Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (198 Viewers)

[Salvo]

It's not a surprise that it's not quite working yet. I will be worried if halfway through the season we have the same issues. We still haven't worked the balance out. Not enough bodies getting into the box, a bit too static in that last third. I'm willing to give it some time.

 

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[mondo1]

It's not a surprise that it's not quite working yet. I will be worried if halfway through the season we have the same issues. We still haven't worked the balance out. Not enough bodies getting into the box, a bit too static in that last third. I'm willing to give it some time.

It’s still crazy to see that we can’t create a decent chance after spending 200 million on wingers and midfielders (supposedly the best in Assists + goals)


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[Lion]

If implementing game plan takes time , why did he only play 3 pre season friendlies

 

[Ventus]

We've been in that time zone for years now. We clearly have much more talent upfront than before but Conceicao is injured and Vlahovic is not helping in any way. Even having Milik fit would be of help now imo...

We've been blaming the manager every year since 2019. It's becoming increasingly apparent, that Marotta was the key to our success. Look at how well Inter have been doing since they got him.

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We're really cursed, when Marrotta was in the charge, we wished to bring Moggi back.

Moggi was mostly wanted before Marotta because of our disastrous signings. Rightfully so, in my opinion. However, the key difference between Marotta and Moggi, was that Moggi was banned from football while Marotta was simply let go and is technically still available.

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What do you by it's time?

We are currently in a 'post Marotta' era. Our success was mostly down to him. It may take a while until we find someone who can turn things around like him. By time, I mean we should accept that our lack of success since 2019 is due to quality of the teams that we've had rather than the managers.

 

[Brny44]

So in tuz standards...inter have 2w 2d 1l with VAR, we have 2w 3d 0l, should inzaghi be sacked? No progress since last season? Marotta did a bad job?

Wait until 19 serie a games and end of group stage in cl.

 

[Bjerknes]

It's not a surprise that it's not quite working yet. I will be worried if halfway through the season we have the same issues. We still haven't worked the balance out. Not enough bodies getting into the box, a bit too static in that last third. I'm willing to give it some time.

Absolutely. It’s promising we haven’t conceded yet. It always takes time to figure out the goals, so once we do it could all come together.

We still look better and more promising than under the last fraud. And he couldn’t even keep the goals out.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We'd have more goals if Vlahovic could finish better or even control a pass. I'm not worried about anything other than we have no alternatives to him

 

[Clamarc]

someone still sucking Inter and Marotta's tits

 

[Amer]

I saw no real gameplan going forward in most of our tougher games so far and no plan B. Shots on goal - rare.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I don't understand football these days.

I guess we're still implementing that gameplan 3 months after the coach arrived.

What are we implementing exactly, can someone explain to me?

 

[Juve92]

If you want to blame someone, blame Cuntoli

 

[Suns]

Coincidentally I've watched 3 games this season and in each of those games we've scored 3 goals and everything looked wonderful. So in my head everything is still amazing offensively

 

[Amer]

Coincidentally I've watched 3 games this season and in each of those games we've scored 3 goals and everything looked wonderful. So in my head everything is still amazing offensively

We had 1 shot on target against Roma and 1 against Napoli.

 

[piotrr]

Coincidentally I've watched 3 games this season and in each of those games we've scored 3 goals and everything looked wonderful. So in my head everything is still amazing offensively

Why the fuck you didn't watch our other games?

 

[MikeM]

I saw no real gameplan going forward in most of our tougher games so far and no plan B. Shots on goal - rare.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I don't understand football these days.

I guess we're still implementing that gameplan 3 months after the coach arrived.

What are we implementing exactly, can someone explain to me?

Most of our movements are designed for ball possession and to circulate the ball vs a press.

Alot of the construction phase is effective with our backline moving in unconventional ways.

However, when Cambiaso comes unto DM to break a press and it works, that's great BUT that means there's no one to work the flank with Yildiz.

The CM will rotate onto the sideline so sometimes we'll have 5 players back circulating the ball when you should have 5 players across the opponents backline.

But the fullbacks moving into DM also stops counters. It's easier to be countered when Cambiaso is flying off Yildizs shoulder at the corner flag. It's also easier for us to score though..

Motta is a very defensive coach. More than Allegri IMO. HOWEVER, he is actually defending properly. We press high to win the ball, we value possession of the ball, our wingers sacrifice to help the defence.

In that sense, I'm pleased with these tactics because deep down, even though I'm a meme lover, I know the best thing is to keep the ball and not allow goals.

What I can tell so far is everything is fine except the ability to score on parked busses. But then again our #9 is anonymous.

I think to beat the buses, you need Yildiz closer to Vlaho and Cambiaso more in Yildiz's spot. But that solution is too aggressive for Motta so far.

 

[juve123]

Juventus is second to last in SerieA for xG (4.23, 6 goals scored). It's wrong to say a blunt attack, you have that if you finish badly like Cagliari (1 goal against 7 expected) or Roma (5 scored, 8.95 expected). Juve's problem is the same as in previous years, in creating chances. (@armagio)

 

[GjergjKastrioti]

Hi all, i am a new member here, but an old member reading Tuz Forum since many many years.

About Motta: In my opinion he did a good job til now - don't forget we made changes during the summer, but Koop, Gonzalez, Kalulu and Conceicao arrived very late + the National brake, so he had the complete squad just 3 weeks ago. I think as soon as he delivers to find the best way of using these players, especially Koop and Douglas Luiz, than we will see a huge rise of Quality. Defense as it is now is brutally good - i never have had a feeling of conceding til now.

What worries me is that Mc'Kennie started already 2 times (without teampreparation during the summer) as he was considered to be in the exchange deal with Douglas Luiz - so wtf happened that we start someone who we wanted to exchange plus splash about 50 million and this purchase is benched by the "lesser worth" and "not needed" player. DL has to be solved and i hope not that we get the same issue like the Arthurs etc....

 

[Suns]

Why the fuck you didn't watch our other games?

Fake fanned that shit

 

[s4tch]

Juventus is second to last in SerieA for xG (4.23, 6 goals scored). It's wrong to say a blunt attack, you have that if you finish badly like Cagliari (1 goal against 7 expected) or Roma (5 scored, 8.95 expected). Juve's problem is the same as in previous years, in creating chances. (@armagio)

sample size is still too small but this is one of those cases when xg is actually meaningful. interpreting it over the course of the season is much more useful than talking about it after individual matches

yeah vlahovic missed a few chances which isn't great. but we should be much more effective in creating those chances

and there's still no guarantee that we'll score the chances. last season we created ~54 gx and scored just as many goals. inda overscored their xg with 11 goals, milan and fiorentina with 10, atalanta with 15. they were much more clinical than jj. that's easily our biggest weakness of the last few seasons. no wonder we bought so many attack minded players - too bad it takes time to make them click

 

[Alin]

Juventus is second to last in SerieA for xG (4.23, 6 goals scored). It's wrong to say a blunt attack, you have that if you finish badly like Cagliari (1 goal against 7 expected) or Roma (5 scored, 8.95 expected). Juve's problem is the same as in previous years, in creating chances. (@armagio)

That is actually relevant to the overall perception of fans in regards to the improvements in the final third thus far, rather hateful of you to bring up objective stats into discussion here lol

 

[Lion]

We'd have more goals if Vlahovic could finish better or even control a pass. I'm not worried about anything other than we have no alternatives to him

here is the issue. if the solution is to cross/pass to vlahovic/replacement and inshallah a goal, then even if he starts producing harry kane like numbers, juventus will still struggle because teams will just man mark vlahovic. and situation will be be back to what we saw last 3 matches.

the better solution would be to have midfielders and wingers that run into the box instead of waiting outside. you know like teams like madrid, city and bayern deploy. even under conte's very diciplined 3-5-2 when juve had mediocre strikers you had mids and wingbacks getting into the box to score goals. i haven't seen this with motta.