The verdict - Calciopoli charges announced (63 Viewers)
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thats just absurd, if they(UEFA) r concerned soo much abt the scandal then they should've intervened before that. They just left italy sort itself out and then they say they wont respect it's decision ? Thats stupid.Either ban them overall, irrelevent of the verdict, or just wait to see who the italian federation would propose to play in europe
Amenisty is not a ridiculous idea IMO for couple of reasons.
There is no doubt that Juve FC and its shareholder benefited to large extent from the Calcipoli scandal. However, it is also important to remember that the management team was the real benefitor and instigator of the system. Obviously, the shareholders should be penalized for their failure to exert due dilligence but one should distinguish the charges to shareholders and management team.
Under the current proposals, it is the fans and shareholders that suffer most and let management team, the real guilty party, off the hook too lightly.
The charges of 5 year ban from soccer and couple of thousands pounds to a set of people whose image has been so tarnished that they won't likely to find job in the game ever again & earnt millions from this scandal already can hardly be considered a penalty. Oh yeah, Moggi earnt more money off Juve and its fans by signing stiffs like Baiocco than the amount he has to pay through fine. What they deserve is a couple of years in jail for the sporting fraud. And lets not get into Kaka case. The question is why should the fans suffer most?
Also, why should foreign teams whose track record is almost if not more dodgier than Juve *cough* Real *cough* should benefit and not Italian citizens in general, who were real the suffers of the Calcipoli scandal?
Do people not realize that Juve is more or less finished if they are demoted. Moreover, Italian league is all but done despite more cleaned up image, if its big teams looses its values. Foreign press will give you a good lip service or two, but most of the fans will switch their tv into EPL and Spanish League - Ironically these are countries whose media is looking for blood in Serie A.
Beside, suppose that Juve, Milan et al get taken over by Russian Oil barons for their financial difficulty, is it ok to accept to dirty money earnt by cartel during privation in Russia, which is equivalent to stealing off billions of dollars from average Russian which could have been invested to provide education, basic health and education, and yet penalize what is in reality a petty sporting fraud?
For all I know stealing billions and denying people basic utilities is far more serious crime than arranging a few game of football matches.
And where was UEFA when it was blatantly clear Real received a more blatan favoritism than current Juve during the Franco period? I have seen couple of past Real-Barca duels where a referee's decision to turn blind eye to Iluliano's challange on Ronaldo looks like a quite an effort by referee to make game look fair. Oh yeah, there was a bit of dodgy badly disguised financial grant issue that wasn't tackled properly in the case of Real in 2000. To be fair, I can understand their need for Real Madrid to be in the competition year in year out.
I am not advocating that Juve should not penalized. What the management team did was wrong and we should pay the penalty accordingly so. The real issue which nobody is getting at the moment is that the current proposal is unfair and there are ways in which both the football club, especially the fans, and others to benefit. No fans asked for cheating, and they shouldn't be the ones who bear the cost of cheating. But it seems people are so hooked up with the precedural justice ATM that they are not fully aware of the eventual consequences which demotion will bring. Some people may be happy to each whatever justice they believe in, but there are people out there (fans) who have to live with decisions.
Furthermore, the critical issue is not penalizing the guilty teams, but ensuring that such scandal does not arrise again. In addition to that, putting a system to ensure less fouls, less croud violence and more attacking plays in Serie A would not be too bad. Having watched teams like Chelsea rise to fame in short time, I have decided that very few people, whether you are from Italia or England or USA etc, in actual fact care, especially the media, about the ethics. Fans don't really give a shit how their team gets their money from and where they invest it as long as they get a good enjoyment from watching a game of soccer.
In this respect, I think the correct sentence is to exercise some intelligence and try to find another way to penalize the guilty parties in the trial.
Appropriate sentence would be IMO, a donation of 30-50% of company's pre scandal market value to UNESCO, Non-Profit Agencies, and UEFA and FIFA in aid to develop soccer worldwide, & couple of years setence in jail for Moggi and co would be just right.
There is no doubt that Juve FC and its shareholder benefited to large extent from the Calcipoli scandal. However, it is also important to remember that the management team was the real benefitor and instigator of the system. Obviously, the shareholders should be penalized for their failure to exert due dilligence but one should distinguish the charges to shareholders and management team.
Under the current proposals, it is the fans and shareholders that suffer most and let management team, the real guilty party, off the hook too lightly.
The charges of 5 year ban from soccer and couple of thousands pounds to a set of people whose image has been so tarnished that they won't likely to find job in the game ever again & earnt millions from this scandal already can hardly be considered a penalty. Oh yeah, Moggi earnt more money off Juve and its fans by signing stiffs like Baiocco than the amount he has to pay through fine. What they deserve is a couple of years in jail for the sporting fraud. And lets not get into Kaka case. The question is why should the fans suffer most?
Also, why should foreign teams whose track record is almost if not more dodgier than Juve *cough* Real *cough* should benefit and not Italian citizens in general, who were real the suffers of the Calcipoli scandal?
Do people not realize that Juve is more or less finished if they are demoted. Moreover, Italian league is all but done despite more cleaned up image, if its big teams looses its values. Foreign press will give you a good lip service or two, but most of the fans will switch their tv into EPL and Spanish League - Ironically these are countries whose media is looking for blood in Serie A.
Beside, suppose that Juve, Milan et al get taken over by Russian Oil barons for their financial difficulty, is it ok to accept to dirty money earnt by cartel during privation in Russia, which is equivalent to stealing off billions of dollars from average Russian which could have been invested to provide education, basic health and education, and yet penalize what is in reality a petty sporting fraud?
For all I know stealing billions and denying people basic utilities is far more serious crime than arranging a few game of football matches.
And where was UEFA when it was blatantly clear Real received a more blatan favoritism than current Juve during the Franco period? I have seen couple of past Real-Barca duels where a referee's decision to turn blind eye to Iluliano's challange on Ronaldo looks like a quite an effort by referee to make game look fair. Oh yeah, there was a bit of dodgy badly disguised financial grant issue that wasn't tackled properly in the case of Real in 2000. To be fair, I can understand their need for Real Madrid to be in the competition year in year out.
I am not advocating that Juve should not penalized. What the management team did was wrong and we should pay the penalty accordingly so. The real issue which nobody is getting at the moment is that the current proposal is unfair and there are ways in which both the football club, especially the fans, and others to benefit. No fans asked for cheating, and they shouldn't be the ones who bear the cost of cheating. But it seems people are so hooked up with the precedural justice ATM that they are not fully aware of the eventual consequences which demotion will bring. Some people may be happy to each whatever justice they believe in, but there are people out there (fans) who have to live with decisions.
Furthermore, the critical issue is not penalizing the guilty teams, but ensuring that such scandal does not arrise again. In addition to that, putting a system to ensure less fouls, less croud violence and more attacking plays in Serie A would not be too bad. Having watched teams like Chelsea rise to fame in short time, I have decided that very few people, whether you are from Italia or England or USA etc, in actual fact care, especially the media, about the ethics. Fans don't really give a shit how their team gets their money from and where they invest it as long as they get a good enjoyment from watching a game of soccer.
In this respect, I think the correct sentence is to exercise some intelligence and try to find another way to penalize the guilty parties in the trial.
Appropriate sentence would be IMO, a donation of 30-50% of company's pre scandal market value to UNESCO, Non-Profit Agencies, and UEFA and FIFA in aid to develop soccer worldwide, & couple of years setence in jail for Moggi and co would be just right.
hey serie b wont be so bad. We would still be in the Coppa and in with a chance of a silver star should we win our tenth cup and a Uefa cup spot. We havent won one if those for a while.:eyebrows:
It will also be good for the youth to get a run about in serie b and get a bit of experience. I feel good about the change
It will also be good for the youth to get a run about in serie b and get a bit of experience. I feel good about the change
