This is just sick.. (9 Viewers)

[Modo Bianconero]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
plastic knife?

by the way i am just glad u said tht coz thts proog tht some people read my posts.. i am glad you do just dont lookd to deep into them .. and sometimes dont take them seriously ...


ps. i jsut figured plastic knifwe wuld hurt more

 

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++ [ originally posted by Modo Bianconero ] ++


by the way i am just glad u said tht coz thts proog tht some people read my posts.. i am glad you do just dont lookd to deep into them .. and sometimes dont take them seriously ...


ps. i jsut figured plastic knifwe wuld hurt more

I beat you to it..

 

[Modo Bianconero]

++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++


I'm sure the beheading would be much more painful with a plastic knife, yes..

hehe nawaf .. great minds think like wht .... i thought it wuld be more painful too but when i thought into it i dont think it wuld work... or wuld it !!!!

 

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++ [ originally posted by Modo Bianconero ] ++


hehe nawaf .. great minds think like wht .... i thought it wuld be more painful too but when i thought into it i dont think it wuld work... or wuld it !!!!

It'd work..


















Eventually.. :devil:

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
Different view points. I am sure the Westerners here will strongly disagree with the 4 views preceeding this...

Well, when you are fighting a war, be prepared for any tactics!

Exactly. You could very well say that terrorism is a tactic.

 

[Modo Bianconero]

hehehe i doubt i ll be tht patient why not just use a steak knife tht wuld get really messy

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Exactly. You could very well say that terrorism is a tactic.

Not a nice one, but a tactic nevertheless...

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

I frankly disagree with the acceptance of fundamentalist Terrorism as a war tactic because, basically, isnt ruled by war laws and conventions and commonly the victims are not soldiers but civilians.
Also, it is dissgusting hear that "it depends on the viewer side",oh yeah, when it involves the death and suffering of third parties, innocent people that are totally marginal to the political, religious or social confict involved.

The great shame is that terrorism has become a new constant in the equation of human life.

And sadly, mankind is stepping back, at least from an ethical point of view..

 

[- vOnAm -]

Terrorism is definately an unacceptable means of waging war, but then again, how clear can we define boundaries (rules) of WAR?

Can we say the US was waging a war based on these boundaries?

Like Zlatan said, America seems to think the lives of 100 US Soldiers is more valuable than 10.000 Iraqi citizens, that in itself is a violation IMO. As the US then don't take extra precautions to ensure that citizens don't get hurt.

But then again, if the US really tried to separate civilians from soldiers and took extra precautions, they probably would not have succeeded. Instead they rather use bombardment tactics and let their soldiers only ensure that the resistance were whipped out.

In this sense it isn't much different from Terrorist attacks. Surely if terrorist try to get the rulers/government with thinkning about civilian safety. then their chances are far less of success, such as the attacks in th US.

The bombings in London however, is not like such attacks as its done in a very public place where government and those incharge will not likely be.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

Its a very trying time for us Muslims; for us who absolutely do not condone such terrorist attacks but are treated as if we are responsible for it.

Nevertheless, I've always believed that an eye for an eye when it comes to violence leads only to more violence. All it takes is for one to stop, and think of an alternative to find a solution.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Not many non-muslims have read the Hadith I take it.

Care to elaborate? Didnt really catch your meaning..

 

[- vOnAm -]

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++


Care to elaborate? Didnt really catch your meaning..

Been wondering the same thing...

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Completely agree with madlawyer. One man's trerrorists are another man's heroes.

Why shouldnt an Iraqi whose wife and children got killed by an rouge tomahawk or on an US military check point or indeed in any other way caused by the US not see them as terrorists? What, because they are better equiped and have uniforms? Many here make the argument that the coalition forces don't intend to kill civilians, it happenes by accident. So what? They are dead anyway. It doesn't change the fact that an Iraqi children will be fatherless, or that families will be broken up. It was an accident, so what? Will that bring the dead back?

Fact is, that America consideres everyone elses lives expendable compared to their own. To them, 100 american soldiers are more important than 10.000 Irawqi civilians.

Terrorsim is in the eye of the befolder.

the same goes to the Israel -palestina case..

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++


Care to elaborate? Didnt really catch your meaning..

I mean that what these Islamic terrorists are preaching is pretty much in line with what's contained in the Hadith. No room for contexts and interpetations to me. And I don't want to start a debate on it, sorry.

 

[- vOnAm -]

Ahh, well I'm sorry that you take it that way...
I hope not many others are like you as will continue coz understanding others fail.

I really am sorry for you to be thinking that way, you have no idea what you are talking about. No room for context? Interpretation? And you get your sources from?

Well since I know we won't debate about this, I'll just repeat again that neither Craig Winn nor Kaiser Franco know what they are talking about.
Islam with it's many rules is still pretty much an open book, like a poem to its reader. And there is never any such teaching in Islam to be aggresive and attack other people no matter what their religion or ethnic is.

But similarly Islam has always ENCOURAGED muslims to fight intruders and those who invade.
There can be different interpetations of that situation.

 

[swag]

There were people who interpreted the Christian bible as justified cause for the Crusades. Clearly anything is possible when left open to interpretation.

 

[- vOnAm -]

yes swag, unfortunately, regardless of the religion, there are people who misinterpretes.

its really sad for me to see such mis understanding yet somehow I understand.
Back when I grew up in the Bay Area, I thought the world was perfect, that good honest people will always do good things, they will never give in to what is generally considered as bad. And that people who commit crimes are bad terrible people. That may still be true in the US.

But having grown up in a developing country I see just how much a person's environment really changes their behaviour and perception. No matter how good hearted a person once was.

 

[Tom]

and thats why the world would be a better place without religion.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
and thats why the world would be a better place without religion.

What would you have instead? You can't just take away people's belief system without substituting something else.. religion exists because people need it.

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++
Have you read the book? I am reading as of this momment and its not going too good. It is far biased IMO, as many of his sources and quotes are interpretated only how he wants it. As if to feed his own hunger.

Yes... I reviewed it on behalf of a company i work for sometime ago...

In doing so i cross referenced all his quotes with the established translations of the required source material.. I also spent time with one of the most respected muslim leaders in this country... Who like me didnt really have a problem with the book...

I have certain issues with the writer, with the lack of balancing views (something common to pretty much any subject media - theres not a book in existence that is balanced, everyone favours one side of the coin and as such is not really a criticism jus an observation) and with the time of release... but the book itself i have little issue with... It raised some interesting points... When looked at as a whole rather than at face value it is a worthwhile work...

And yes.. ive read the qu'ran, the bible, various Talmud , hadith, Ishaq's Sira, Tabari's History. bhudhist , seikh, hindu, judain texts , the likes of Sejarah Melayu etc etc.. the works of goldziher, schracht, wansbrough etc etc

Now you can sit there and say what you like about my opinion on this... But i know i have read and understood most of the worlds religious texts and my opinion on this book has been accepted by someone that knows more about islam than you do... So your acceptance.. I do not require...