They are Europes biggest talents (1 Viewer)

[Fred]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Yes I do. I believe that the players I mentioned ahead of Rooney have more technical ability and dynamic talent. As you very well know, I am not one to buy into hype; you must look deeper. This is something you cannot do.

oh come on who gives a damn what the media says about him,but he's constantly been giving better performances than Ronaldo(who IMO is not half as effective as Rooney) both this season and last and even the one before it,not to mention the Euro's where Rooney showed all doubters that he desrves the credit he gets.
personally i dont like that arrogant brat Rooney,but come on he's proved that he is easily the best young player in the world.

 

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[The Arif]

Fred, Rooney is nowhere near what english media make him, he's just too overrated. There are better forwards then him, like Tevez for example.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by fred weasley ] ++
oh come on who gives a damn what the media says about him,but he's constantly been giving better performances than Ronaldo(who IMO is not half as effective as Rooney) both this season and last and even the one before it,not to mention the Euro's where Rooney showed all doubters that he desrves the credit he gets.
personally i dont like that arrogant brat Rooney,but come on he's proved that he is easily the best young player in the world.

It's like I'm posting with the chief editor of the Globe here. You have really been brainwashed by the English press Freddy. Ronaldo was amazing in the Euros as well, and also in the Manure shirt a year before Rooney put one on. He scores some goals in a tournament, moves to Man United, and everybody puts an unwarranted label on him. Have you even watched Bojinov or Ben Arfa play Freddy? Obviously you have not.

 

[Chxta]

Rooney this... Rooney that... I think I will fall ill.
No, I think I am ill :sick:

 

[Chxta]

Rooney this... Rooney that... I think I will fall ill.
No, I think I am ill :sick:

See....
Valerij Bojinov is better.
Freddy Adu is better.
Antonio Cassano is better.
Fernando Torres is better.
Alessio Cerci is better.
Carlos Tevez is better.
Francesc Fabregas is better.
Matthieu Flamini is better.
Cristiano Ronaldo is better.
Gael Clichy is better.
Robin van Persie is better.

I am better

These are all young players. Let's not take it away from young Wayne, he is good (much as I hate to admit it), but you guys are all victims of the English media and their famed ability to overhype a player.

Let's ask the following questions:

Who was the best scorer in the 98 World Cup, and who was the best scorer in the World then? I'd give it to Davor Suker. Did the English media have orgasms over him? No,because they were busy over-hyping young Michael Owen (who by the way has never actually lived up to the standards they set for him. For crying out loud, the consistently best English striker in the premiership for the past God knows how many years has been Alan Shearer. Let's face facts.

Who was the best crosser of the ball in the last 10 years?I'd give it to either one of the following: Sinisa Mihajlovic (Lazio and Jugoslavia), Luis Figo (Barcelona and Portugal) yes, forget about after his move to Madrid, and Finidi George (Ajax and Nigeria). These were players whose crosses in their day, which is not too far off, meant a certain goal. But did we hear about them on Sky? No. Instead we kept hearing of a certain David Beckham whose only real claim to fame were one of the following: he married a spice girl; he is a pretty boy; and his team mates knew him so well that they'd be waiting precisely where his cross was going to land. Has he been able to consistently produce those kind of crosses in Madrid? And please don't give me that crap about him playing out of position in the middle of the park. Can he dribble? Caan he use his left foot? Remember Mihajlovic's goal against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge? It was a right footed shot by a left footed player. Figo at both Barca and Madrid constantly changes lanes, remember?


Who was the best freekick taker? Rivaldo, Albertini, Mihajlovic, Ian Harte, not Beckham. Want me to name more? Henry? Roberto Carlos...


The English media is f***ed.

No disrespect to the following, Beckham, Owen and Rooney, but please there are better players out there.

P.S. England hasn't won anything since 66 with all their 'world stars'.

 

[Bjerknes]

Great post chxta, my sentiments exactly.

 

[The Arif]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


See....
Valerij Bojinov is better.
Freddy Adu is better.
Antonio Cassano is better.
Fernando Torres is better.
Alessio Cerci is better.
Carlos Tevez is better.
Francesc Fabregas is better.
Matthieu Flamini is better.
Cristiano Ronaldo is better.
Gael Clichy is better.
Robin van Persie is better.

I am better

These are all young players. Let's not take it away from young Wayne, he is good (much as I hate to admit it), but you guys are all victims of the English media and their famed ability to overhype a player.

Let's ask the following questions:

Who was the best scorer in the 98 World Cup, and who was the best scorer in the World then? I'd give it to Davor Suker. Did the English media have orgasms over him? No,because they were busy over-hyping young Michael Owen (who by the way has never actually lived up to the standards they set for him. For crying out loud, the consistently best English striker in the premiership for the past God knows how many years has been Alan Shearer. Let's face facts.

Who was the best crosser of the ball in the last 10 years?I'd give it to either one of the following: Sinisa Mihajlovic (Lazio and Jugoslavia), Luis Figo (Barcelona and Portugal) yes, forget about after his move to Madrid, and Finidi George (Ajax and Nigeria). These were players whose crosses in their day, which is not too far off, meant a certain goal. But did we hear about them on Sky? No. Instead we kept hearing of a certain David Beckham whose only real claim to fame were one of the following: he married a spice girl; he is a pretty boy; and his team mates knew him so well that they'd be waiting precisely where his cross was going to land. Has he been able to consistently produce those kind of crosses in Madrid? And please don't give me that crap about him playing out of position in the middle of the park. Can he dribble? Caan he use his left foot? Remember Mihajlovic's goal against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge? It was a right footed shot by a left footed player. Figo at both Barca and Madrid constantly changes lanes, remember?


Who was the best freekick taker? Rivaldo, Albertini, Mihajlovic, Ian Harte, not Beckham. Want me to name more? Henry? Roberto Carlos...


The English media is f***ed.

No disrespect to the following, Beckham, Owen and Rooney, but please there are better players out there.

P.S. England hasn't won anything since 66 with all their 'world stars'.

chxta, great post. agreed with everything written above.

 

[Pintu the Great]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Yes I do. I believe that the players I mentioned ahead of Rooney have more technical ability and dynamic talent. As you very well know, I am not one to buy into hype; you must look deeper. This is something you cannot do.

:dontcare: Can you get anymore cocky than this!? Yeah, you dislike Rooney but you are full of praise when it comes to other very hyped player, C. Ronaldo...

 

[Tom]

I find it quite amusing how you lot slag off the English media for overhyping our players and then basically lower yourselves to the same level by unashamedly bashing them!

We've got just as many talented youngsters in our country than anyone else, and as far as Bojinov being better than Rooney well thats got to be a joke and a half hasn't it. I mean I can't stand the bastard but to say he's inferior to a basically unproven player is somewhat off and smacks of bias.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Pintu the Great ] ++


:dontcare: Can you get anymore cocky than this!? Yeah, you dislike Rooney but you are full of praise when it comes to other very hyped player, C. Ronaldo...

Ronaldo is no where near as hyped up as Rooney. You people just do not get it. I do not pay attention to the media you dimwits, I form my own opinion by WATCHING the players who are in question. There are obvious differences between the talent levels of Rooney and Ronaldo, as well as other lesser known talents out there. I wonder how many articles have been written about Bojinov in England. Nah, he's no where near the talent of our Rooney.

 

[Dominic]

Rooney is very overrated, but I really have to say that Cristiano Ronaldo is even more overrated!

Cristiano Ronaldo is really a poor player. He does a lot of tricks which are all useless and not special, and he just keeps hogging on to the ball. All Ronaldo's moves have no end product, no effectiveness at all. If anything his moves just slow down his team's offence.
He is a dirty and brainless player as well.

You all talk RIGHTFULLY about the English media hyping up players like Rooney, but I really have to say the case is exactly the same concerning Cristiano Ronaldo.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++
I find it quite amusing how you lot slag off the English media for overhyping our players and then basically lower yourselves to the same level by unashamedly bashing them!

We've got just as many talented youngsters in our country than anyone else, and as far as Bojinov being better than Rooney well thats got to be a joke and a half hasn't it. I mean I can't stand the bastard but to say he's inferior to a basically unproven player is somewhat off and smacks of bias.

Unproven?!?

Sorry to be rude, but you need your head examined.

Please, this is one topic I am emotional about.

I've been having English rot choked down my throat since 1985.

I am sick of it!

 

[Chxta]

Back to the issue...

and I am sorry Paolo, that was way off line.

 

[Chxta]

The media in England over hype their players. That's true, and u know it.
Bojinov has gotten what is it 6, is it 7 goals in a team that was tipped to battle for relegation. He has almost single handedly carried them to mid-table respectability.
When Rooney broke out in Everton, they were in a relegation quagmire. Personally, I think that THE most outstanding player among the surprise teams of last season in England was Jay-Jay Okocha. Kinda like Maradona to Argentina in the 80s, remove Jay Jay from Bolton of 2003-2004, and u had no team.
Same thing here, remove Bojinov from Lecce, and u have Serie B.
Rooney has been removed from Everton, anf they're above Man U (where Rooney is now) in the table.
Though it remains tio be seen how far they can carry it.

 

[Fred]

@Andy,i've watched Bojinov and i've watched Ben Arfa,although the latter isnt half as good as you say he is.

back to the topic:

i agree with most of the posts here about the English media hyping players up,yes they do overrate Rooney by comparing him to Baggio and Pele and by saying he's one of the best strikers in the world now.but who gives a rats a$$ what they say about him that doesnt change the fact that he's an arrogant bastard but nor does it change the fact that he's the best young player in the world,he proved that by being the 2nd top scorer in the euro's and by scoring a hattrick in his Cl debut and by his strong performances with the English NT in the WC qualifiers,you have to give him credit for doing all that at only 18 years old,what has Ronaldo done to prove the hype around him,put the ball in between R.Bravo's legs.open your eyes a little Andy and stop listening too much to what the media says about players.

 

[ZhiXin]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


See....
Valerij Bojinov is better.
Freddy Adu is better.
Antonio Cassano is better.
Fernando Torres is better.
Alessio Cerci is better.
Carlos Tevez is better.
Francesc Fabregas is better.
Matthieu Flamini is better.
Cristiano Ronaldo is better.
Gael Clichy is better.
Robin van Persie is better.

I am better

These are all young players. Let's not take it away from young Wayne, he is good (much as I hate to admit it), but you guys are all victims of the English media and their famed ability to overhype a player.

Let's ask the following questions:

Who was the best scorer in the 98 World Cup, and who was the best scorer in the World then? I'd give it to Davor Suker. Did the English media have orgasms over him? No,because they were busy over-hyping young Michael Owen (who by the way has never actually lived up to the standards they set for him. For crying out loud, the consistently best English striker in the premiership for the past God knows how many years has been Alan Shearer. Let's face facts.

Who was the best crosser of the ball in the last 10 years?I'd give it to either one of the following: Sinisa Mihajlovic (Lazio and Jugoslavia), Luis Figo (Barcelona and Portugal) yes, forget about after his move to Madrid, and Finidi George (Ajax and Nigeria). These were players whose crosses in their day, which is not too far off, meant a certain goal. But did we hear about them on Sky? No. Instead we kept hearing of a certain David Beckham whose only real claim to fame were one of the following: he married a spice girl; he is a pretty boy; and his team mates knew him so well that they'd be waiting precisely where his cross was going to land. Has he been able to consistently produce those kind of crosses in Madrid? And please don't give me that crap about him playing out of position in the middle of the park. Can he dribble? Caan he use his left foot? Remember Mihajlovic's goal against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge? It was a right footed shot by a left footed player. Figo at both Barca and Madrid constantly changes lanes, remember?


Who was the best freekick taker? Rivaldo, Albertini, Mihajlovic, Ian Harte, not Beckham. Want me to name more? Henry? Roberto Carlos...


The English media is f***ed.

No disrespect to the following, Beckham, Owen and Rooney, but please there are better players out there.

P.S. England hasn't won anything since 66 with all their 'world stars'.

Splendid post, I'm supportive of u. There r much more talents that r > Rooney, even if they in fact r > Rooney, they r not paid any attention by the media.

But this is good, cos those players can train in peace and improve to become 1 of the best strikers in the globe without the hassle of the media.

 

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Olivier De Cock is the best player in the world.

 

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++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++
No. Instead we kept hearing of a certain David Beckham whose only real claim to fame were one of the following: he married a spice girl; he is a pretty boy; and his team mates knew him so well that they'd be waiting precisely where his cross was going to land. Has he been able to consistently produce those kind of crosses in Madrid? And please don't give me that crap about him playing out of position in the middle of the park. Can he dribble? Caan he use his left foot? Remember Mihajlovic's goal against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge? It was a right footed shot by a left footed player. Figo at both Barca and Madrid constantly changes lanes, remember?
No disrespect to the following, Beckham, Owen and Rooney, but please there are better players out there.

P.S. England hasn't won anything since 66 with all their 'world stars'.

I agree.

England and their players are worthless. (PERIOD)

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by fred weasley ] ++
@Andy,i've watched Bojinov and i've watched Ben Arfa,although the latter isnt half as good as you say he is.

back to the topic:

i agree with most of the posts here about the English media hyping players up,yes they do overrate Rooney by comparing him to Baggio and Pele and by saying he's one of the best strikers in the world now.but who gives a rats a$$ what they say about him that doesnt change the fact that he's an arrogant bastard but nor does it change the fact that he's the best young player in the world,he proved that by being the 2nd top scorer in the euro's and by scoring a hattrick in his Cl debut and by his strong performances with the English NT in the WC qualifiers,you have to give him credit for doing all that at only 18 years old,what has Ronaldo done to prove the hype around him,put the ball in between R.Bravo's legs.open your eyes a little Andy and stop listening too much to what the media says about players.

How many times have I posted this? Fred, you obviously do not read. I have said twice on this thread that I DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE MEDIA. I form my own opinions by WATCHING THE PLAYERS. You are the one who buys the media shite. If I bought into the media I would be overjoyed with Rooney, just as you.

 

[erado]

++ [ originally posted by chxta ] ++


See....
Valerij Bojinov is better.
Freddy Adu is better.
Antonio Cassano is better.
Fernando Torres is better.
Alessio Cerci is better.
Carlos Tevez is better.
Francesc Fabregas is better.
Matthieu Flamini is better.
Cristiano Ronaldo is better.
Gael Clichy is better.
Robin van Persie is better.

I am better

These are all young players. Let's not take it away from young Wayne, he is good (much as I hate to admit it), but you guys are all victims of the English media and their famed ability to overhype a player.

The Sweden media cant really judge solely on potential or skill abilities, thats where performance come into place, with Rooney and Bojinov is high up in the list.
To be fair to Rooney, his debut season has been reasonable good, a hatrick against Fenerbahce and 4 goals in 9 EPL fixtures( 2 as subs), while half of the list cant even get a couple of games.. Agreed that he may not be the best but he is good and he is England most exciting prospect. Its a great list that Chxta have and I m impress by most of them, but how times we have seen talents vanish in the game when playing in a bigger league/club or getting lesser playing time... Rooney still 19 and getting games week in week out for ManU, his future looks promising...

Let's ask the following questions:

Who was the best scorer in the 98 World Cup, and who was the best scorer in the World then? I'd give it to Davor Suker. Did the English media have orgasms over him? No,because they were busy over-hyping young Michael Owen (who by the way has never actually lived up to the standards they set for him. For crying out loud, the consistently best English striker in the premiership for the past God knows how many years has been Alan Shearer. Let's face facts.

Agreed, M.Owen is over-rated. Nothing worth mention about him, maybe his WC98 performance.

Who was the best crosser of the ball in the last 10 years?I'd give it to either one of the following: Sinisa Mihajlovic (Lazio and Jugoslavia), Luis Figo (Barcelona and Portugal) yes, forget about after his move to Madrid, and Finidi George (Ajax and Nigeria). These were players whose crosses in their day, which is not too far off, meant a certain goal. But did we hear about them on Sky? No. Instead we kept hearing of a certain David Beckham whose only real claim to fame were one of the following: he married a spice girl; he is a pretty boy; and his team mates knew him so well that they'd be waiting precisely where his cross was going to land. Has he been able to consistently produce those kind of crosses in Madrid? And please don't give me that crap about him playing out of position in the middle of the park. Can he dribble? Caan he use his left foot? Remember Mihajlovic's goal against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge? It was a right footed shot by a left footed player. Figo at both Barca and Madrid constantly changes lanes, remember?

Have you watch CL1999 games? Have u seen Beckham deliver those pinpoint crosses? :frown: He is one of the best in that department. He may not reach his best again since 1999 but he is still one of the best crosser and passer in the game. I still feel that playing wrong position worth a shout, and no offense, try putting Figo in the center. Playing center is workable for Beckham but nowhere near ideal. Agreed Figo is better complete player but doesn’t mean Beckham is terrible..

Who was the best freekick taker? Rivaldo, Albertini, Mihajlovic, Ian Harte, not Beckham. Want me to name more? Henry? Roberto Carlos...

The English media is f***ed.

No disrespect to the following, Beckham, Owen and Rooney, but please there are better players out there.

P.S. England hasn't won anything since 66 with all their 'world stars'.

Are you serious? I still rank Beckham above all others.. His freekicks may not be spectacular but it is always effective.. We have seen so many times he scored from freekicks which highlight his consistency in that.. His numbers of goals from freekicks and conversion rate is way ahead of others (not sure about Miha)...

IMO, Rooney and Beckham isnt really over-rated by their capabilities... Still, Media so often mislead us with their own match reports and match ratings of players.. Its all about seeing it urself..