The one and only Capello thread (3 Viewers)

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- vOnAm -

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Jul 22, 2004
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ZhiXin said:
Ancoletti did made an eye-glaring mistake of selling Henry and the performance of Juventus was not expected, but he did led his Milan to book a place in the CL finals. IMO he is more compromising to his players and rotate his squad frequently. TBH I think he moulded Pirlo, and gave new life to Cafu and Serginho. Sure some of his substitutions r weird, but I think if we look deeper, we may understand them

baggio, the word shouldn't be "some", it should be "most"
Cap did the same with Cannavaro...and about Pirlo, I think people give too much credit to Ancelloti for turning him into a defensive midfield playmaker....he already had a similar role playing behind baggio at brescia and often played the through balls from deep...this was when Toni was around...

They just took two different approaches to the game..Ancelloti more complex and attacking..while capello more simple and disciplined..

Cap breaks down defenses by breaking them down...
Anc breaks down dedenses by creative fluid movements..
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
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#85
joe5 said:
Because if we play with our Juventus B teams and win them so easy without any attempt then we cann't be so competitive at CL.
Do you know that you don't make sense?
 

venom

Senior Member
Oct 22, 2003
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PhRoZeN said:
:lol: anyone know what his currently doing? Sticking on the theme of former juventinos.. I know Ciro will get some valuable experinece as assistant to lippi in the WC. Anyone know what rampulla is upto?
Bit late but .. as Conte's Siena job has been already mentioned, Rampulla is currently schooling Scarzanella and Zattin (Primavera goalie coach).
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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#88
venom said:
Bit late but .. as Conte's Siena job has been already mentioned, Rampulla is currently schooling Scarzanella and Zattin (Primavera goalie coach).
Never late, thanks for the info :) +rep
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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#90
denco said:
Choice of manager should be interesting but i creatinly do not want Capello, i love Mourinho but not as manager of a team i watch as he too can be negative at times, even if tactically he has no peers, i still will not want him because i prefer simple football and tactics are a pain in the ass
I will go into more detail about managers in future
Make your mind up do you want it or not :p
 

jtedesco

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Apr 5, 2006
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2 scuadettos in a row and you still wanna fire him..... !!!

well if thats all you want from the old lady then go watch bowls or somthing plenty old ladies there. i dont i want to win coopa, scuadetto's and the champions league i pay to buy tickets i pay for my juve shirt i pay there wages by doing so i'm entitled to want them to win and if your a true fan you should be disgusted at the recent performance's there turning in to a pub team but no matter what haappens now or in the future i will always love juve
forza del piero and forza juve for life
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
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jtedesco said:
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Originally Posted by ahead
2 scuadettos in a row and you still wanna fire him..... !!!

well if thats all you want from the old lady then go watch bowls or somthing plenty old ladies there. i dont i want to win coopa, scuadetto's and the champions league i pay to buy tickets i pay for my juve shirt i pay there wages by doing so i'm entitled to want them to win and if your a true fan you should be disgusted at the recent performance's there turning in to a pub team but no matter what haappens now or in the future i will always love juve
forza del piero and forza juve for life
Well said...

I am assuming that you are a new poster but desperatly wants to get on the stupid bandwagon:D

Anyways welcome man:)
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
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denco said:
I am serious, i am offering my services to Juve as I am positive , my ideas of a squad is better than what we have now and will make a much better stab of things for Cl.
This is not arrogance or anything like that, I am not saying I am better than anyone, its football for crying out loud and its not science, i am not saving any lives and not helping the world.
What i do know is football and yes there are quite a number of people who know more than i do but I am confident in my abilities to spot talent irrespective of nationality and race.
Too many times I have read on here and i have had the distinct impression that people judge who is better by race and nationality and other stupid things. There was an arsehole on here whosaid African players are not good enough for Juve, funny he did not get banned but if Vinman or Andy vents out frustration, they get banned but i digress. Anyways its those so called inferior players who showed upJuve as Eboue and Toure made us look 3rd class. I have also read ppl saying Toure cannot be compared to Nesta, well i got news for ya, Nesta has been relatively poor for 2 seasons and whenever i watch Milan the more active centre back is kaladze, and i can count 20 centre backs better than kaladze
What am i saying this for, I am saying this because too many times people look at reputations and not fact and I am sure our management is like that
We are way too narrow minded in our choice of players

Lets get to the hub of the matter
1) Our manager is not what we need
You can argue all you like about what he has achieved in serieA but its neither here or there in Cl as we have been poor and at best avereage in Cl. Group matches as well as knockout. Some of his most staunch supporters are saying its because we are tired and if we met Arsenal earlier in the seasonit might have been different, to that i say, garbage, even when we were setting records in serieA we were still struggling to beat Rapid Vienna
You cannot be inflexible as Capello has been. You cannot keep on using 4-4-2 when we dont have the players to do so
How can a manager come out and say he picked a player like Kovac because he wanted the ball to be kicked quicker and higher to Zlatan?
When we play awfully he says we played well and thats vvery scary
For me , he has got to go and thats not negotiable
2) We need more creative players and we have to get rid of some players, it will not please some people but tough, for far too long we have been starved of decent football
3) We need to gain the respect of our rivals like Milan and others with our quality of play and not for the fact that referees or whoever help us win and that means better players
4 We need pace and energy as we sorely lack these qualities
Going about it
5 No way and i do not mean any disrespect for any team to have Dp and Nedved as their main men as this stage of their careers if you are serious about winning Cl. They are very important and i will try and keep them but not as first teamers
If our football was better and if we had players what people pay to watch, i am sure fans willcome and watch and we could get revenue from that

The players i will advise to get are thus
I will , if given the chance negotiate for Capello to go to Real Madrid in exchange for Salgado, Roberto Carlos and possibly Cassano
Yes some will ask Carlos, but Cole and Zambrotta aside, he is the best left back there is and he has pace and energy and I am not saying he should play every game but wont it be better if we had the option of Zambrotta, Carlos, Salgado thna what we have not with Zebina, Blasi etc

I will try and negotiate with Barcelona if they do get Henry and try and prise Etoo and Deco from them by offering Emerson and Kovac
Barcelona should not be allowed to have so many talents and you have to test the water.
Emerson is a great player but personally I dont see his worth in Cl, he is too slow and not that good a passer of the ball, serieA he is very good but if i was to pick either he os Vieira, i will pick Vieira simply because he will offer more and i am sure will have a better season next season but i dont want them both
I will try and make a deal with Chelsea by offering them Zlatan in exchange for Robben and Gallas
I will aso try and get the likes of Diarra from Lyon, with his team mate Juninho and also Riqelme

I will surprisingly to some keep Blasi , Giannichedda, Balzaretti, well all the Italian players
Blasi,I have ridiculed but to be fair , he does have energy and lets face it when you keep pairing him with Emerson and players like that, how will he improve. If gatusso was in Juve, his football technique would never have improved but it has playing with kaka , pirlo seedorf and co
We also need these players to play in matches in serieA so our big players do not suffer burn out
I will like to see Chiellini as a centre back as back up for Cannavaro
I will like for them to keep Thuram as well but not as first choice but to play as many matches as a second choice should
Choice of manager should be interesting but i creatinly do not want Capello, i love Mourinho but not as manager of a team i watch as he too can be negative at times, even if tactically he has no peers, i still will not want him because i prefer simple football and tactics are a pain in the ass
I will go into more detail about managers in future
Please feel free to contribute to this, with negativity at a minimun
Its easy to criticise, lets make a positive contribution for once and there is a proper way to do so
I wil like to hear suggestions of players you would like and why you think he is suitable
Enough of the boring trash we have been served for too long, lets help this club play great football while still win trophies and hopefully the Cl
man u always make a compelling argument, good post and here is wat i think abt it.

first of all i hope u were joking about being a coach cuz the pressure alone would've gotten to u in a couple of weeks.Although football isnt that hard, but its not as easy as u think especially these days when the millions came in. Look wat the pressure made of poor Mancini, he started out in Inter with a head full of black hair and now he looks like hes 90.

-Abt those ppl who judge players on their race, then i agree with u all the way, its just unacceptable.Its just a shame thats in our game today.

-abt toure and nesta, he is having a great season.But u cant just compare him to Nesta as nesta has this prescence about him.I dont know how or why. And remember that toure wasnt a standing figure in his national team or his club since his young age.U just cant compare a defender who had a few good years to a world class defender like Nesta.But if ur saying this season then toure does have a slight advantage.

-about cap, i agree about the need for a change as the guy looks like being here for long long year not just two.But if he stay i wont mind.
My question to u is this...why do many ppl always rate achieving a tough task like the scudetto as its nothing.
U cant deny that the team was tired. can u? but i wont use it as a major excuse to the lose and it is blamed on the coach.Also another thing is the coach's inflexibility.
another thing is the things he says, they r unrealistic..but i guess that hes trying to take the pressure away from the team.Same technique mourinho is using but the latter is using another method.

-we do need to get some decent football by cap or anybody else for that matter, unlike others here i think that cap is capable is that.
i Dont agree abt the refferee things that were and are said.Reffereeing mistakes helped us in the past and in the present as well as others and they harmed us as well as others. It just pisses me off when hear shit like that.

-abt neddy and alex, the problem with both especially neddy i dont think they would be very happy would just a backup spot. So mybe it will be harder to keep them. But i think both have a year or two in them and they wont harm.Especially alex.

-i wont suspect abt the exchange but abt the players, although carlos is a great offensive player he is a liability in the backline. And i dont suspect he would not come to a club to play as a backup player. At the end of his career he would want to play first team football. I think salgado is very good.Although he has his mistakes, but overall he is good.
Cassano would be great only under a coach who could keep a tight leash on him, and get the best from him.So unless we could get this coach, i would advise against it.

-Rijjkard wouldn't let ettoo off soo easily even if Henry comes, and Deco is soo accustomed to playing in spaces soo it would be a bit harder to play him in serie A. But i agree we should test the water a bit and Ettoo would be great.
Whether they would want to take emerson or not is the thing am thinking about.But i think that puma is doing well, and that he deserves his place. In regards to CL Viera would be a better option.But we cant forget about the league though.

-Beleive it or not Ibra's price went down heavily this season and only the world cup would raise it.Thats if he has a good one.And if both Gallas and Robben do well then we r screwed in that matter. Gallas would be great. However i see robben as having the same attributes as Ibra.So this wont help the teamwork alot.Robben like to play for himself, and mourinho wont let him loose easily too.

-Abt riquelme i know he would be great however, he didnt impress at all in a big team and thats Barca.So am still unsure about him. Juninho would be great but he isnt soo young so that wont help in the long run.Diarra isnt established enough for my liking if ur gunning for the CL.

-Blasi is a great prospect imo, and i completely agree that if he had someone creative next to him his touch would've evolved massively. Gianni is a hardworker who always gives his best, and he doesnt mind sitting on the bench and always helps the team out. Balza is good prospect i see him doing well in the next few years, as he is still young.
Chiellini was brought as a CB and then in fiorentina was converted to a LB. So with the right training he would be a decent CB imo.And i would keep thuram if he would stay as a backup player.

-abt the manager i talked abt cap, but mourinho has spoiled the beautiful game imo.So i dont want him here.And he is as inflexibile as capello also, imo.
New manager? spalleti wont leave roma, prandelli wont leave viola as both r building squads for the future.I would advise against them anyway.So i really dont know, and if we r changing managers then i would leave it to the triad and the management.

- i want the beautiful football back...but another question to u and the others is Are u willing to concede a few losses here and there, just to watch the beautiful football?

And just a point i concluded from ur post, i thought u would suggest a bit unknown players with big potentials. The type of players that juve used to bring in the past. Not big names like the ones u suggested, for me i would like the relatively unknown players with big potentials as opposed for the big names.
As they would give more heart to this team imo, and i think this is one best attributes of this team.

anyway , again great post mate

hope u get the job:D , i will even recommend u:p..
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
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#95
I think your transfers are a bit out there...

But I would agree that these players are what we need/want...bar Salgado.

The thing is that most of your suggested players were attainable 2 or 3 year ago. The next Etoo or Deco are out there, and we should snatch them, before they evolve , kinda like Zidane. I don't think that we should go for big stars, but potential big stars, and I believe most of us could and already did spot them.
 

Gep

The Guv'nor
Jun 12, 2005
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#96
Our strike force will have to be rebuilt this summer without a doubt. Get rid of that useless Swede. Did you see that miss against Fiorentina. My Nan would have put that away!
 

Gep

The Guv'nor
Jun 12, 2005
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#98
Rami said:
I think your transfers are a bit out there...

But I would agree that these players are what we need/want...bar Salgado.

The thing is that most of your suggested players were attainable 2 or 3 year ago. The next Etoo or Deco are out there, and we should snatch them, before they evolve , kinda like Zidane. I don't think that we should go for big stars, but potential big stars, and I believe most of us could and already did spot them.



I totally agree! Look at Zlatan we paid £10.5m and could sell him for around £25 easily. That was what Lippi used to do. He bought all these potentially big star players. I loved our C.L winning team 1996!

Forza Lippi.


Oust .,.......Zlatan/Capello/Zebina/Vieira/ :agree:
Enter .............Cassano/Mancini/Chivu/ def/mid
 

Gep

The Guv'nor
Jun 12, 2005
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#99
Rami said:
I would hire ur Nan and give her 10% of his pay...I am sure your Nan would be content;)


Believe me she would. She'll show more heart and she doesnt even know a thing about football ............Wait up! Ive just described Zlatan Ibrahimovic :D
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
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Moggi D'Messiah said:
Believe me she would. She'll show more heart and she doesnt even know a thing about football ............Wait up! Ive just described Zlatan Ibrahimovic :D
But taking 10 more times than ur Nan:p
 
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