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[Cheesio]

And this whole "Well, Bird played with 3 stars" argument.

Let's take into consideration that though this is the case, that argument also supports Bird's greatness due to there being fewer teams, and all teams having more talent, leading to much more competition. Take a look at some of the worst teams during that era, and then look at some of the players on those teams. You will see what I mean

Few of those of teams if any can touch the current warriors, or the Spurs that beat lebron.

Lebron lost to some historically great teams. ( Bar the dallas mavericks )

 

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[KB824]

Few of those of teams if any can touch the current warriors, or the Spurs that beat lebron.

Lebron lost to some historically great teams. ( Bar the dallas mavericks )

I'm not even getting into this discussion. You are not dragging me into this.

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Avery Bradley traded for Marcus Morris.

I guess that clears the room for Hayward

 

[Cheesio]

He was their best player in the PO.

They should have kept him, and dealt smart/crowder.

 

[KB824]

He was their best player in the PO.

They should have kept him, and dealt smart/crowder.

Bradley was by far the most attractive out of the 3, and teams knew that the Celtics had to trade someone to get under the cap for Hayward.

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KCP's rights have been renounced.

If I am the Lakers, I offer him a 1 year deal for whatever cap space they have this year. He would be sweet next to Lonzo. If he is willing to bet on himself at the age of 24, take 1 year, 17-18 million, and then become a FA again next year.

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[acmilan]

Maybe, i am not underestimating Bird, it's just that Lebron is on another level on all aspects of the game besides shooting.

Lebron numbers are crazy good, except in one series against Dallas in 2011.

Let's not forget that Larry Bird played with 3 great players in the same team.

biitch, please

Only thing Lebron would probably best Bird in is 100 meter sprint and high jump, nothing else. That is, LeBron may be the better raw athlete of the two, but Bird was the superior basketball player - Bird was a better shooter, better re-bounder, and a far, far better defender.

LeBron has spent the majority of his career surrounding himself with star talent, building super-teams in an era where top talent thruout the league is severely lacking. Even worse, Lebron and his self-assembled super-teams haven't faced even basic level competition in the East for 5-6 years now.

All of LeBron's stats have been achieved in an era of soft basketball where the rules - no hand-checking, 3 sec rule, etc, etc - literally invite offensive play and scoring and make it easy even for average players to put up points to no end.
LeBron stats have literally been achieved in glorified all-star-game level of basketball, ruined by the overly soft calls by refs.

LeBron is a mental midget, he is not a clutch player and has shown that time and time again.
Larry Bird was the exact opposite - he was a mofo warrior on the field, and the clutchest of clutch players, to go with his warrior mentality on the field. And that was the guy I remember from the latter stages of his career when his game was being affected by injuries.

Bird would have kicked the shit out of the the second-rate journeymen that molested LeBron in 2011 finals.

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Few of those of teams if any can touch the current warriors, or the Spurs that beat lebron.

Lebron lost to some historically great teams. ( Bar the dallas mavericks )

It was literally second-rate jorneymen who pushed his shit in in those finals and that wa the Miami years when LeBron had surrounded himself with a star-studded team.

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You are underestimating Bird. Severely underestimating him. Bird was a better rebounder and clutch player than Lebron.

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And I won't even gt into the hustle and sheer will to throw caution to the wind for every lose ball. This guy literally wiped out scoring tables going after loose balls

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And this whole "Well, Bird played with 3 stars" argument.

Let's take into consideration that though this is the case, that argument also supports Bird's greatness due to there being fewer teams, and all teams having more talent, leading to much more competition. Take a look at some of the worst teams during that era, and then look at some of the players on those teams. You will see what I mean

@Cheesio grew up with the LeBron generation of super-soft basket. He doesn't remember even the 90s, forget about the 80s.

It's just sad when you see people glorify and overrate a bitch like LeBron just because he happens to be playing in an era of the game where defense has practically become optional.

The one time LeBron got to play a defense that somewhat resembled the ones of the good old days was the 2011 finals vs the Spurs and we know how that one ended

 

[KB824]

And for the record, I fucking hate Larry Bird

A white kid, in the 80's, in New England, being a Lakers fan that hated Larry Bird. I couldn't have possibly stuck out any more than that


But my god, did I sit up and take notice when he played

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@acmilan

What are your thoughts on Boston having to trade Bradley to fit Hayward under the cap?

 

[acmilan]

I'm not even getting into this discussion. You are not dragging me into this.

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Avery Bradley traded for Marcus Morris.

I guess that clears the room for Hayward

Sad to see AB go - a very good two-way player and even better perimeter defender in times where players hardly even try to defend.

I understand the move though - of those 3 players, AB was the one with the fewest years left on his deal (under contract for only 2017-18). From next season, he is gonna command close to 25 mil type of contract, which would have made keeping him simply impossible for Boston.

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He was their best player in the PO.

They should have kept him, and dealt smart/crowder.

AB was a 1-year rental ... Yes, he was the best player of the 3 but he also would have commanded way too big a contract next year, making it impossible for the Celtics to keep him beyond the 2017-18 season.
And it's not like the Celtics would be able to compete for a title this coming year.

 

[KB824]

The first 2 games of Lonzo's career are already sold out at the Thomas & Mack Center

 

[zizinho]

You are underestimating Bird. Severely underestimating him. Bird was a better rebounder and clutch player than Lebron.

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And I won't even gt into the hustle and sheer will to throw caution to the wind for every lose ball. This guy literally wiped out scoring tables going after loose balls

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And this whole "Well, Bird played with 3 stars" argument.

Let's take into consideration that though this is the case, that argument also supports Bird's greatness due to there being fewer teams, and all teams having more talent, leading to much more competition. Take a look at some of the worst teams during that era, and then look at some of the players on those teams. You will see what I mean

Dont forget passing, id give Larry the edge there too. He saw plays happen 2 moves in advance. What James has over him is longetivity, both Birds prime and career ended 3-4 years too soon

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Nah, i'am not underestimating Bird, think you are the one who underestimating Lebron ( whom i am not the biggest fan ).
The things that Lebron has been doing since he was 18 is out of this world.
Larry was clutch, trash talker, a winner ( he played with a 2/3 hall of famers ) but Lebron is a much better player. Only MJ has a case over him only because of the rings.

How many hall of famers has Lebron played with, so far?

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Or future Hall of famers should i say

 

[Cheesio]

Lol at Larry bird being a better defender than Lebron, i would love to see Bird guard Derrik Rose in his prime. Really lol at being a better defender, Lebron could've lock anyone if he put his mind to.

Lebron could guard 1 through 4 without a problem.

And Lebron is a better passer than Larry who was a great a passer in his days.

Larry bird is a great player maybe the second best small forward of all time. But Lebron is in a discussion for the GOAT of all time for a reason.

Only thing Larry had on lebron is that he is clutch. People under appreciated what Lebron has been doing since he's 18. And this is coming from someone who hates him.

 

[KB824]

Lol at Larry bird being a better defender than Lebron, i would love to see Bird guard Derrik Rose in his prime. Really lol at being a better defender, Lebron could've lock anyone if he put his mind to.

Lebron could guard 1 through 4 without a problem.

And Lebron is a better passer than Larry who was a great a passer in his days.

Larry bird is a great player maybe the second best small forward of all time. But Lebron is in a discussion for the GOAT of all time for a reason.

Only thing Larry had on lebron is that he is clutch. People under appreciated what Lebron has been doing since he's 18. And this is coming from someone who hates him.

Larry has been in the discussion for GOAT for nearly 30 years though, bro.

And with great reason to be. He was beyond spectacular. He had dudes from the opposition's bench rooting for him. And I'm not saying any of this to diminish Lebron.


Larry was in another world in the 80's.

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If you want to talk about defense though, I would have loved to see Lebron defend 'Nique in his prime.

That is what Larry would do. Maybe not all that well, but 'Nique had nightmares about defending Larry

 

[zizinho]

Lol at Larry bird being a better defender than Lebron, i would love to see Bird guard Derrik Rose in his prime. Really lol at being a better defender, Lebron could've lock anyone if he put his mind to.

Lebron could guard 1 through 4 without a problem.

And Lebron is a better passer than Larry who was a great a passer in his days.

Larry bird is a great player maybe the second best small forward of all time. But Lebron is in a discussion for the GOAT of all time for a reason.

Only thing Larry had on lebron is that he is clutch. People under appreciated what Lebron has been doing since he's 18. And this is coming from someone who hates him.

LeBron locked down Rose? When, which game? And lol at him being able to lock down anyone. Most overrated defender ever by most basketball fans, but thats too much.

Hes not a better passer, at best as good.

in the discussion for the goat according to who? To a lot of people hes not, and also to a lot of people Bird is goat or atleast in discussion, so thats a subjective opinion

 

[Cheesio]

LeBron locked down Rose? When, which game? And lol at him being able to lock down anyone. Most overrated defender ever by most basketball fans, but thats too much.

Hes not a better passer, at best as good.

in the discussion for the goat according to who? To a lot of people hes not, and also to a lot of people Bird is goat or atleast in discussion, so thats a subjective opinion

Yet you think Bird is a better defender than LBJ.

From someone who played in the 80s and on of the most respected players ever.


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Larry has been in the discussion for GOAT for nearly 30 years though, bro.

And with great reason to be. He was beyond spectacular. He had dudes from the opposition's bench rooting for him. And I'm not saying any of this to diminish Lebron.


Larry was in another world in the 80's.

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If you want to talk about defense though, I would have loved to see Lebron defend 'Nique in his prime.

That is what Larry would do. Maybe not all that well, but 'Nique had nightmares about defending Larry

He guarded KD who's a better offensive player than Domenique

 

[Enron]

The skinny jeanification of the nba.

 

[KB824]

Yet you think Bird is a better defender than LBJ.

From someone who played in the 80s and on of the most respected players ever.


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He guarded KD who's a better offensive player than Domenique

And we see how well that turned out.

 

[Cheesio]

And we see how well that turned out.

Great offense beats great defense every day of the week.

 

[acmilan]

Lol at Larry bird being a better defender than Lebron, i would love to see Bird guard Derrik Rose in his prime. Really lol at being a better defender, Lebron could've lock anyone if he put his mind to.

Lebron could guard 1 through 4 without a problem.

And Lebron is a better passer than Larry who was a great a passer in his days.

Larry bird is a great player maybe the second best small forward of all time. But Lebron is in a discussion for the GOAT of all time for a reason.

Only thing Larry had on lebron is that he is clutch. People under appreciated what Lebron has been doing since he's 18. And this is coming from someone who hates him.

LeBron has never been a good defender and most importantly, he lacks the effort to even bother to develop into such a player.
This lack of effort, and ability, to defend was on show just this last NBA Finals series where he cost his team game 3, at the very least, and an opportunity to make it a 2-2 series just on pure lack of effort on D.
Not only that, LeBron has very bad awareness as to who he should be guarding, which leads to overall break-down of defense for the entire team - way too often he leaves his teammates confused as to who they should be covering on D.

Larry Bird has been in discussion for GOAT for many years now and there is only MJ over him.
LeBron has been literally forced into the conversation about being the GOAT by the media, a conversation he doesn't really belong in. This GOAT discussion is purely driven by the media's need to attract more attention onto the NBA and drive the ratings up.

In terms of passing, LeBron can't touch Larry Bird with a 10-mile pole:

 

[Cheesio]

Lol you are a Celtics fan and most of you are delusional.

Lebron has been in this league for 14 years, has the most playoffs points, made it to NBA finals at age 22 with a 4 nobodies and a rookie coach. 7 straight NBA finales and he's breaking every statistis there is.
Never been to college, never had a great coach to teach him the game, yet he has one if the not the best basketball IQ ever seen, makes every one around him better, dominates every statistical category, beat an 73 team, came back from 3-1 down, averaged a triple double in the final....

Larry is a great player, but you will ask any player any fan, any coach, which player they will take to start a team. It will be Lebron every time, only one who has a case over him is MJ.
Forget winning, rings, Lebron is simply a superior player.

 

[KB824]

LeBron has never been a good defender and most importantly, he lacks the effort to even bother to develop into such a player.
This lack of effort, and ability, to defend was on show just this last NBA Finals series where he cost his team game 3, at the very least, and an opportunity to make it a 2-2 series just on pure lack of effort on D.
Not only that, LeBron has very bad awareness as to who he should be guarding, which leads to overall break-down of defense for the entire team - way too often he leaves his teammates confused as to who they should be covering on D.

Larry Bird has been in discussion for GOAT for many years now and there is only MJ over him.
LeBron has been literally forced into the conversation about being the GOAT by the media, a conversation he doesn't really belong in. This GOAT discussion is purely driven by the media's need to attract more attention onto the NBA and drive the ratings up.

In terms of passing, LeBron can't touch Larry Bird with a 10-mile pole:

Now wait a minute......................

 

[acmilan]

Yet you think Bird is a better defender than LBJ.

From someone who played in the 80s and on of the most respected players ever.


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He guarded KD who's a better offensive player than Domenique

Of course he is gonna say that - Thomas was/is known as a very vindictive and jealous person, someone who operated silently and under the radar, so to speak.
He hates all the great players he had to compete with because he has always had to live in their shadows - Bird, Magic, and especially MJ, who had him booted from the Dream Team.

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Lol you are a Celtics fan and most of you are delusional.

Lebron has been in this league for 14 years, has the most playoffs points, made it to NBA finals at age 22 with a 4 nobodies and a rookie coach. 7 straight NBA finales and he's breaking every statistis there is.
Never been to college, never had a great coach to teach him the game, yet he has one if the not the best basketball IQ ever seen, makes every one around him better, dominates every statistical category, beat an 73 team, came back from 3-1 down, averaged a triple double in the final....

Larry is a great player, but you will ask any player any fan, any coach, which player they will take to start a team. It will be Lebron every time, only one who has a case over him is MJ.
Forget winning, rings, Lebron is simply a superior player.

If I am a Celtics fan, then what is Sergio's excuse for being a Lakers fan and hating the Celtics with passion?

So, everyone here is delusional but you? Yeah, that's a solid ground to stand on ...

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Now wait a minute......................

Well, what can I say - I dislike LeBron because I am Celtics fan but have no problem putting MJ over Bird