Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (119 Viewers)

[Amer]

So what you are saying is his style is all over the place

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Ain't no shame in losing to bavarians.

But Dutch total footie style... Damn...

Sounds also like a sex and fetish thing...

 

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[Scottish]

Its easier to change a coach than a roster, so there you go. Motta is nothing out of the ordinary right now so show him the door and lets end this circus, once again.

Even worse we already did change the squad big time. We brought in players who were performing to a high level. It's mid January and nothing is working. None of them magically forgot how to play football, they're being told to play a style they're not suited for.

Even fucking stubborn ass conte started off insisting on his 424 before adapting to the squad and...as if by magic it worked! If Motta can't adapt he needs to go. Just because he's refusing to change doesn't mean the rest of the club needs to

 

[DAiDEViL]

But Dutch total footie style... Damn...

Sounds also like a sex and fetish thing...

Watching old Ajax VHS tapes, wearing wooden shoes and eating cheese in your caravan - throw a hooker and a joint into the mix and it's a good dutch evening @U Picciriddu

 

[juve123]

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

It's just Osman scounting Luxembourg seconda division for us and explaing to us back in June that Motta's style is combo of barca possession/Dutch total footie style mixed Italian tactical balance and bit of Gasperini/German type team pressing.

Wow.

Just wow.

I want to hear more.

Is it only Osman or most of us overhyped Motta system?

 

[Amer]

Is it only Osman or most of us overhyped Motta system?

Just go back and read what some other posters wrote.

You're gonna be blown away.

 

[Lion]

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

It's just Osman scounting Luxembourg seconda division for us and explaing to us back in June that Motta's style is combo of barca possession/Dutch total footie style mixed Italian tactical balance and bit of Gasperini/German type team pressing.

Wow.

Just wow.

I want to hear more.

Thanks.

Now the whole world sees what a fraud osman is.

Shame on him

 

[juve123]

Hopefully he is as good as our last Motta

Finally some excitement to watch Juve.

Welcome Thiago

I have a feeling we might finally enjoy watching this team again.

I'm pretty curious to see how he goes about implementing his system. Whether he will ease into or just go fresh new ideas with the teething pains that come from it straight away.

I think he needs to make the changes early and push through any issues that may arise and we should be prepared for that as well. This team is desperate for new ideas.

It is always different at a big club, the patience is not there but I hope he doesn't go into his shell or be too conservative. Being a player that has played at the top level and been successful you'd hope he doesn't.


I wonder if he will look to the center backs to be his extra mids or whether he will do it with his fullbacks. With our players, assuming Danilo and Cambiaso are starting I think it would reallt work well if they join in the midfield when we have the ball. Especially Cambiaso (I think he has the potential to really have a great season and establish himself properly)

I do hope he goes for a 4 2 3 1 or at the very least a 4 3 3 but it will depend on who we get and who we lose. I'm really excited for once about pre season just to see how we look.

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Not sure what you mean. My point is that while Motta is fairly inexperienced as a coach, compared to Pirlo he has had the chance to hone is ideas and put them into practice. In PSG youth, in Spezia, in Genoa and in Bologna. Learn how to communicate those ideas into players, convince them about these ideas and fine tune and adapt the ideas. Pirlo has zero (experience) in the bag and couldn't distill anything to anyone. Not even the staff could understand him. Motta has also two teams that he really struggled (maybe partially because of him?), those are good experiences to have for managing a group that is in a rut (how to deal with motivation). In Genoa he failed but anything else would have been a surprise. A good personal experience to learn from. In Spezia he managed to turn the it around and did really well in a challenging environment (impending transfer bans etcetera). In Bologna he took over from Mihajlovic - difficult circumstances and good experiences on how to manage a group again, especially on a personal level. Yet managed to improve Bologna immediately and aid them well above what everyone expected. Then continued to improve the next season and did even better. Not sure why they lost their form toward the end of the season though, iirc they drew a lot.

What I look forward to learn more about next season is how tactically flexible he is. If things aren't working in a game (or the overall form), does he change anything tactically or does he just change players because he is hell bent in his idea or the idea doesn't allow flexibility. Allegri used to be tactically flexible and able to transfer his determination and grinta into players. Zero ideas on how to play but flexible. In his second stint he had grinta, which he partially transferred, but nothing else. Hardly any tactic yet for some reason stuck in his head. He had two years of paid vacation and came back into a difficult environment with a poorly set up squad. Seems to me that his head was not in the game. Lost the motivation on some beach some years ago.

I hope that Motta brings his philosophy and is able to adapt it to the tools at his disposal and is flexible enough to change details due to circumstances. If he also is a likeable character, he will do well. Because that is my description of Ancelotti.

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He is an adaptable coach (he mixes ideas as mentionned), seems to play balanced possession style, that occasionally explodes with mass attacking movement in opportunist way. So don't expext nonstop waves of attacks, but more of well timed ones exploiting opponents gaps or ball losses.


Is easy to think he is a flexible progressive type coach, so that will mean nonstop attacking football. But that's not really the case. They will pounce on opportunities, but generally stay even keel balanced in playstyle. While still holding alot of the ball. He will be more pragmatic then people expext.



But there's two things I am interested to see with him.


1) can his football and general coaching work in higher pressure big club? (Not the ideas, but the execution)


2) Can his systems build up play even work without Zirkzee type? Which is basically a Firmino type.

 

[juventus4life]

This month, if we draw against Atalanta, Club Brugge, Benfica and go through CL playoffs, should we part way with Motta?

 

[Lion]

He is an adaptable coach

What a fraud osman is. Just like motta

He has me blocked I think. @Amer @DAiDEViL . Can you guys tell him to come here and answer for his crimes above

 

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A lot of questions raised, looks like Osman was most close to home.
He has been given a really difficult hand with so many injuries he can't even have alternatives on the bench. I thought we would press more and higher and I think the reason Koop is playing so high is because he transmits energy and is the leader of the press. He does what Motta wants, but the rest are not there. Our defensive line is still sitting too low even when we press high.
While the start has been utterly terrible, I am not sure we have our answers yet and I did not expect them to be. But I did expect to see a bit more progress being made. The path is unclear.
At the moment it looks like we won't grab a CL spot, but I don't want heads to roll. I want to give him the full year and the final month can indicate if we are making strides or continue to be inconsistent with no indications of embarking on a clearer path.

 

[Amer]

What a fraud osman is. Just like motta

He has me blocked I think. @Amer @DAiDEViL . Can you guys tell him to come here and answer for his crimes above

@Osman is the biggest fraud of this forum since @Xperd, @campionesidd and @Robee defended Giuntoli and his half a billion spending.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Thiago Motta has not responded to Locatelli's request for a meeting, all. Players and Giuntoli

This is not great but I feel like when this stuff starts coming out it's normally from inside the club and normally a firing will follow that.

Yeah, where there’s smoke…

This goes against everything I thought of him initially. He seemed like that likable cool older uncle. Sad.

It’s fair to assume he’s a goner if we fail to get a CL spot. I fear we’ll be stuck on this loop for a while changing coaches every other season. We’ve become post-Ferguson United.

 

[Amer]

Yeah, where there’s smoke…

This goes against everything I thought of him initially. He seemed like that likable cool older uncle. Sad.

It’s fair to assume he’s a goner if we fail to get a CL spot. I fear we’ll be stuck on this loop for a while changing coaches every other season. We’ve become post-Ferguson United.

At least you didn't considered him adaptable coach who mixes ideas like @Osman did.

Phew, you dodged a big one there.

 

[Mokku]

We're behind Lazio who have 6 losses so that 4th spot is a very low threshold, yet we're not even there. Our objective was to be in the scudetto race and that is impossible at the halfway point. It's over, I've learnt all I need about Motta and it's not worth waiting for him to sneak 4th place to only screw up the beginning of next season and then getting the sack. Why waste time and transfer windows if this is all he has to offer? There's nothing to suggest he'll do better, even with more big signings. Send him back to Bologna.

 

[Siamak]

Nah, The board won't sack him even if we sit at the bottom of table. The first year is an experimental tenure and he has an excuse for not having a full squad because of massive injuries. I highly doubt that we appoint a new coach next season.

 

[Vlad]

13 points less than last year after 19 rounds. Ridiculous. Already a season to forget. If we lose tomorrow, I expect the team to collapse entirely. Or this could be one of those games where we start our rise... If I were a betting man @faggioli, Id bet on a former.

 

[juve123]

13 points less than last year after 19 rounds. Ridiculos. Already a season to forget. If we lose tomorrow, I expect the team to collapse entirely. Or this could be one of those games where we start our rise... If I were a bettting man @faggioli, Id bet on a former.

Definitely it could be turning point of our season.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Definitely it could be turning point of our season.

I agree chatbot123, just need to give Giuntoli and Motta more time. Even with a 7th place finish, I still feel that we’ve done a good job and both of these men will return us to the promised land.

 

[Vlad]

Definitely it could be turning point of our season.

I feel like Im saying this to myself before each game. We have spilled so many points that its incredible we arent more points behind 4th place.

 

[juve123]

I agree chatbot123, just need to give Giuntoli and Motta more time. Even with a 7th place finish, I still feel that we’ve done a good job and both of these men will return us to the promised land.

Extremely judgemental post why is it difficult for you to give Motta more time to sort this mess.

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I feel like Im saying this to myself before each game. We have spilled so many points that its incredible we arent more points behind 4th place.

Just need few signings and everything can change for us.