The Wish List and General Discussion Thread (38 Viewers)

[taem]

If Marchisio was to play in a 4-2-3-1, he'd be more likely to be in the 3 than the 2.

Actually didn't Italy try that in the World Cup? I seem to recall him playing CM in 4-2-3-1 and then on the left in a 4-4-2 and sucking badly in both roles. But those matches are hazy for me, not memorable matches. There's a reason why I ended up with 4-2-3-1 with him at DM, there was a process of elimination going on, as with the 4-4-2.

Dam so no role for this guy in a starting role? He can do a little of everything, and he was primavera captain...

 

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[Trequartista]

Well I guess he could play but in a 4-2-3-1 I prefer a deep-lying playmaker (regista). I love Pirlo but he is too old. Banega would be perfect.

 

[Bjerknes]

We have already seen that Melo-Marchisio does not work as our CM in a 4-4-2. We need a regista to play with Melo, and not a lazy, weak one like Aquilani.

That's correct. We don't want Marchisio as a starter with Melo, or in a 4-4-2 period, unless we can resurrect Davids. Marchisio is really a perfect player for the 4-3-3, someone to carry the water next to a ball winner and playmaker. It's very easy to see.

If Marchisio was to play in a 4-2-3-1, he'd be more likely to be in the 3 than the 2.

Exactly, and that would obviously be a disaster since he'd have even more responsibility out wide.

 

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Buffon
Beck-Bonucci-Chiellini-De Ceglie/Ziegler
Krasic-Melo-Montollivo-Bastos
Matri-Qtube

That's probably going to be our starting 11 next season then. Strong enough to make top 3? I doubt so.

Our current squad is good enough for top 3 - just with better tactics & coaching

That squad is definitely good enough for top 3 - yet still quite mediocre in Europe

 

[Trequartista]

Our current squad is good enough for top 3 - just with better tactics & coaching

That squad is definitely good enough for top 3 - yet still quite mediocre in Europe

That is a cheap team. Beck is around 8M, Bastos 18M, Ziegler for free and Montollivo 6M+Martinez. That's only 32 M, not counting fees for Matri and Qtube(multiple years). It will probably happen considering we are in the red financially at the moment.

Also, we can get about 20 M for all the players we have to sell(Amauri, Giovinco, Tiago, Sissoko, Iaquinta, Grosso, etc.)

I don't like it though. I want at least one champion, like Hazard.

 

[taem]

That's correct. We don't want Marchisio as a starter with Melo, or in a 4-4-2 period, unless we can resurrect Davids. Marchisio is really a perfect player for the 4-3-3, someone to carry the water next to a ball winner and playmaker. It's very easy to see.

Well I don't want to play a 4-3-3 period. Works great for a few, the rest turn into sieves and get destroyed.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well I don't want to play a 4-3-3 period. Works great for a few, the rest turn into sieves and get destroyed.

:confused2

We have had our best performances this season with the 4-3-3, or a variation of it. The straight 4-4-2 has caused us problems since the Fall.

 

[andriy]

Aguero would be so nice, but nearly impossible probably.

Anyway, I want to see a new coach just as much as most after Del Neri's first season, but I think what this team really needs is stability. We have changed coaches way too often, new management again this year, a lot of new blood. It would do the team a lot of good to stick with some core players, even keeping some from this year, hoping they carry on with philosophy, like Quag and Aquillani (although he underperformed a lot), but for the sake of having something to build on. Looking at some of the formations here it seems like we are going to have a whole new squad; doesn't really work like that, chances are those teams are not gonna be able to perform as seamlessly as some think. To reinforce my point, look at Man City past few years. Stability is key for the club and if Juve overhauls everything top to bottom, they aren't doing ourselves any favors.

 

[Wahdan]

If we don’t bounce back next season, the fans will burn the new stadium. A lot of pressure on Marotta this summer.

 

[taem]

:confused2

We have had our best performances this season with the 4-3-3, or a variation of it. The straight 4-4-2 has caused us problems since the Fall.

What are the stats? I remember some big wins, looking great on the counter, but I also recall a lot of oppo shots on goal and thinking this can't work long term, only in select matches. As much as I dislike Delneri I don't think he simply abandoned a winning approach through caprice, I think he was trying to work out a more balanced long term solution with a 4-4-2.

 

[Bjerknes]

Aguero would be so nice, but nearly impossible probably.

Anyway, I want to see a new coach just as much as most after Del Neri's first season, but I think what this team really needs is stability. We have changed coaches way too often, new management again this year, a lot of new blood. It would do the team a lot of good to stick with some core players, even keeping some from this year, hoping they carry on with philosophy, like Quag and Aquillani (although he underperformed a lot), but for the sake of having something to build on. Looking at some of the formations here it seems like we are going to have a whole new squad; doesn't really work like that, chances are those teams are not gonna be able to perform as seamlessly as some think. To reinforce my point, look at Man City past few years. Stability is key for the club and if Juve overhauls everything top to bottom, they aren't doing ourselves any favors.

We had stability under Ranieri, yet his spell ended with us basically falling apart as a team.

This argument you put forth only works if you have competent people in charge. Unfortunately we do not.

There is no reason to keep DN on, unless we are literally only left with some Serie B coaches as candidates.

 

[Bjerknes]

What are the stats? I remember some big wins, looking great on the counter, but I also recall a lot of oppo shots on goal and thinking this can't work long term, only in select matches. As much as I dislike Delneri I don't think he simply abandoned a winning approach through caprice, I think he was trying to work out a more balanced long term solution with a 4-4-2.

2-1 win at San Siro against Milan and 2-0 at Roma, probably our two best wins of the season. Immediately after the latter match Del Neri reverted back to the straight 4-4-2, and we drew 2-2 with Cesena.

4-4-2 with only one true winger is football terrorism and should be destroyed.

 

[vodka]

2-1 win at San Siro against Milan and 2-0 at Roma, probably our two best wins of the season. Immediately after the latter match Del Neri reverted back to the straight 4-4-2, and we drew 2-2 with Cesena.

4-4-2 with only one true winger is football terrorism and should be destroyed.

exactly. Just what i am thinking all the time.

 

[taem]

2-1 win at San Siro against Milan and 2-0 at Roma, probably our two best wins of the season. Immediately after the latter match Del Neri reverted back to the straight 4-4-2, and we drew 2-2 with Cesena.

Iirc in one of those wins Storari made save after save. I think Roma? I don't know that I want to play that match over and over. Doesn't seem like a big sample to work with also. Maybe enough to give it more of a look. But I'm not sold on it, though you obviously know your stuff and I have no reason to doubt you.

4-4-2 with only one true winger is football terrorism and should be destroyed.

Isn't that the problem? We signed Martinez even tho he'd never played 4-4-2 so we ended up with guys like Pepe and Marchisio playing wing. Krasic is great offensively in a 4-4-2 but he's not good at coming back and the whole flank is wide open. Maybe 4-4-2 might work better with Bastos or whoever and Krasic.

 

[chester]

Don't kno0w if it has been posted already, didn't scroll through all the pages but we are linked with Heinze from Marseille

 

[taem]

33 yr old Heinze? I do like him but we seem to be stockpiling pensioners. Does that save us money on a bench? Even if xfer is free don't these guys want high wages?

 

[andriy]

We had stability under Ranieri, yet his spell ended with us basically falling apart as a team.

This argument you put forth only works if you have competent people in charge. Unfortunately we do not.

There is no reason to keep DN on, unless we are literally only left with some Serie B coaches as candidates.

Ranieri really has proven he build a team and have them play good football for a period but can't go all the way, which could be a problem with his mentality or keeping his teams focused. That was probably the last time we actually made progress as a team and didnt take a step back.
I think Del Neri stinks, but Marrota could be capable of making deals it seems; he gets stick for the signatures he provided this season, but really how much input did the coach have on those signatures? Seems that Del Neri's experience is not much broader than Serie, so maybe thats why were signing so many Italians.

 

[DisturbedSaint]

We had stability under Ranieri, yet his spell ended with us basically falling apart as a team.

This argument you put forth only works if you have competent people in charge. Unfortunately we do not.

There is no reason to keep DN on, unless we are literally only left with some Serie B coaches as candidates.

Agreed on that.. Delneri has been bad this season.. But he alone is not to be blamed.. We had financial constraints this season.. few injuries.. and few lacked form.. We might as well give Delneri another season than bringing in a coach like Mazzarri who would need a change in the entire system.. changing formations and tactics every season wont do that players any good either..
Sign a few good players and see what DElneri can do..
Having said this.. am not supporting Delneri.. I feel there's no point replacing him with another mediocre coach.

 

[Dominic]

We have a better team on paper.

We really don't. And that's been one of our big problems the past seasons. Even if we could field a decent team on paper, we never manage to gel it into a team. I blame it on the revolutions of every season. We should really keep the spine of the team and just add three players. Scudetto is unrealistic. We are a midtable team, and these topclub expectations have been killing us. Napoli have been building their team for 5 years (with no revolutions) and still failed. We need to have patience and adress thje bigger needs, while not changing the team's overall look too much. I don't care for Del Neri much, but the players have a lot of trust in him for some reason. The team had lost faith in Ranieri and Ferrara to compare.

On paper our best team this past season;

Buffon
Motta Bonucci Chiellini De Ceglie
Krasic Melo Aquilani Marchisio
Quagliarella Del Piero

Order of problems; 1. Motta 2. Left wing. 3. Leftback(when DC was gone) 4. Aquilani. 5. Lack of threat without DP and Quagliarella.
I guess the management is building something like this;
Buffon
Lichtsteiner Bonucci Chiellini De Ceglie
Krasic Melo Pirlo Bastos
Sanchez Quagliarella

I'm starting to like the idea of Bastos, i'd have him as Leftback preferably, depending on the opponent. Get a young player to be his deputy on the left.
Sanchez is very unlikely, i know.

I dont care what any of you say, but Pirlo on a bossman(despite wages) is a steal.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I dont care what any of you say, but Pirlo on a bossman(despite wages) is a steal.

He would also, just like Toni & (to a lesser extent) Barzagli, be the complete opposite of what we set out to do in the first place.