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am being really realistic here in saying that although those suggestions would be great but i dont see them happening at all.
No team would just throw away many players in one season and bring in a new bunch. I dont see it very effective, i mean just look at inter for the past 5-7 years.
Like moggi or not, he always aims for having a stable team as well as many coaches over the years. Stability is big issue for any team, and if u could examine teams that had a large change over ratio every year or even in a relative period then u would find that they r not as successfull to stable teams.
So mybe the plan could backfire after all...
for me i would rather get small players, not the big names.
i see things unfolding next year like this :
- am almost certain that one big name is leaving juve but who is it i dont know...i just hope its not zambro,canna, or most importantly gigi.
-we already got marchionni and i just heard about c.zanetti and possibly Antonioli. All three r great imo.So grazie moggi.
-Looks like blasi is leaving although i personally wouldn't like to see that happen.I expect some good things from the 25 yr old. He thought that he could get his chance mybe next season in either the midfield or RB, but his chance in midfield is almost 0% and in RB is minimal as well as there is already balza and zambo for next season for sure and they come ahead of him as they r natural full backs. But i just hope he doesnt leave
-Some players r coming in especially a CB. Who ? thats for moggi+the manager to decide.
A midfielder as well, possibly a creative one.Again who ? i dont know
No team would just throw away many players in one season and bring in a new bunch. I dont see it very effective, i mean just look at inter for the past 5-7 years.
Like moggi or not, he always aims for having a stable team as well as many coaches over the years. Stability is big issue for any team, and if u could examine teams that had a large change over ratio every year or even in a relative period then u would find that they r not as successfull to stable teams.
So mybe the plan could backfire after all...
for me i would rather get small players, not the big names.
i see things unfolding next year like this :
- am almost certain that one big name is leaving juve but who is it i dont know...i just hope its not zambro,canna, or most importantly gigi.
-we already got marchionni and i just heard about c.zanetti and possibly Antonioli. All three r great imo.So grazie moggi.
-Looks like blasi is leaving although i personally wouldn't like to see that happen.I expect some good things from the 25 yr old. He thought that he could get his chance mybe next season in either the midfield or RB, but his chance in midfield is almost 0% and in RB is minimal as well as there is already balza and zambo for next season for sure and they come ahead of him as they r natural full backs. But i just hope he doesnt leave
-Some players r coming in especially a CB. Who ? thats for moggi+the manager to decide.
A midfielder as well, possibly a creative one.Again who ? i dont know
exactly lippi was a fantastic coach but his time has come, we need fresh blood and new ideas to progress, juventus has become stale and stuck in defensive mode
agreed we are extremely one dimensional in attack and have become to easy to stop,teams are letting vieira and emerson play the ball and shutting down the flanks leaving us bereft of ideas
unfortunately hiddink has just agreed to take over the running of the russian national team so he is out of the queston
for me it should be spaletti or preferably prandelli,these are the two outstanding candidates for the job, gthe only thing going against them at the moment is their lack of silverware as coaches and we know the triade are not that interested in taking risks
one last thing that came to my attention a few months back was an interview with arsene wenger, he was unsure of his future at arsenal once they move to the new stadium. he feels he will have taken them on to the next level and as far as he can take them, howbver now he has started to mould a new team i am niot so sure he could be tempted away but if there was even the slightest chance he could be tempted i would move heaven and earth to secure his services
agreed we are extremely one dimensional in attack and have become to easy to stop,teams are letting vieira and emerson play the ball and shutting down the flanks leaving us bereft of ideas
unfortunately hiddink has just agreed to take over the running of the russian national team so he is out of the queston
for me it should be spaletti or preferably prandelli,these are the two outstanding candidates for the job, gthe only thing going against them at the moment is their lack of silverware as coaches and we know the triade are not that interested in taking risks
one last thing that came to my attention a few months back was an interview with arsene wenger, he was unsure of his future at arsenal once they move to the new stadium. he feels he will have taken them on to the next level and as far as he can take them, howbver now he has started to mould a new team i am niot so sure he could be tempted away but if there was even the slightest chance he could be tempted i would move heaven and earth to secure his services
I think that Capello's main problem is his inssistance of playing 4-4-2 even of the players cannot support such a formation. He is not willing to change it to 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 according to the state of health or the opponent team.
Add to that featuring unfit players, Zebina, Zlatan, Del Piero ..etc which either caused recurance of injury as in Del Piero and Zebina or delay in reaching optimum physical streangth as in Zlatan.
Favouring players such as Zlatan and even more dramatically Zebina where negletcting in form players like Mutu, Del Piero, Chielini and Balzaretti.
Made Juventus Vieira dependant. If vieira is off form we are impotant. I predicted this early in the season when Vieira was playing amazingly. He got suspended for one game and we were not able to do anything. Many said next game we will be back on track with vieira playing. I said well thats the point we have great players why become dependant on one player who's only been with the team for less than 2 months.
Just look at Capello's main formation:
------------------------ Buffon
Zebina ----- Thuram ---- Cannavaro --- Zambrotta
Camoranesi --- Emerson -- Vieira ---- Nedved
---------Trezeguet -------- Ibrahimovic
Deffensively:
CBs and DMs working together with SBs supporting from the sides.
So if the DMs are not working properly, as in Vieira not deffending and blocking offences the CBs will get abused. His deffensive plan B is that the SBs cover up the mess the DMs do. So whenever Vieira is off form, Zambrotta or/and Zebina are covering for him.
Offensively:
Depends on corsses from the pronouced wings and penetrations from a DM (aka Vieira since he is the only potentially creative DM we have). The aim of all our attaks is to reach our hitman David. Meaning all attacks have to end with him. Our attacks do not depend on central play making and shooting as much as wing crosses, and DM long balls. Which is ok.
Now this is his tactics. Plain and simple. We all said ok sounds good. Well it does not. The flaws are:
A- Zebina is not a player to depend on neither offensively nor deffensively.
B- Emerson is not God.
C- 100% depending on Vieira's form. If he is off form or not playing we are fucked. No proper long balls nor proper penetration. Thats because he is our only potentially creative midfielders.
When Vieira got off form the deffensive role and offesnive role got affected:
A- Offesnively:
The team started depending on Ibra who is not a creative player as much as a talented forward. Camoranesi started to drift into the midfield which left the flanks wide open. A gap was clear between the forwards and the midfield which was high aparent when the forwards lose the ball there is no immediate recoverey of posession. What made things go even worse, Zlatan got injured (+ him not being really onform). Capello instead of resting him till he recovers he continued to play with him as a primary choice. Which saw him limping out of the field few times in raw.
Whenever Del Piero was/is on the field, he creates more trouble to the opponent deffense because he is a creative player. When needed he can play as an offensive midfielder or a wide striker (as with NT). Add to that his extraordianry gift in finishing and set pieces.
Capello inssists on playing a flat 4-4-2 although the player this formation depend on (vieira) is off form and cannot serve this formation. If he changed his formation into 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 we would have done much better because then we wouldn't have to depend on Vieira.
B- Deffensively:
Vieira's off form series started with him losing his offensive creativity and strikers support. His deffensive role was not that much dependant. it was affected never the less. Things started to deteruate fast. He started to gain a card on every game. Emerson started to carry vieira's deffensive load, which saw him getting exhausted easily. Now since Vieira is not working offensively properly why didn't we use Giannichedda more often. He is deffensively better. Hell whenever he played our midfield was better offensively. So we did not use giannichedda, which has put load on the flanks. Whenever Zebina played we were like playing with 9 men rather than 11 (since vieira and Zebina are not doing anything). This caused leaking goals. Teams capable of pressing on us because we do not have proper DMs although we have two on the field (but not functioning). We could not attack because we did not have a pronounce offensive midfielder + playing unfit player like Ibra caused worsening of the situation.
This all was reflected on Del Piero. This made him the only hope. Because with his experience he can adapt to the match and go wide outside capello's formations and tactics to what suites the game. And this is the reason why we cannot score if he is not on the field. He has the experience and the creativity to pick Juve up and attack opponent teams.
This year we had the players to win the Champion's league, something we did not have during the past 10 years. Unfortunately our coach was not flexible enough to make it happen. Saying he is a terrible coach is not right. Saying he failed in capturing his target due to his rigidity and stubborness is absolutely spot on. Capello wants to play a formation that the squad he has at the moment are not capable to perform, instead of playing other formation that the squad can play and can win with it every single game.
Who agrees?
Add to that featuring unfit players, Zebina, Zlatan, Del Piero ..etc which either caused recurance of injury as in Del Piero and Zebina or delay in reaching optimum physical streangth as in Zlatan.
Favouring players such as Zlatan and even more dramatically Zebina where negletcting in form players like Mutu, Del Piero, Chielini and Balzaretti.
Made Juventus Vieira dependant. If vieira is off form we are impotant. I predicted this early in the season when Vieira was playing amazingly. He got suspended for one game and we were not able to do anything. Many said next game we will be back on track with vieira playing. I said well thats the point we have great players why become dependant on one player who's only been with the team for less than 2 months.
Just look at Capello's main formation:
------------------------ Buffon
Zebina ----- Thuram ---- Cannavaro --- Zambrotta
Camoranesi --- Emerson -- Vieira ---- Nedved
---------Trezeguet -------- Ibrahimovic
Deffensively:
CBs and DMs working together with SBs supporting from the sides.
So if the DMs are not working properly, as in Vieira not deffending and blocking offences the CBs will get abused. His deffensive plan B is that the SBs cover up the mess the DMs do. So whenever Vieira is off form, Zambrotta or/and Zebina are covering for him.
Offensively:
Depends on corsses from the pronouced wings and penetrations from a DM (aka Vieira since he is the only potentially creative DM we have). The aim of all our attaks is to reach our hitman David. Meaning all attacks have to end with him. Our attacks do not depend on central play making and shooting as much as wing crosses, and DM long balls. Which is ok.
Now this is his tactics. Plain and simple. We all said ok sounds good. Well it does not. The flaws are:
A- Zebina is not a player to depend on neither offensively nor deffensively.
B- Emerson is not God.
C- 100% depending on Vieira's form. If he is off form or not playing we are fucked. No proper long balls nor proper penetration. Thats because he is our only potentially creative midfielders.
When Vieira got off form the deffensive role and offesnive role got affected:
A- Offesnively:
The team started depending on Ibra who is not a creative player as much as a talented forward. Camoranesi started to drift into the midfield which left the flanks wide open. A gap was clear between the forwards and the midfield which was high aparent when the forwards lose the ball there is no immediate recoverey of posession. What made things go even worse, Zlatan got injured (+ him not being really onform). Capello instead of resting him till he recovers he continued to play with him as a primary choice. Which saw him limping out of the field few times in raw.
Whenever Del Piero was/is on the field, he creates more trouble to the opponent deffense because he is a creative player. When needed he can play as an offensive midfielder or a wide striker (as with NT). Add to that his extraordianry gift in finishing and set pieces.
Capello inssists on playing a flat 4-4-2 although the player this formation depend on (vieira) is off form and cannot serve this formation. If he changed his formation into 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 we would have done much better because then we wouldn't have to depend on Vieira.
B- Deffensively:
Vieira's off form series started with him losing his offensive creativity and strikers support. His deffensive role was not that much dependant. it was affected never the less. Things started to deteruate fast. He started to gain a card on every game. Emerson started to carry vieira's deffensive load, which saw him getting exhausted easily. Now since Vieira is not working offensively properly why didn't we use Giannichedda more often. He is deffensively better. Hell whenever he played our midfield was better offensively. So we did not use giannichedda, which has put load on the flanks. Whenever Zebina played we were like playing with 9 men rather than 11 (since vieira and Zebina are not doing anything). This caused leaking goals. Teams capable of pressing on us because we do not have proper DMs although we have two on the field (but not functioning). We could not attack because we did not have a pronounce offensive midfielder + playing unfit player like Ibra caused worsening of the situation.
This all was reflected on Del Piero. This made him the only hope. Because with his experience he can adapt to the match and go wide outside capello's formations and tactics to what suites the game. And this is the reason why we cannot score if he is not on the field. He has the experience and the creativity to pick Juve up and attack opponent teams.
This year we had the players to win the Champion's league, something we did not have during the past 10 years. Unfortunately our coach was not flexible enough to make it happen. Saying he is a terrible coach is not right. Saying he failed in capturing his target due to his rigidity and stubborness is absolutely spot on. Capello wants to play a formation that the squad he has at the moment are not capable to perform, instead of playing other formation that the squad can play and can win with it every single game.
Who agrees?
You have made some very good points there. The weakness is also highlighted on transfer markets, where good and loyal players that demonstrates true fighting spirit such as Tacchinardi and Maresca r loaded off and we obtain players such as Zanetti that adds nothing to the team at all. He only trusts his players instead of using what is put in front of him, and what's worse, they put them in his tactics, and not nurturing their talents, from the points u stated. It is like Capello only trusts certain players despite their capabilities.
Under Capello it is very important to score a goal 1st and the other team cannot score. The problem is that we seriously lack creativity. We only managed to get past weak teams but when we play against strong teams such as Arsenal and Bayern, we fail. It is like we cannot get back to our feet and attack them. Due to the lack of creativity, we have to go for long balls for teams that r so experienced in it. Also we lack fast players that r able to run and pounce on the defence upon receiving a through pass.
Everybody agrees, except Capello himself.
Under Capello it is very important to score a goal 1st and the other team cannot score. The problem is that we seriously lack creativity. We only managed to get past weak teams but when we play against strong teams such as Arsenal and Bayern, we fail. It is like we cannot get back to our feet and attack them. Due to the lack of creativity, we have to go for long balls for teams that r so experienced in it. Also we lack fast players that r able to run and pounce on the defence upon receiving a through pass.
Everybody agrees, except Capello himself.
Our problem is the flat stupid 442 formation... when Capello used 433 we overcome Real Madrid lead last year.
442 is no where near ideal for the players we have... I will give some examples according to my point of view:
Zambrotta: can anyone tell me that this is the same Zambrotta of Lippi's days? where is his offensive runs? playing 442 with wings is limiting his potential and abilities because with this formation we fully depend on wings to provide crosses and make attacking runs.
Zebina : No matter what is yar formation he will not fit in it... he wasn't destined at first place to become a football player.
Nedved: Neddy is the bigest victim of 442 tactic... playing him on wing is quite madness since ya will lose his long range shoots and ya will limit him in a position that needs dribbleing and crossing and Neddy is surely not a world beater in those categories.
Veira: leaving most of the dirty job to Emerson is like asking Veira to do the creativity part... we all know Veira is not Zidane nor Ronaldinho and not even a Gerrard when it came to creativity.
Zlatan: "ya should collect all the crosses our deffenders sent to ya then after ya control them it is better to convert them into magical goals GO VAN ZLATAN sorry zlatan" should I comment on this one ?
Thuram: obviously he is risking his starting 11 spot because he is not as good as Kovac in playing long balls to Zlatan
I believe 4231 is the best formation we can play... all we need is t relase Zebina and sign Mancini and suddenly we will have a varitey of options to choose from.
----------------------------Buffon
-----Mancini------Canna--------Thuram(Gallas)---Zambrotta
-----------------Emerson---------------Viera
------Mutu(Marchonini)----Neddy-------------DP
-----------------------------Trezeguet
442 is no where near ideal for the players we have... I will give some examples according to my point of view:
Zambrotta: can anyone tell me that this is the same Zambrotta of Lippi's days? where is his offensive runs? playing 442 with wings is limiting his potential and abilities because with this formation we fully depend on wings to provide crosses and make attacking runs.
Zebina : No matter what is yar formation he will not fit in it... he wasn't destined at first place to become a football player.
Nedved: Neddy is the bigest victim of 442 tactic... playing him on wing is quite madness since ya will lose his long range shoots and ya will limit him in a position that needs dribbleing and crossing and Neddy is surely not a world beater in those categories.
Veira: leaving most of the dirty job to Emerson is like asking Veira to do the creativity part... we all know Veira is not Zidane nor Ronaldinho and not even a Gerrard when it came to creativity.
Zlatan: "ya should collect all the crosses our deffenders sent to ya then after ya control them it is better to convert them into magical goals GO VAN ZLATAN sorry zlatan" should I comment on this one ?
Thuram: obviously he is risking his starting 11 spot because he is not as good as Kovac in playing long balls to Zlatan
I believe 4231 is the best formation we can play... all we need is t relase Zebina and sign Mancini and suddenly we will have a varitey of options to choose from.
----------------------------Buffon
-----Mancini------Canna--------Thuram(Gallas)---Zambrotta
-----------------Emerson---------------Viera
------Mutu(Marchonini)----Neddy-------------DP
-----------------------------Trezeguet
u made some valid points in a very good post.
- the flaws in the 4-4-2, well as there is flaws in the 4-4-2 there almost the same flaws in the 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 woulld be the same.
Both formations need neddy to be in the center, playing as a playmaker. Even in the Lippi days where there were many games that he played in that position, where were playing with the 4-4-2 and neddy would usually start on the right then drift to the center. That was then and this is now...there were at least 3-5 games this season where neddy was playing that free role and am sad to say that he failed. He doesnt go to the back and collect the ball to produce and most times his positioning has become horrible.
And if ur thinking about alex or mutu then the first has little pace and wouldn't help alot and the latter would have the same problems he showed on the wing.
- the flaws in the 4-4-2, well as there is flaws in the 4-4-2 there almost the same flaws in the 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 woulld be the same.
Both formations need neddy to be in the center, playing as a playmaker. Even in the Lippi days where there were many games that he played in that position, where were playing with the 4-4-2 and neddy would usually start on the right then drift to the center. That was then and this is now...there were at least 3-5 games this season where neddy was playing that free role and am sad to say that he failed. He doesnt go to the back and collect the ball to produce and most times his positioning has become horrible.
And if ur thinking about alex or mutu then the first has little pace and wouldn't help alot and the latter would have the same problems he showed on the wing.
Actually they were less than 5 games, and all were not in a raw. Meaning It was just Neddy's prefrences trying to make up for a teams situation. It was clear now over 2 seasons that Capello has asked Neddy to stay on the left, or sometimes on the right. Neddy is hardly shooting because he is away for the firing position.
You can't blame nedved for not performing well on central positions when he only played there for few matches that were sporadic and not under a proper formation by capello.
You can't blame nedved for not performing well on central positions when he only played there for few matches that were sporadic and not under a proper formation by capello.
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