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I agree that they are not definite because of the loan terminology and aspect of the deals, but don't be surprised to see most of those players staying with us. I don't see us turning over another 5/6 players next season to replace those players mentioned. Only maybe Motta and Aquilani, pending form and injuries.
I didn't read about any buyout clause for Traoré, just a loan fee, I just recall people going nuts that we are 'Arsenal's Siena' for loaning him to us with no clause. I could be wrong there.
I didn't read about any buyout clause for Traoré, just a loan fee, I just recall people going nuts that we are 'Arsenal's Siena' for loaning him to us with no clause. I could be wrong there.
You know these deals in detail? I'm sure you'll see that the 'loan' aspect of them is nonsense, it's a way of structuring the payment. Who pays €4.5m for a one year loan of Quagliarella, or €2.6m for Pepe? These guys don't speak as if they are on loan deals, they are now Juventus players, because that's the deals. Can you imagine Quagliarella going back to Napoli after their comments? 
Quagliarella was a last second purchase, made only because we failed to get some 3 players or so. We failed with Dzeko, Boriello rejected us and Di Natale rejected us too. We needed a 4th attacker and only by the end of the mercato we went with choice D, which was Quagliarella. Panic buy. It would be a little silly to make this a "must buy".
Anyway, post-Calciopoli Juve already had cases like these ones where we had rights to buy players on loan to Juve and we didn't execute that right.
Knezevic was a 700 000 loan with rights to buy for 1.5m, Stendardo was a 400 000 loan with rights to buy for 12m eur and Caceres was another one we had rights to buy for 11+1m eur (dunno if we paid for the loan or we just paid his wages).
In any case, you might very well be right but the silliness in making these loan deals "must buy"'s is too big to be true. No-one could and can predict what is Juve going to do this season. These aren't the old times where with a 99% certainty one could say that CL is guaranteed. Our team might miss out on Europe and, from the August perspective, the team we created could have done terribly this year. If the loan deals are actual buys, then we did nothing but made sure that we will not only have to keep this team, but also pay 30-40m eur in the summer to keep the players we now have on loan.
That's basically my thinking, but it could work the other way.
Napoli paid ~€18m for him.
One year later (and less on his contract) they sell to Juve (late, as Alen mentioned) for €4.5m + €10.5m clause = €16m.
If we don't buy him initially, does his value go to above €10.5m again? It seems like part of the deal. I'm pretty sure Napoli would sell him for more, so what did we pay €4.5m for? Is that how much his ability is worth over a season?
Napoli paid ~€18m for him.
One year later (and less on his contract) they sell to Juve (late, as Alen mentioned) for €4.5m + €10.5m clause = €16m.
If we don't buy him initially, does his value go to above €10.5m again? It seems like part of the deal. I'm pretty sure Napoli would sell him for more, so what did we pay €4.5m for? Is that how much his ability is worth over a season?
Anyway, 10-12m eur might actually be the maximum price Napoli could get for him in the summer if Juve don't buy him and they want to sell him.
They seriously overpaid for him and now after proving that he's an average striker (this is still a subject of change), 10-12m will be the best they can expect to get for a soon to be 29 year old (He will turn 29 at the middle of next season).
Also, having in mind that Napoli have enough quality attackers and Quag is one of the highest paid players there (or the highest paid?), they might actually let him go even for cheaper.
4.5m eur for loan is indeed too much, but we were choiceless and forced to overpay like that.
15m eur for Quag is also too much, but this time we won't be without a choice. If we pay the remaining 10.5m for Quag, we will:
- Not be able to sell him for more, even if we immediately try to sell him.
- Fill the SS position and go on for one more season with Quag and a 37 year old Del Piero.
Not really logical and not a bright prospect.
Unless Quag wins over us and deserves Juve to pay the 10.5m eur.
They seriously overpaid for him and now after proving that he's an average striker (this is still a subject of change), 10-12m will be the best they can expect to get for a soon to be 29 year old (He will turn 29 at the middle of next season).
Also, having in mind that Napoli have enough quality attackers and Quag is one of the highest paid players there (or the highest paid?), they might actually let him go even for cheaper.
4.5m eur for loan is indeed too much, but we were choiceless and forced to overpay like that.
15m eur for Quag is also too much, but this time we won't be without a choice. If we pay the remaining 10.5m for Quag, we will:
- Not be able to sell him for more, even if we immediately try to sell him.
- Fill the SS position and go on for one more season with Quag and a 37 year old Del Piero.
Not really logical and not a bright prospect.
Unless Quag wins over us and deserves Juve to pay the 10.5m eur.
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