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[ashwin]

the way i see it, america and its allies aren't really sure on what they want. whether they want to actually rid the world of terrorism, or to confirm themselves as the world's superpowers, the civilized part of the world.

if anything, bombing the crap out of third-world countries and treating all muslims (or infact any dark person with facial hair) with outmost caution is egging them on any further. the US & co. have mislead public opinion to such an extent that these ppl are seen as freaks of nature. cmon what the hell do u expect, that they'll lie down and take it all?

these ppl aren't fighting mindlessly, they feel oppressed by the western world. they have no way to make america listen to them. they have no way to make anyone understand their views. so they are forced to "terrorise".

im telling u, to stop these attacks is simple and straight forward. put ur hands up and admit to ur mistakes. dont try to establish urselves as world greats, and treat them like fellow human beings. they wont have a reason to attack.

its quite sad that these polititians value image more than their own citizen's lives.

this book, is an another pathetic attempt to ruin islam's image.

 

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[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
When you get to Hell, say hello to the guy masturbating in Alex Samatar's shoe.

I didn't realize you were "bi-"shoe, Pado.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by ashwin ] ++
the way i see it, america and its allies aren't really sure on what they want. whether they want to actually rid the world of terrorism, or to confirm themselves as the world's superpowers, the civilized part of the world.

Oh, make no mistake. There are people in think tanks here in America who think of nothing but how to stay king of the hill and to knock anyone off who tries to challenge that -- economically or militarily. I'd argue that the current White House knows exactly what they want: stay #1, stay wealthy (probably terrorism's biggest threat), and export a U.S.-friendly version of democracy on every uncertain corner of the world.

if anything, bombing the crap out of third-world countries and treating all muslims (or infact any dark person with facial hair) with outmost caution is egging them on any further. the US & co. have mislead public opinion to such an extent that these ppl are seen as freaks of nature. cmon what the hell do u expect, that they'll lie down and take it all?

these ppl aren't fighting mindlessly, they feel oppressed by the western world. they have no way to make america listen to them. they have no way to make anyone understand their views. so they are forced to "terrorise".

I don't quite agree with that. Largely because there's a lot of unrealistic motivation there that cannot be explained away with logic in any traditional sense of the civilized world. Some psycho Christians here in the U.S. want to get the Temple Mount into Jewish hands to bring about Rapture, and they are no less senseless believers without rational motivation than any terrorist is.

There are a lot of people who see terrorism as a way to not so much win or achieve anything realistic, but rather to merely strike back in a destructive manner. Much like defacing art or a public monument. There's a certain idolatry that they are out to destroy, even if no logical person would ever believe they have an Allah's chance in Mecca of succeeding.

The problem is that we have allied policies that are fanning the flames of hate and helping sign up martyrs more than ever... and a deluded population of would-be terrorists who can never have any more success in their cause other than provoking debate -- not realizing they are just the other side of the same coin of evil in the world.

 

[- vOnAm -]

I think its a big Marketing SCAM, The book is bound to make good sales, as word will go around and MANY MUSLIMS WILL WANT TO READ IT FOR THEMSELVES.
It has the potential.

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Not many non-muslims have read the Hadith I take it.

What's that suppose to mean?

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


Oh, make no mistake. There are people in think tanks here in America who think of nothing but how to stay king of the hill and to knock anyone off who tries to challenge that -- economically or militarily. I'd argue that the current White House knows exactly what they want: stay #1, stay wealthy (probably terrorism's biggest threat), and export a U.S.-friendly version of democracy on every uncertain corner of the world.

Anybody ever read

CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN by JOHN PERKINS

Good perspective read for anyothers here who are confident that the US has been nothing but help to the World and Developing countries.

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


I didn't realize you were "bi-"shoe, Pado.

No chance of that. You know I'm not that guy with Samatar's shoe, as I don't envision myself in Hell. I see a firey end at the crematorium and then nothingness.

 

[- vOnAm -]

Come to think of it though, the statement reported on the ABC.net.au website could have devastating effects, literally world war 3.

America went into Iraq claiming there were weapons of mass destruction and that it indangered the world paticularly their Homeland. That was the justification, although it wasn't clearly proven.

Now, this Mr. Tancredo is speaking publicly about bombing Islamic Holy sites? Wouldn't it mean terrorists and even Islamic Nations now have Justification (much more so than US in Iraq) to attack the US at all costs? Seeing that the US (actually Mr. Tancredo) pose a clear danger to their society and existance? Noting also the fact that the US has the largest percentage of weapons of mass destruction in the world. This would be a very dangerous idea, but I fear that the statements could prove to be this fatal.

Truly the dumbest statement anybody could have said, more so a politician.

 

[Slagathor]

Was it Nostradamus who said: "The third great war will come in the 21st century and will be very different than its two predecessors. It will not spare any people."

If you ask me; Nostradamus (with his use of the word "people" rather than "nation") was talking about global terrorism increasing. The only likely option at this point in time.

 

[Mr. Gol]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++
Come to think of it though, the statement reported on the ABC.net.au website could have devastating effects, literally world war 3.

America went into Iraq claiming there were weapons of mass destruction and that it indangered the world paticularly their Homeland. That was the justification, although it wasn't clearly proven.

Now, this Mr. Tancredo is speaking publicly about bombing Islamic Holy sites? Wouldn't it mean terrorists and even Islamic Nations now have Justification (much more so than US in Iraq) to attack the US at all costs? Seeing that the US (actually Mr. Tancredo) pose a clear danger to their society and existance? Noting also the fact that the US has the largest percentage of weapons of mass destruction in the world. This would be a very dangerous idea, but I fear that the statements could prove to be this fatal.

Truly the dumbest statement anybody could have said, more so a politician.

I couldn't believe the ignorance as well. If the US continues to attack countries and/or people without proper motication they will encourage potential terrorists to hate them. The message everyone is spreading is that you can't attack innocent people, yet a US senator says just that. Hopefully these statements will fade away unnoticed.

 

[Maresca]

because of these stupid peoples there are terrorists in the world.....

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Maresca78 ] ++
because of these stupid peoples there are terrorists in the world.....

What do you mean?

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


What do you mean?

I mean most of the Islamic people think that the western world is trying to destroy islam and islamic countries. And if they see such a book, some of them(Stupid and uneducated ones) get angry and use terrorism to get revenge...

 

[madlawyer1]

I don't know much about Islam, but from the little I do know, I know that all that dude wrote is a buncha crap. Nuff said.

 

[Respaul]

Back to the book...

All you that are slagging this book off... Have any of you actually read it ??

Or you jus going by the synopsis and a few readers comments ??

Personally i dont think this book is exactly what most of you seem to think it is...

 

[- vOnAm -]

++ [ originally posted by Maresca78 ] ++


I mean most of the Islamic people think that the western world is trying to destroy islam and islamic countries. And if they see such a book, some of them(Stupid and uneducated ones) get angry and use terrorism to get revenge...

Thats true, many muslims here in Indonesia get easily provoked because most of them are uneducated and have never met a foriegner before, or been friends with one.
It was shocking for me the first time I came back to this country how much these people think they know about the US and its people. I despise the government too, but since I've been there I know how compasionate many citizens in the US are.

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Back to the book...

All you that are slagging this book off... Have any of you actually read it ??

Or you jus going by the synopsis and a few readers comments ??

Personally i dont think this book is exactly what most of you seem to think it is...

Have you read the book? I am reading as of this momment and its not going too good. It is far biased IMO, as many of his sources and quotes are interpretated only how he wants it. As if to feed his own hunger.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

I had just read the book and i concur pretty much with Vonam.

Is easy to see thar the author has not only a very small criteria but a distorted sense of Islam.

Not worth reading it....

 

[madlawyer1]

Geoge W. Bush led America to war in Iraq claiming that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, that he was in cahoots with Osama bin Laden, and that he was going to use his weapons on the America. He got Colin Powell show the United Nations Security Council with some fancy computer graphics that could have come out of any Play Station 2 game's design engine. And Tony Blair played lapdog to Bush throughout, and presented a British analysis of Saddam's threat.

Now, more than two years after, they have found no weapons of mass destruction. The British analysis was discovered to be no more than a fictional dissertation of some professor who mysteriously died soon after the discovery was made. We found out that rather than Osama and Saddam being the close friends Bush claimed they were, they actually hated each other with a passion, and Osama had even called on the faithful to get rid of Saddam.

America and Britain went into Iraq, and defeated the people with weapons and organisation. The Iraqi army scattered, and America, like any true conqueror settled down to enjoy the spoils of war. And that's when the trouble started.

Like the Germans found out in France and other countries, when you invade another man's country and presume to treat him like a slave or serf, as a second or third class citizen, he doesn't take it very well. In fact, he's downright pissed.

If the Iraqis were fighting another enemy hostile to America, Bush would hail them as "freedom fighters", but since they are fighting America, they are called "terrorists".

It is very likely that some people who have had beef with America for a while have taken advantage of the chaos to further their own personal aims, and so the occupation forces are having a really rough time of it since they now have to worry about every Arab national not just the Iraqis.

I have a brother in London, and since the bombs went off, I haven't had a decent night's rest. I'm sick with worry that the next bomb might get him, but I'm not mad at the people setting off the bombs. I'm mad at the idiotic governments that force people to the end of their rope and look confused that they wont just lie down and accept their new status as slaves. I'm mad at the fools running these "superpowers" who seem unable to fathom why the man whose house they "accidentally" bombed and killed his four year old son has taken up arms against them. I'm no supporter of "terrorists" but we should remember this: Violence begets violence.

My only advice to them is that they stop targeting civilians, and go after the rulers.

 

[Zlatan]

Completely agree with madlawyer. One man's trerrorists are another man's heroes.

Why shouldnt an Iraqi whose wife and children got killed by an rouge tomahawk or on an US military check point or indeed in any other way caused by the US not see them as terrorists? What, because they are better equiped and have uniforms? Many here make the argument that the coalition forces don't intend to kill civilians, it happenes by accident. So what? They are dead anyway. It doesn't change the fact that an Iraqi children will be fatherless, or that families will be broken up. It was an accident, so what? Will that bring the dead back?

Fact is, that America consideres everyone elses lives expendable compared to their own. To them, 100 american soldiers are more important than 10.000 Irawqi civilians.

Terrorsim is in the eye of the befolder.

 

[Mr. Gol]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
To them, 100 american soldiers are more important than 10.000 Irawqi civilians.

Very well said. This is basicly the entire problem in one sentence.

 

[madlawyer1]

indeed, Mr. Gol. Hence they indiscriminately destroy homes and lives in the name of looking for "terrorists"

 

[Chxta]

Different view points. I am sure the Westerners here will strongly disagree with the 4 views preceeding this...

Well, when you are fighting a war, be prepared for any tactics!