The verdict - Calciopoli charges announced (24 Viewers)

Morra10

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italian clubs hope World Cup win will bring leniency

ROME, July 11 (Reuters) - Italy's World Cup triumph fuelled demands on Tuesday for the four top clubs caught up in a match-fixing scandal to be treated leniently.


The verdict of a sports tribunal investigating the murky affair had been expected the day after the victorious Azzurri returned home from Germany to a heroes' welcome.

The Italian Football Federation (FIGC) now says there is 'no certainty' about the timing of the verdicts that could lead to the relegation of Juventus, AC Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio.

Local media speculated that the tribunal's rulings could come as late as Friday or Saturday, allowing Italians more time to revel in Sunday's penalty shootout win over France.

Justice Minister Clemente Mastella called for a judgment that 'takes into account the victory in Berlin'.

'Let's do what they did in ancient Rome: whoever has given us prestige and dignity should be treated differently, as one who has done something exemplary,' Mastella said.

Former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, owner of AC Milan, argued that relegation would hurt fans the most.

'We can't penalise the fans. The individuals should be punished, not the clubs,' he said.

Champions Juventus risk relegation to the third division if found guilty of trying to influence the appointment of match officials for games during the 2004-05 season.

'As a fan, I fear we risk the third division and I invoke the clemency of the tribunal,' said Piero Fassino, head of the Democrats of the Left, one of the ruling coalition parties.

AC Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio face possible relegation to the second tier Serie B while 26 individuals - including club and football federation officials, referees and linesmen - risk bans from their nation's favourite sport.
Italy's World Cup victory in 1982 was followed by an amnesty for those banned after a betting scandal two years earlier.

Despite the outburst of national pride over the World Cup win, the chances of an amnesty appear less certain this time.

FIGC commissioner Guido Rossi has consistently ruled out the possibility of an amnesty and many fans believe Italy's Cup win will not soften the sentences handed down by the tribunal.

'I don't think it will have much of an effect. I'm just hoping they don't come down too hard on Lazio,' said Manuel De Paolis, 19, a supporter of the Rome-based club.

'They don't seem to be as involved as the other teams. We'll just have to see.'
 

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d.nico

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Apr 23, 2003
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Jun-hide said:
Amenisty is not a ridiculous idea IMO for couple of reasons.

There is no doubt that Juve FC and its shareholder benefited to large extent from the Calcipoli scandal. However, it is also important to remember that the management team was the real benefitor and instigator of the system. Obviously, the shareholders should be penalized for their failure to exert due dilligence but one should distinguish the charges to shareholders and management team.
Under the current proposals, it is the fans and shareholders that suffer most and let management team, the real guilty party, off the hook too lightly.
The charges of 5 year ban from soccer and couple of thousands pounds to a set of people whose image has been so tarnished that they won't likely to find job in the game ever again & earnt millions from this scandal already can hardly be considered a penalty. Oh yeah, Moggi earnt more money off Juve and its fans by signing stiffs like Baiocco than the amount he has to pay through fine. What they deserve is a couple of years in jail for the sporting fraud. And lets not get into Kaka case. The question is why should the fans suffer most?

Also, why should foreign teams whose track record is almost if not more dodgier than Juve *cough* Real *cough* should benefit and not Italian citizens in general, who were real the suffers of the Calcipoli scandal?
Do people not realize that Juve is more or less finished if they are demoted. Moreover, Italian league is all but done despite more cleaned up image, if its big teams looses its values. Foreign press will give you a good lip service or two, but most of the fans will switch their tv into EPL and Spanish League - Ironically these are countries whose media is looking for blood in Serie A.
Beside, suppose that Juve, Milan et al get taken over by Russian Oil barons for their financial difficulty, is it ok to accept to dirty money earnt by cartel during privation in Russia, which is equivalent to stealing off billions of dollars from average Russian which could have been invested to provide education, basic health and education, and yet penalize what is in reality a petty sporting fraud?
For all I know stealing billions and denying people basic utilities is far more serious crime than arranging a few game of football matches.

And where was UEFA when it was blatantly clear Real received a more blatan favoritism than current Juve during the Franco period? I have seen couple of past Real-Barca duels where a referee's decision to turn blind eye to Iluliano's challange on Ronaldo looks like a quite an effort by referee to make game look fair. Oh yeah, there was a bit of dodgy badly disguised financial grant issue that wasn't tackled properly in the case of Real in 2000. To be fair, I can understand their need for Real Madrid to be in the competition year in year out.

I am not advocating that Juve should not penalized. What the management team did was wrong and we should pay the penalty accordingly so. The real issue which nobody is getting at the moment is that the current proposal is unfair and there are ways in which both the football club, especially the fans, and others to benefit. No fans asked for cheating, and they shouldn't be the ones who bear the cost of cheating. But it seems people are so hooked up with the precedural justice ATM that they are not fully aware of the eventual consequences which demotion will bring. Some people may be happy to each whatever justice they believe in, but there are people out there (fans) who have to live with decisions.

Furthermore, the critical issue is not penalizing the guilty teams, but ensuring that such scandal does not arrise again. In addition to that, putting a system to ensure less fouls, less croud violence and more attacking plays in Serie A would not be too bad. Having watched teams like Chelsea rise to fame in short time, I have decided that very few people, whether you are from Italia or England or USA etc, in actual fact care, especially the media, about the ethics. Fans don't really give a shit how their team gets their money from and where they invest it as long as they get a good enjoyment from watching a game of soccer.

In this respect, I think the correct sentence is to exercise some intelligence and try to find another way to penalize the guilty parties in the trial.
Appropriate sentence would be IMO, a donation of 30-50% of company's pre scandal market value to UNESCO, Non-Profit Agencies, and UEFA and FIFA in aid to develop soccer worldwide, & couple of years setence in jail for Moggi and co would be just right.
:tup: where have you been?
 

K0STA

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Jul 12, 2006
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THE PLAYERS ARE ITSELF INNONCENT! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT! AND THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MOGGI's or WHOEVER's NEGOTIATIONS!
IT WILL BE VERY CRUEL TO PUNISH WHOLE TEAM WITH 18MLN FANS LIKE THIS!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!
 

K0STA

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Enron said:
The team benefited from the scam. So they should suffer, if the player don't want to suffer too, they should live.
Yeah, but the players alone are not a team... they should stay together...

You just imagine whole team broken... Half Juve to REAL half to some other club... I will probably die:(((((((
 

Everblue

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Jul 12, 2006
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It seems that loads of players are going to Real Madrid. It is interesting that 'Buffon is going to Milan'. This means only one thing - only Juventus are going to be penalized!!! (by taking them to Serie B or C).
 

K0STA

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Everblue said:
It seems that loads of players are going to Real Madrid. It is interesting that 'Buffon is going to Milan'. This means only one thing - only Juventus are going to be penalized!!! (by taking them to Serie B or C).
Shame on GIGI if he goes to MILAN:(
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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d.nico said:
:tup: where have you been?
Indeed, Jun-hide seems to only appear in the summers. He probably has too much a life to be bothered by this forum during the rest of the year :D.

Love his insightful posts though.



bianconero said:
Do you, do you really.

Ah, this is the age of enlightenment.
bianconero, you seem to be well-informed usually. What punishement do you reckon we'll get and what do you think would be fair?
 

K0STA

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Jul 12, 2006
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Dominic said:
Indeed, Jun-hide seems to only appear in the summers. He probably has too much a life to be bothered by this forum during the rest of the year :D.

Love his insightful posts though.





bianconero, you seem to be well-informed usually. What punishement do you reckon we'll get and what do you think would be fair?
FAIR PUNSHMENT: PERSONAL PUNISHMENTS TO ALL INVOLVED + JUVE -30pts (SERIE A) :D
 

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