Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (188 Viewers)

[4ndr3i]

We’re literally the only top team that rotates the way we did in these past months. We have players that play 2 games, then hit the bench for 2 months than suddenly they start again. He even rotated the captains like crazy.

Bro, Hansi Flick also has half his team injured while also being bankrupt and in year one. Stop all these experiments so we at least start looking like a cohesive team.

 

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[Stevie]

We’re literally the only top team that rotates the way we did in these past months. We have players that play 2 games, then hit the bench for 2 months than suddenly they start again. He even rotated the captains like crazy.

Bro, Hansi Flick also has half his team injured while also being bankrupt and in year one. Stop all these experiments so we at least start looking like a cohesive team.

Allegri also liked to rotate alot.

It might be more to do with the fact our players are always exhausted due to the training methods and lifestyle that's part of JJs culture and aren't capable of playing consistently @DAiDEViL

 

[Gigiventus]

Cambiaso had his worst match for the club tonight, him giving the ball away every 3 passes put us on the backfoot. Not being able to rely on his vision and creativity meant that we were weak going forward for most of the match.

With Cambiaso playing so poorly we needed more technical players on the field. McKennie, Thuram, and Weah are simply not technical enough to be all playing together in this situation.

Fagioli, Yildz, Koop, Nico are needed. We can't be that reliant on Cambiaso.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

There's not much that can be done with the squad now, but it's time for him to try something a little bit different with what he has.

That would mean more experimenting. Nah. We have to recognize the squad lacks depth and losing Bremer made what was up to that point a solid defense turn into a free for all shooting contest between blinds but start your fucking best available players for once and stick with it.

Yildiz just had possibly the best game of his career so far and gets benched. And Danilo should only be used as a last resort if there's no one else. He looks finished mentally and physically.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Ferrara vibes.

 

[Vlad]

That would mean more experimenting. Nah. We have to recognize the squad lacks depth and losing Bremer made what was up to that point a solid defense turn into a free for all shooting contest between blinds but start your fucking best available players for once and stick with it.

Yildiz just had possibly the best game of his career so far and gets benched. And Danilo should only be used as a last resort if there's no one else. He looks finished mentally and physically.

I swear, Id ask Chiellini to come out of retirement before playing Danilo again

 

[Xperd]

He rightfully gets some slack because we are clearly rebuilding but the results and performances are miles off where we should be at the moment.

But I'm confident that Allegri with this squad and with those fixtures would be on more points. And no that is not a comment to praise Allegri or defend him or say that we were wrong/want him back. It is a benchmark to the last point we can judge Motta against. The key difference is that with Allegri we were going nowhere with terrible football and was rightfully dismissed. It's still too early to fully judge but there will be a point where Motta needs to show that the dip in results will be worth it in the long run.

Why? If Allegro was given three years and produced nothing, why should Motta be judged for a mere 2.5 months?

It doesn't really matter if Allegri would hypothetically be on more points or not and that isn't any kind of benchmark. There's too many variables involved here. He got sacked because he had us play like a relegation level team since the start of this year both in terms of football AND results. End of.

Seems there are still many people that cannot look past supposed 'legends' of the past. Very Ratcafe level takes.

 

[campionesidd]

He rightfully gets some slack because we are clearly rebuilding but the results and performances are miles off where we should be at the moment.

But I'm confident that Allegri with this squad and with those fixtures would be on more points. And no that is not a comment to praise Allegri or defend him or say that we were wrong/want him back. It is a benchmark to the last point we can judge Motta against. The key difference is that with Allegri we were going nowhere with terrible football and was rightfully dismissed. It's still too early to fully judge but there will be a point where Motta needs to show that the dip in results will be worth it in the long run.

Not really a fair comparison. Allegri had continuity going into last season.
His first season in his second stint we had a disastrous start- way worse than this one. We had 15 points from our first 11 games.

 

[Boksic]

Why? If Allegro was given three years and produced nothing, why should Motta be judged for a mere 2.5 months?

It doesn't really matter if Allegri would hypothetically be on more points or not and that isn't any kind of benchmark. There's too many variables involved here. He got sacked because he had us play like a relegation level team since the start of this year both in terms of football AND results. End of.

Seems there are still many people that cannot look past supposed 'legends' of the past. Very Ratcafe level takes.

Seems like you wanted to write this without really reading my post.

I even say "it's still too early to judge" Motta. I also say that the reference to Allegri is purely as a benchmark as he was the last coach and that we played terrible football and were going nowhere. I also say that it is not a post to defend/praise him.

Not really a fair comparison. Allegri had continuity going into last season.
His first season in his second stint we had a disastrous start- way worse than this one. We had 15 points from our first 11 games.

Yeah it's not a like for like comparison, I agree. And it I completely subjective. But the results at home against this level opposition are miles off where we should be.

 

[juve123]

Not really a fair comparison. Allegri had continuity going into last season.
His first season in his second stint we had a disastrous start- way worse than this one. We had 15 points from our first 11 games.

And this is definitely looks like a weaker squad for me than last season.We have not replaced Chiesa and Rabiot .

 

[campionesidd]

And this is definitely looks like a weaker squad for me than last season.We have not replaced Chiesa and Rabiot .

It’s a stronger squad when fit, but we have some key players missing or returning from injury. So we need to focus on bringing in depth in the next couple of windows.

 

[Vlad]

And this is definitely looks like a weaker squad for me than last season.We have not replaced Chiesa and Rabiot .

Imo Chico is having a better season so far that what Chiesa had offered since recovery. Koop replaces Rabiot, needs to stay healthy. Our defense without Bremer is a lot weaker.

 

[Xperd]

Seems like you wanted to write this without really reading my post.

I even say "it's still too early to judge" Motta. I also say that the reference to Allegri is purely as a benchmark as he was the last coach and that we played terrible football and were going nowhere. I also say that it is not a post to defend/praise him.

But there was really no need to bring Allegri in this conversation was there? We are talking two completely different situations here.

This is not particularly directed at you but when something goes wrong, I've seen folks constantly bringing up Allegri or Marotta in their conversations like we can't do any better.

This is no different to people wanting Lippi and Moggi back when Marotta was busy buying Jorge Martinez, Rinaudo etc and have JJ finish 7th.

My point is we need to move on from past 'legends'. We have hired talented people with a solid track record to take us back to the top again. Some of the criticism is extreme and unjustified when we haven't even reached half way point in the season.

 

[campionesidd]

But there was really no need to bring Allegri in this conversation was there? We are talking two completely different situations here.

This is not particularly directed at you but when something goes wrong, I've seen folks constantly bringing up Allegri or Marotta in their conversations like we can't do any better.

This is no different to people wanting Lippi and Moggi back when Marotta was busy buying Jorge Martinez, Rinaudo etc and have JJ finish 7th.

My point is we need to move on from past 'legends'. We have hired talented people with a solid track record to take us back to the top again. Some of the criticism is extreme and unjustified when we haven't even reached half way point in the season.

And then you have a couple of posters who shall not be named who just poison the conversation by being negative for no reason.

 

[Boksic]

But there was really no need to bring Allegri in this conversation was there? We are talking two completely different situations here.

This is not particularly directed at you but when something goes wrong, I've seen folks constantly bringing up Allegri or Marotta in their conversations like we can't do any better.

This is no different to people wanting Lippi and Moggi back when Marotta was busy buying Jorge Martinez, Rinaudo etc and have JJ finish 7th.

My point is we need to move on from past 'legends'. We have hired talented people with a solid track record to take us back to the top again. Some of the criticism is extreme and unjustified when we haven't even reached half way point in the season.

Why not? Seems ridiculous that you can't compare managers the same way we compare sporting directors or past players. There is a weird attitude with Allegri on here where people jump on top of any post that mentions him.

Also seems ridiculous that we can't critique our new manager and whether we want to mention him or not, Allegri is the predecessor and last season will be the benchmark for Motta. Same way as Sarri/Pirlo, Pirlo/Allegri in their first seasons etc.

It is 100% too early to make sweeping judgements about Motta. But that doesn't mean he can't get criticism and you can't talk about the results or decisions he makes. This isn't Bologna where he will almost get a free pass on his first season. He's implemented a lot very quickly (a lot of it very positive) and deserves credit for that. But as time goes on the results need to improve or the criticism will build and become more valid.

 

[Ventus]

Motta definitely needs more time despite some of his glaring errors. The most frustrating part is that he knows better in most cases but chooses to act otherwise.

 

[Xperd]

Why not? Seems ridiculous that you can't compare managers the same way we compare sporting directors or past players. There is a weird attitude with Allegri on here where people jump on top of any post that mentions him.

Also seems ridiculous that we can't critique our new manager and whether we want to mention him or not, Allegri is the predecessor and last season will be the benchmark for Motta. Same way as Sarri/Pirlo, Pirlo/Allegri in their first seasons etc.

It is 100% too early to make sweeping judgements about Motta. But that doesn't mean he can't get criticism and you can't talk about the results or decisions he makes. This isn't Bologna where he will almost get a free pass on his first season. He's implemented a lot very quickly (a lot of it very positive) and deserves credit for that. But as time goes on the results need to improve or the criticism will build and become more valid.

It is ridiculous because you are comparing based on hypothetical situations. 'If Allegri had the same squad, we'd have more points right now'.

Last season being the benchmark for Motta will only make sense if we finish the season to make an accurate judgement. At the end of the day, where we finish in the league table is what matters most. With Motta, hopefully we can achieve some sort of continuity with our football which we lacked under Allegri.

You can definitely be critical of the coach and I'm in agreement with you especially with his selections or the fact that we are cut open so easily but bringing up hypothetical scenarios to how Allegri would've done in the same situation is not relevant and makes zero sense.

The weird attitude is from Allegri's fans who can't keep his name out of their mouths and are very clearly struggling to move on from him.

Motta doesn't get a free pass but as long as he makes top 4, it will still be considered an acceptable first season. Bremer injury killed our hopes of any possible silverware or title aspirations this season.

 

[Vlad]

His biggest test will be how he will handle the pressure in a big club as fans and media have big expectations, no matter the factors like injuries. Pressure will start pilling up. I hope players remain focused and he doesnt lose their confidence or changes his approach to play it more safe. We need to start getting few good results asap. Udinese, Lille and Torino are next.

 

[iosono.bianconero]

His biggest test will be how he will handle the pressure in a big club as fans and media have big expectations, no matter the factors like injuries. Pressure will start pilling up. I hope players remain focused and he doesnt lose their confidence or changes his approach to play it more safe. We need to start getting few good results asap. Udinese, Lille and Torino are next.

After the last three games and the way we played suddenly Udinese,Lille and Torino seem like almost imposible to get a win here.

 

[Boksic]

It is ridiculous because you are comparing based on hypothetical situations. 'If Allegri had the same squad, we'd have more points right now'.

Last season being the benchmark for Motta will only make sense if we finish the season to make an accurate judgement. At the end of the day, where we finish in the league table is what matters most. With Motta, hopefully we can achieve some sort of continuity with our football which we lacked under Allegri.

You can definitely be critical of the coach and I'm in agreement with you especially with his selections or the fact that we are cut open so easily but bringing up hypothetical scenarios to how Allegri would've done in the same situation is not relevant and makes zero sense.

The weird attitude is from Allegri's fans who can't keep his name out of their mouths and are very clearly struggling to move on from him.

Motta doesn't get a free pass but as long as he makes top 4, it will still be considered an acceptable first season. Bremer injury killed our hopes of any possible silverware or title aspirations this season.

I don't see a problem with it. It is an opinion based on what we are seeing. Every football comparison is based on a hypothetical e.g. people often compare players in different teams, that play different tactics/roles. Very rarely are 2 situations identical. You shouldn't have to wait until the end of the season to make a comparison. As I said before it is too early to fully judge Motta and the more time goes on, the more we can.

This is nothing about being a fan of Allegri or not. Just because someone mentions him doesn't mean that they can't move on or feel the need to constantly mention him (I'm pretty sure this was the only positive post I have made about him in quite some time). As I said before whether people like it or not, comparisons will be made to last season because it is the last point in time before a change. It is a natural thing to compare to.

Either way, I'm happy to agree to disagree and avoid spamming the thread.