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    He had a couple of good matches and people are acting like he's Dani Alves.

    Average player in my books.
    now you're exaggerating Dusan.

    At least we know where we should focus on next season and even maybe in the winter mercato session, we just don't agree in certain players. We do agree on most though.
     

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    Dominic

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    Before you go raving on Ferrara, this system, his choices and our current performance, just consider a few things first!

    When we made the planning of the season, we already had 4 high class forwards.
    Just 2 AMFs (Camo,Giovinco) and 5DM/CMs (Sissoko,Marchisio,Poulsen, Zanetti,Tiago/Almiron)

    So it was completely impossible to build a team for the 4-2-3-1 from there, without wasting all those players upfront and without that acquisition of at least 3-4 new AMFs (2 starters and 2 subs)
    DP seemed fit, Amauri is young, healthy and will return on form soon or later, Iaq is on fire and Treze is finally back.
    It would be a real shame to waste 3 of them on the bench at any time.
    Because we had no good wingers and no option to turn back to the failed 4-4-2
    So, we have preferred to switch on this formation, that fits with our available material and our number one target (Diego)

    However, for this formation to work, we needed great fullbacks.
    We got Grosso and Caceres and hoped that Zebina will be available too
    (it seemed that way, at least to some).

    Atm our original plans didnt fail just yet.
    But only our adaptation to them, caused by the injuries that obstructed their use!

    A healthy Zebina among Canna, Chiellini and Grosso wouldnt be that bad!
    A Sissoko Marchisio Melo line wouldnt be intimidated by anyone and the pace, strength and even passing (Marchisio) coming from them and some decent crossing/passes from Zebi/Grosso
    Would help Diego to overlap most of our current issues.
    Ideally, upfront we would use a solid prolific finisher Treze/DP paired with a great creative beast-warrior-forward (Amauri/Iaq)

    On theory we have enough subs to replace any of those key players (Caceres,Giovinco,DC,Camo etc) but for one reason or the other, they didnt...just yet...

    Yesterday, we have seen how important a dynamic and fast paced player, like Sissoko, can be for our midfield. although the early yellow had his hands tied and he is not an AMF, many times he was in a position to threaten the opposition.
    Imagine him being completely fit (lets not forget that he just returned from a long injury issue and lost most of the summer training) and adapted to the new acquisitions/teamwork and system!!
    Imagine him to be paired among with an on form Melo and Marchisio!

    Before we see that and it fails, we should stop asking for a change in formation right now!
    Besides we dint have the tools for that. Giovinco is not having a great season,
    to field a 4-2-3-1 now would mean:
    -Less pressure to our fullbacks - Good
    -Utilize just 2 of our 6 available DM/CMs - Passable, considering that 3 are injured
    -Utilize 3 of our 3 AMFs (Giovinco, Diego,Camo) - Dangerous, what happens if one cant for any reason, at any time???
    -Utilize just one of our 4 high class forward - counter effective, even with DP being injured

    All that, just to become a bit more spectacular to watch?
    Just drop all the training and schemes we have used and trained for so far and start the season from the beginning?
    I believe at this point, without new acquisitions we cant and we should even consider doing that.


    Sissoko has just returned, lets wait and see how his partnership with Melo and Diego will work out first. I believe that this was the bet of our season.
    Yesterday Melo wasnt as good as usual, lets see what happens when all three of them are fit and rolling.
    Lets see what happens if we put an on form Marchisio, Camo or Tiago on the mix.

    Hopefully Amauri will start scoring too and we will stop wasting the opportunities we create. Imagine him coming back and paired with DP, while having Diego, Melo, Marchisio and Sissoko on their back and tell me that wont be an overkill!

    We are a young team, with a new coach, new system and new key players.
    We need more time to see our potential.
    This is the price we have to pay, for taking that long to replace what was holding us back.

    We have been constantly lacking two/thirds of our planned starters, in our first eleven, in key positions, so far;

    Yes its normal to have creativity issues if Diego isnt absent out there,
    Giovinco and Camo playing like Shit, when called to replace him and our fullbacks being our classic fullbacks...

    Yes its normal to be intimidated in the midfield and lose solidarity if we lack
    2 of our 3 starters (Sissoko,Marchisio,Melo)

    Yes its normal to be a push over from Fiorentina's left side (Vargas,Jovetic)
    When we have to rely on Grygera, because Zebi is injured and Caceres is not the acquisition we hoped to be...

    Yes we are about to create and waste a whole load of chances upfront if we are playing without a finisher! Amauri and Iaq were always great at creating chances,
    but not as effective when they had to finish them.

    All those issues are affecting our team lately and IMO its normal that we under-perform, we are a new team and dont have the necessary teamwork to compensate just yet.
    Its really unfortunate that we have to play, fielding using our the less optimal choices,for key positions (just 1/3 of our starters, not even 2/3, if not 3/3)
    for every line, at almost every match,
    but hopefully our luck will return some time.

    That was one of the Inter's advantages against us this year and it has now started to pay off.
    We may start rolling in the future and they may start chocking when they feel the pressure, but right now we cant press them and it all works to their favor...

    I believe that we still have the resources to bounce back!
    Treze seem to be returning, Amauri has finally scored, Iaq has a great season, Giovinco can surely do better than that, Caceres might eventually become a solution too, or we might finally make a RB acquisition at x-mas.
    And do not underestimate what the Diego, Melo, Marchisio, Sissoko partnership can do.
    We havent seen that yet and it was supposed to be that way, all season long!

    Fantastic post. :tup:

    The problem with football is as always direct results vs long-term results and thus I think for the lack of coherence,adaption and teamwork we need to rely on more individual quality and technique for now. Hence the introduction of Giovinco and/or Camo partnering Diego.
     

    JBF

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    I like Kolarov too...he wrecked our defense when we played them.
    He's fast, young and has a left foot that can actually both shoot and cross effectively which is a huge step towards a winning Juve! Though he still has to work on his defensive skills but as someone said here today(i cant recall his name) "we should stop looking for LB or RB with whom we'll be defensively strong but who can add some creativity instead".
     

    Hust

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    I think we all said that in one way or another.

    Kolarov definitely caused us problems. He certainly opened my eyes to his ability when I watched him. I like the guy and yes being young is absolutely a plus.
     

    Fred

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    Stop with that he can't defend! If we stick with this style we won't win anything. His job is not to defend but go attack where he's very good at, he can cover back without many problems. I think he's really underrated and he would be great here. His crosses are amazing and he's simply 10 times better than Grygera. We could pull a good deal with some of our players.

    Screw Milan.

    Pizarro would much much more than Ledesma. His technique is great and his creativity/passing is way better than Ledesma's. And if there's anyone overrated it's Lichtsteiner.

    I just woke up so I'll try to reply to some other posts later.
    He had a couple of good matches and people are acting like he's Dani Alves.

    Average player in my books.


    How is he an average player? He's a very good fullback. Full of energy, defends well and attacks well too, he can actually cross the ball and would be a huge upgrade over Grygera.

    Also, he is a better option than Motta imo. He is a more balanced player, equally good going forward and defensively.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    How is he an average player? He's a very good fullback. Full of energy, defends well and attacks well too, he can actually cross the ball and would be a huge upgrade over Grygera.

    Also, he is a better option than Motta imo. He is a more balanced player, equally good going forward and defensively.
    I never liked him TBH, well...I linked him only once I saw him actually. I've never been impressed with him. He's dynamic but I don't see him to be a top club player really. I think Motta is better going forward who's likely to improve more if gets a chance.
     

    Fred

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    I never liked him TBH, well...I linked him only once I saw him actually. I've never been impressed with him. He's dynamic but I don't see him to be a top club player really. I think Motta is better going forward who's likely to improve more if gets a chance.

    Like i said Licht is the more balanced player, Motta might be better going forward, but Licht is the better defender. I still think he is second only to Maicon in the Serie A.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    Like i said Licht is the more balanced player, Motta might be better going forward, but Licht is the better defender. I still think he is second only to Maicon in the Serie A.
    It only says how weak the league really is. :p

    But really, you can't even compare him to anyone in Serie A. People used to say the same for De Silvestri.
     
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