The US is becoming Europe (and maybe that's a bad thing) (1 Viewer)

[Hængebøffer]

I was thinking could the white walkers be symbolism for the plague, you know dead bodies killing people, and instead of the whole azor ahai/magic solution it is the mesters(science) that will save the day

There's a theory they want to get ridning everything which is supernatural and science should rule.

 

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[KB824]

Lately the US has started to look a lot like Europe.

I refer to: increased racial tension, a shift to the left, the rise of the far left and far right, aggressive pursuit of third political parties and candidates, a tendency to protest at the drop of a hat, a rise in secularism, drop in religiosity, white indigenous populations that feel threatened by foreigners, an aggressive push for lax immigration policies, greater humanitarian concerns, increased wine consumption, rise in circulation-stifling trouser sales, etc.

Now you'll look at me and say "Wow what an ignorant picture of Europe you have." Before your rendition of an apologia for the motherland.

And maybe you're right. Maybe you're more than right, maybe the US is actually progressing, in a Hegelian sort of way (yeah right).

But even so, isn't it sad? There was something unique and quaint about the United States. Something distinct and appreciable about a culture and lifestyle tinted with the hue of Americana.

And we're losing it now. We're losing the cowboy, the muscle car. The rock-flag-and-eagle. The country music. The slow hillbilly twang, the southern drawl. Mom and pop diners, banjos, pickup trucks and yeehaws.

It wasn't perfect by any means. But it was one of a kind.

And it's going away. That's sad.

As a proud American, let me say that I would have absolutely no problem if we lost this

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I can't figure out which weird-fuck, old school Tuz user this is. His verbiage reminds me of that Milan fan "Der Kaiser" or whatever the fuck his name is.

He is who he is. He never changed his name

 

[Post Ironic]

Have you ever been to Europe? This is a serious question. Because as a European I can tell you that the US is still very much American. You need not look further than the gun debate to come to that realization.

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Americans don't even know what socialism is in the first place.

In America socialism and communism are interchangeable terms.

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As a proud American, let me say that I would have absolutely no problem if we lost this

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He is who he is. He never changed his name

You don't like bluegrass music?

 

[lgorTudor]

There's a theory they want to get ridning everything which is supernatural and science should rule.

I heard Richard Dawkins is part of Season 7 cast

 

[KB824]

In America socialism and communism are interchangeable terms.

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You don't like bluegrass music?

Hell no.

It's ok, man.

 

[Martin]

Could be a great thing. Could be a terrible thing.

Which part of Europe are you shooting for?

 

[Post Ironic]

Hell no.

It's ok, man.

 

[Layce Erayce]

Have you ever been to Europe? This is a serious question. Because as a European I can tell you that the US is still very much American. You need not look further than the gun debate to come to that realization.

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Americans don't even know what socialism is in the first place.

I should have mentioned the gun debate as well, on which as I perceive it, the US is leaning left as well. The emotional weight of mass shootings (so far as a single event where ten people die carries more weight than ten events where one person each dies) is winning the battle against the NRA in the media.

"Increased racial tension"

wat

Black lives matter.

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Thanks for the laugh, but what a terrible attempt at trolling.

Maybe you just don't live in the United States and have no idea.

 

[Seven]

I should have mentioned the gun debate as well, on which as I perceive it, the US is leaning left as well. The emotional weight of mass shootings (so far as a single event where ten people die carries more weight than ten events where one person each dies) is winning the battle against the NRA in the media.



Black lives matter.

You have no idea what Europeans think about this 'debate'. Basically we don't understand why it exists as every statistic out there says that with proper gun control gun related deaths go down.

Stuff like what the Donald said after the Orlando shooting is just.. Ugh.

Trust me, you're nothing like Europe.

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[Hængebøffer]

Huh? American left has nothing to do with "European" left (why do people still compare, when Europe isn't a country?).

 

[Seven]

Huh? American left has nothing to do with "European" left (why do people still compare, when Europe isn't a country?).

Compared to the US Europeans do think alike on several issues. Also, Americans are truly clueless on this.

 

[Layce Erayce]

You have no idea what Europeans think about this 'debate'. Basically we don't understand why it exists as every statistic out there says that with proper gun control gun related deaths go down.

Stuff like what the Donald said after the Orlando shooting is just.. Ugh.

Trust me, you're nothing like Europe.

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You don't understand what exists? Guns? Or the second amendment?

 

[Seven]

You don't understand what exists? Guns? Or the second amendment?

Why it's a debate. And why something that is called an amendment in the first place cannot be changed.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Compared to the US Europeans do think alike on several issues. Also, Americans are truly clueless on this.

Like what? We're different as fuck.

 

[Seven]

Like what? We're different as fuck.

Like we pretty much all think it's a bad idea that everyone has semi automatic rifles at home.

Also, if you buy something called 'cheese' in Europe, it is always actual cheese, no matter where in Europe you buy it.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Like we pretty much all think it's a bad idea that everyone has semi automatic rifles at home.

Also, if you buy something called 'cheese' in Europe, it is always actual cheese, no matter where in Europe you buy it.

That's just small differences. The point is that they're more alike as a group. Americans never had Marxistic debate, though. That has got to be the biggest difference.

 

[Seven]

That's just small differences. The point is that they're more alike as a group. Americans never had Marxistic debate, though. That has got to be the biggest difference.

Have you ever been to the US? Because I love the place but to me it is much more foreign and weird than let's say Italy, France, Holland or Germany.

Of course Europeans are all different. And I'd never use Europe the way Layce did here, but there are some similarities.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Have you ever been to the US? Because I love the place but to me it is much more foreign and weird than let's say Italy, France, Holland or Germany.

Of course Europeans are all different. And I'd never use Europe the way Layce did here, but there are some similarities.

Dude, I think people are weird, when I go outside the city I live in. But I haven't travelled much in The States, so I can't tell. I still think it's retarded to talk about Europe like one country. I know they're different from state to state, over there, but they're still one country. The big difference between Europe and The USA is the view on capitalism and socialism - nothing else. Imo, comparing a Dane to a Spanish person is weider than comparing a New Yorker to a Southern person.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/index.html
u wont see this in europe tho

 

[Layce Erayce]

Why it's a debate. And why something that is called an amendment in the first place cannot be changed.

The legal framework of the United States rests on the constitution. The Constitution enshrines the right of the citizenry to keep and bear arms. Why?

The primary motivation was the awareness of oppression and persecution of the people by power in Europe (many settlers came to the United States to escape precisely this). The framers wanted to protect the rights of the citizenry and prevent this from happening again.

Obviously there are more details to fill in, such as the tension between state and federal powers, the influence of English common law, the notion of the free person as more fundamental than the state, etc.

But this is the historical context, so far as I understand it. And for the people of the time, in fact for any group of people who are relatively uniform in motivation and values, they can be trusted with this kind of right.

Unfortunately we live in a different time today. The culture and lifestyle is different. And it's natural to ask whether the assumptions made at the time of adoption really carry over today.

Many people think that the motivations still matter: It's still important to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals, that the balance of power between persons and the state needs to be safeguarded, etc. That people need to have the freedom to take on the duty of self-defense if they want to or need to, rather than being dependent, without choice, on the government.

I, and many others, think these motivations are important. However, I also believe these considerations are not the most important. They can be overruled by more pressing issues, one of them being a widespread and pervasive abuse of this right.

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