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Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Missed that one, sorry

And yes, Dzsudzsak would be a good addition for the LW
No problem:)

Anyone have any idea how much he would cost?
As long as they track back and support the defense, acting as a unit, I don't see what the problem is. If it's such a worry then some need to include wing-backs in their four-man midfield, because very few wingers are like Pavs.
First thing's first...we need a smart coach.
 

The Curr

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I've seen Giovinco track back. I've seen a lot of good attacking wingers track back and put in work defensively.

Whatever the case, I really don't know what to say. I've seen folks say no to Hazard because he isn't good enough defensively for the left flank, same with Dzsudzsak, same with Robben and Ribery. I mean, what gives?

The safer option isn't always the one that provides better coverage at the back. There's two sides to the coin. Many people forget that having a good attacking winger is a defensive tactic in itself since he can put his opposition back on their heels.
I didn't say anything about Giovinco's defending.

Players like Robben and Robery aren't what I'm talking about. They don't play in a 4 man midfield.
 

Hust

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I think for 12-15 million, we'll have him, depends a bit on when his contract expires.
I think he could bring us the same output as Krasic...man his FKs are sick as well so at least we would have a semi-DP replacement in that department. :D

I like the guy, would be a perfect complement to Krasic on the left side.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Don't Bayern play Ribery-Muller-Robben with two DMs behind them?
They usually set up like that. It depends on who they have up top. But one thing is for sure, Muller doesn't track back much, so it's more like a 4-2-4 or 4-4-2. The systems are basically the same depending on who you have on the pitch.

Which brings me to my point. Nobody is asking for players like Ribery on both flanks who don't even bother to come back to support the back four, but the main concern when talking about a winger should not be whether he can defend or not.
 

The Curr

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They usually set up like that. It depends on who they have up top. But one thing is for sure, Muller doesn't track back much, so it's more like a 4-2-4 or 4-4-2. The systems are basically the same depending on who you have on the pitch.

Which brings me to my point. Nobody is asking for players like Ribery on both flanks who don't even bother to come back to support the back four, but the main concern when talking about a winger should not be whether he can defend or not.
I agree. :tup:
 

JuveJay

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No no, that's the conservative approach. That's the "Italian" approach. There isn't just one way of doing things.

Would you say Giovinco suites the 4-2-3-1?
There are certainly different ways of doing things, but basically you are trying to find a balance. If you have two wide wingers who don't make any effort to defend and two real forwards you are essentially playing 4-2-4. You laughed the other day at Nedved's comment about Krasic needing to defend better. In one way, I agree, because Krasic is the only wide attacking outlet in our team and needs to be given this role. Even Delneri understands that he has to let Krasic off defensive duties because of this, even though it has often left the right back exposed. On the other hand, Krasic learning better defensive positioning and use of his energy would help the team and make him a more rounded and better player. Foremost, a winger needs to attack, but the best ones are those who know where and when to balance the team.

Our attacking phase doesn't start with getting the ball wide to a winger, it starts with us getting on top of the opponent and getting the ball off them. To dictate play you can't afford to let players run down your channels at ease, that just puts you on the back foot.

If you want to dictate the play from an attacking perspective with wide attackers then these players need to be of high quality, high athletic ability, and the centre of midfield needs players who can win the ball.

Giovinco's best position is as a wide left attacker. More wide space to utilise his pace and dribbling against isolated opponents, go outside or inside on his stronger foot and good shot, whilst not being crowded in a central area by bigger opponents.
 

Suns

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Forget 4-4-2 and the lame wingers we get with that formation and switch to a 4-3-3 with proper wingers on the flanks. I don't want fake wingers or an ex fullback like Vargas, Zhirkov or Bastos to play on the left flank, I want a proper creative winger like Hazard, Ribery or Neymar.
 

Gagi

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Don't think so bro, CSKA played 5-3-2 before with Odiah (probably misspelled) on wing back, Krasic was, in FM language, MRC who runs down right when Odiah is back.

In Vojvodina he was more MC than a winger if I remember correctly.
 

JuveJay

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Forget 4-4-2 and the lame wingers we get with that formation and switch to a 4-3-3 with proper wingers on the flanks. I don't want fake wingers or an ex fullback like Vargas, Zhirkov or Bastos to play on the left flank, I want a proper creative winger like Hazard, Ribery or Neymar.
What about Bale? :eyebrows:
 
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