the new,improved,updated and completely irrelevant 2009-Cassano to Juve thread (4 Viewers)

[Fred]

And when exactly did that happen?

The past three years he has been a better player than Cassano. Who for all his talent has really not proven much. I think your underestimating Silva here, he is one of the best attacking midfielders\wingers in the world right now, only topped by Messi, Ronaldo and Ribery.

 

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[Alen]

On the left hand-side of midfield he is.

Well yeah. Molinaro is also a better LB than Cassano but i thought he was talking about a better player, not better ML.
If we're going to stick to the 4-4-2 then we'd obvioulsy need a winger much more than Cassano. I'm not denying that. But if the board is chosing between Cassano and Silva then it implies that we're at least concidering a change of tactics. Cassano is worthy of changing the tactics. Is Silva worthy of keeping the 4-4-2, i don't know. Undeniable talent and a possibly bright future, that's what can be said about Silva. But this 22 yo isn't Messi or Ronaldo so one could gamble making him the team leader and the one we set our hopes on. Even without counting the flopping of the Spaniards in Italy, even without counting that we could give more chances to Giovinco instead of paying a fortune for someone who's just as old..... we still must have in mind that there are at least 3 examples of young players who did great at young age for Valencia and the NT and disappeared afterwards.

 

[Gep]

Well yeah. Molinaro is also a better LB than Cassano but i thought he was talking about a better player, not better ML.
If we're going to stick to the 4-4-2 then we'd obvioulsy need a winger much more than Cassano. I'm not denying that. But if the board is chosing between Cassano and Silva then it implies that we're at least concidering a change of tactics. Cassano is worthy of changing the tactics. Is Silva worthy of keeping the 4-4-2, i don't know. Undeniable talent and a possibly bright future, that's what can be said about Silva. But this 22 yo isn't Messi or Ronaldo so one could gamble making him the team leader and the one we set our hopes on. Even without counting the flopping of the Spaniards in Italy, even without counting that we could give more chances to Giovinco instead of paying a fortune for someone who's just as old..... we still must have in mind that there are at least 3 examples of young players who did great at young age for Valencia and the NT and disappeared afterwards.

Thats what im saying AL. I would prefer Ribery to both of these.

 

[Fred]

Well yeah. Molinaro is also a better LB than Cassano but i thought he was talking about a better player, not better ML.
If we're going to stick to the 4-4-2 then we'd obvioulsy need a winger much more than Cassano. I'm not denying that. But if the board is chosing between Cassano and Silva then it implies that we're at least concidering a change of tactics. Cassano is worthy of changing the tactics. Is Silva worthy of keeping the 4-4-2, i don't know. Undeniable talent and a possibly bright future, that's what can be said about Silva. But this 22 yo isn't Messi or Ronaldo so one could gamble making him the team leader and the one we set our hopes on. Even without counting the flopping of the Spaniards in Italy, even without counting that we could give more chances to Giovinco instead of paying a fortune for someone who's just as old..... we still must have in mind that there are at least 3 examples of young players who did great at young age for Valencia and the NT and disappeared afterwards.

Silva is as old as Giovinco but he's a better player, now i think Giovinco should be given a chance, he is good enough to be Nedveds replacement, but if thats what we're talking about, then Cassano's arrival has more potential of keeping Gio on the bench than Silva's arrival.

And please tell me how previous Spaniard's flopping in Italy has any relevance to this matter?

 

[Gep]

If we get Silva on our left think we should give Giovinco the chance to play in his prefered role. Well we have to really. We got a talent sitting on our dam bench and we wanna go out a bring in a cry baby who throws his toys out of his pram everytime he doesnt get what he wants.

 

[Alen]

And please tell me how previous Spaniard's flopping in Italy has any relevance to this matter?

It has much more than you think. We're talking about two very strong football cultures. About a big European rivalry and about many differences in the style. There is a good reason why the Spanish footballers failed to adapt to serie A.

 

[Fred]

It has much more than you think. We're talking about two very strong football cultures. About a big European rivalry and about many differences in the style. There is a good reason why the Spanish footballers failed to adapt to serie A.

I'm not a fan of such generalizations, i personally prefer to evaluate every player on his own and not just stick him in a group and evaluate him based on that particular group's failings. Having said that i see no reason why Silva wouldn't succeed in Italy.

 

[Alen]

Silva is as old as Giovinco but he's a better player, now i think Giovinco should be given a chance, he is good enough to be Nedveds replacement, but if thats what we're talking about, then Cassano's arrival has more potential of keeping Gio on the bench than Silva's arrival.

I think you're wrong. In a 4-4-2 Juve will have Silva in ML and 4 attackers+ Giovinco. Giovinco will never get the chance to play in attack and his only chance to get playing time is when Silva, and only Silva, will be rested/injured.
In a 4-3-3 (4-3-2-1) Juve will have Amauri and Trez rotating as CFs while Giovinco will be a direct replacement for both Del Piero and Cassano. Cassano/Giovinco, Del Piero/Giovinco, Del Piero/Cassano.

Silva may and he easily may not succeed in Italy. In Juve in particular, and in 4-4-2, i give him 50/50 chances to be a success. I don't think ML who must defend is his natural position. All i'm saying is what Red said. The risk with Silva is just as big, imo bigger, than the risk we'd take with Cassano. I'm not saying not to take risks. Every team must take a risk sometime. I'm just criticizing the opinion that Cassano is a bigger risk than Silva.

 

[Fred]

I think you're wrong. In a 4-4-2 Juve will have Silva in ML and 4 attackers+ Giovinco. Giovinco will never get the chance to play in attack and his only chance to get playing time is when Silva, and only Silva, will be rested/injured.
In a 4-3-3 (4-3-2-1) Juve will have Amauri and Trez rotating as CFs while Giovinco will be a direct replacement for both Del Piero and Cassano. Cassano/Giovinco, Del Piero/Giovinco, Del Piero/Cassano.

You do have a point here. But that is assuming that Ranieri will turn to a 4-3-2-1.

Assuming that he did, theres still a big chance that Camoranesi would be considered in the front three in that formation, so would Marchionni. Gio's chances might not be that big even in this formation.

Silva may and he easily may not succeed in Italy. In Juve in particular, and in 4-4-2, i give him 50/50 chances to be a success. I don't think ML who must defend is his natural position. All i'm saying is what Red said. The risk with Silva is just as big, imo bigger, than the risk we'd take with Cassano. I'm not saying not to take risks. Every team must take a risk sometime. I'm just criticizing the opinion that Cassano is a bigger risk than Silva.

Well yes, it is not his natural position, but he's played there multiple times for Valencia and he's always played there for his NT, so i think he would gradually adapt.

 

[Cronios]

I think you're wrong. In a 4-4-2 Juve will have Silva in ML and 4 attackers+ Giovinco. Giovinco will never get the chance to play in attack and his only chance to get playing time is when Silva, and only Silva, will be rested/injured.
In a 4-3-3 (4-3-2-1) Juve will have Amauri and Trez rotating as CFs while Giovinco will be a direct replacement for both Del Piero and Cassano. Cassano/Giovinco, Del Piero/Giovinco, Del Piero/Cassano.

That or Gio will be the direct DP replacement!
If we dont bring Cassano, Giovinco may have more chances to play as SS
Its to CR, but he must up his mind first! Sometime in the near future, for both Giovinco and DC. One of them will be our sub LM, the other one will be either sub LB or SS

This is a very important decision and should be made before we make any important investments...

 

[Lo-Pan]

Anyone calling Del Piero Sandro doesn't know the first thing about Juventus.

This made me chuckle...It appears fine to refer to del piero as pinturicchio, and often on these boards as DP...yet I wonder, if signore del piero was here in attendance himself, if he would take such exception by been called Sandro....I have two cousins and one friend who are all italians, and whom are all called, often, Sandro for a shortened version of Alessandro...To say I don't know the first thing about Juventus because I can't be bothered to type Alessandro, is indicative of a horridly mentally enfeebled character, who bases more on official forum nicknames than real life nicknames...Great call, Seven... I'm sure the great man would be fine with 'ciao DP, come stai'. and react to 'ciao sandro, come stai' with suitable disgust...

 

[HelterSkelter]

Don't mind Seven.You're new here.You'll get used to it.

 

[Alen]

Some members are here for +5 years and they still can't get used to Seven. How do you expect this guy to do it in such short time?

 

[Gep]

@ Seven

 

[Seven]

This made me chuckle...It appears fine to refer to del piero as pinturicchio, and often on these boards as DP...yet I wonder, if signore del piero was here in attendance himself, if he would take such exception by been called Sandro....I have two cousins and one friend who are all italians, and whom are all called, often, Sandro for a shortened version of Alessandro...To say I don't know the first thing about Juventus because I can't be bothered to type Alessandro, is indicative of a horridly mentally enfeebled character, who bases more on official forum nicknames than real life nicknames...Great call, Seven... I'm sure the great man would be fine with 'ciao DP, come stai'. and react to 'ciao sandro, come stai' with suitable disgust...

I know that a lot of Alessandros are called Sandro. Nesta for example is often called Sandro. However even in Italy most are called Ale, not Sandro. Furthermore Del Piero has stated time and time again that he likes to be called Ale. He does not like Alex either, but Sandro was never even in the picture. Not a single newspaper calls him Sandro, not one colleague calls him Sandro and not one juventino in the crowd tomorrow night will be thinking of him as Sandro. The fact that you don't seem to know how people generally shorten his name is remarkable to say the least and indicates that you don't follow Juventus.. at all.

It has been Alex or Ale Del Piero for 13 years. If you don't know it by now, you're one awful fan. I'm not sure what your last phrase means, but I find it quite obvious that he would indeed react with suitable disgust. After he figures out that you're talking to him that is.




SANDRO FFS! You called him Sandro! What the fuck..

 

[Seven]

Don't mind Seven.You're new here.You'll get used to it.

Some members are here for +5 years and they still can't get used to Seven. How do you expect this guy to do it in such short time?

@ Seven

He's calling Ale Sandro. Do none of you find it odd that he does not know which shortened version we use to speak of our CAPTAIN? It's like a Liverpool fan calling Gerrard Steve-o.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

you right. i had no idea who he was referring to

 

[Gep]

He's calling Ale Sandro. Do none of you find it odd that he does not know which shortened version we use to speak of our CAPTAIN? It's like a Liverpool fan calling Gerrard Steve-o.

Dude you're making me laugh here man! Ok im sure he's got the point from now on. Think we'll all gonna call him Sandro now to pee you right off. Nah! just kidding Seven.

 

[Seven]

Dude you're making me laugh here man! Ok im sure he's got the point from now on. Think we'll all gonna call him Sandro now to pee you right off. Nah! just kidding Seven.

You cannot be a Juventus fan and call Del Piero Sandro. It's just not right. I mean, God, just how little does he know about Juve?

 

[Gep]

You cannot be a Juventus fan and call Del Piero Sandro. It's just not right. I mean, God, just how little does he know about Juve?

True dat!

All that weed is getting to his head.