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KB824

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I think he will start the season with the lakers and maybe get traded by the trade deadline. Won't be surprised too if the lakers ship the Number two pick or trade down to pick a player that fits their needs
Ball fits their needs. They need an unselfish player who can help gt his teammates easy baskets, and there is no one that is remotely close in this draft or the last several drafts that does that as well as Lonzo
 

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zizinho

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Come on, Klay is on of the best defenders in the SG position. His metrics maybe not good because he's always guarding the opposition best guard ( PG or SG ).

But he's a damn good defender.


Shorter guys that are great defenders, can move their feet and are not slow ( Gary Payton, Avery bradley, Chris paul...). I've seen DAR and he's an awful P&R defender and not a good man to man defender.
i dont say hes a good or great defender, just that the size shouldnt be an excuse. and at 6'5, hes not that small either really.

anyway, i also think that Klay is overrated when it comes to defense. he CAN play great defense from time to time, but the Warriors play such great TEAM defense thanks to Iggy, Green and Durant that even Curry looks good sometimes. props to Kerr and the coaching stuff here

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I'm telling you, man. Off guard.

Or he will get traded. That's not out of the realm of possibility either.
i see Josh Jackson is a 56% FT shooter, wtf? hope we dont trade DLO for him

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:lol:

LBJ - "I don't believe I've played for a super-team" :lol:

And people wonder why I can't stand this fake, self-promoting POS

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probably everyone and anyone who is anywhere good enough and available.

even then, LBJ, still wouldn't have played for a super-team, though :lol:
and this is something he says before he goes on and calls Melo and/or CP3 to come to Believeland :tup:

never mind that, hes been playing with 2 allstars for the past 7 seasons, hes clearly not someone who is gonna form a superteam :baus:
 

Osman

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Glad this crap is over
Crap? Are you that spoilt for insanely high level Bball? Because I found this final, as predictable as it was, to be absolutely AMAZING level of basketball almost throughout.

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Early in the game he just stood off players and didn't play defense

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Yeah that was pathetic, he was a stud forward, but given up easy lanes to likes of Iggy is just weird...


It wasnt even about foul trouble, it was like he was expecting someone else to step in when he is the one perfectly sitauted to do some D.
 

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and this is something he says before he goes on and calls Melo and/or CP3 to come to Believeland :tup:

never mind that, hes been playing with 2 allstars for the past 7 seasons, hes clearly not someone who is gonna form a superteam :baus:
The level of hypocrisy is just difficult to fathom. Just look at him answering that question - he is obviously saying things he himself knows well are not true. The body language, the eyes, the way he was slowly and carefully looking for the "right" words ... all of that is so telling.
 

Osman

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Watching the finals, only thing that terribly SUCKED about it is the NONSTOP fouls, every few seconds is a foul and free throw. As a new viewer of NBA it easily discourages you to keep watching games when you see nonstop fouls called for so little.


But the Bball itself and these players? Nothing of it sucked, its an insane collection of absolute greats going at it in this final.
 

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The level of hypocrisy is just difficult to fathom. Just look at him answering that question - he is obviously saying things he himself knows well are not true. The body language, the eyes, the way he was slowly and carefully looking for the "right" words ... all of that is so telling.
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Yeah that was pathetic, he was a stud forward, but given up easy lanes to likes of Iggy is just weird...


It wasnt even about foul trouble, it was like he was expecting someone else to step in when he is the one perfectly sitauted to do some D.
Was very odd
 

zizinho

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The level of hypocrisy is just difficult to fathom. Just look at him answering that question - he is obviously saying things he himself knows well are not true. The body language, the eyes, the way he was slowly and carefully looking for the "right" words ... all of that is so telling.
Btw, check the stats for the finals:

KD 35 ppg, Curry 26 ppg, Klay 16 ppg, Green 11ppg
LBJ 33 ppg, Kyrie 29ppg, Love 16 ppg, JR 11 ppg

"James cant beat this team alone" ::lol3::
 

acmilan

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Watching the finals, only thing that terribly SUCKED about it is the NONSTOP fouls, every few seconds is a foul and free throw. As a new viewer of NBA it easily discourages you to keep watching games when you see nonstop fouls called for so little.


But the Bball itself and these players? Nothing of it sucked, its an insane collection of absolute greats going at it in this final.
From an entertainment stand-point, it was good, maybe even great. But when it comes to substance, the way the rules are these days, makes for a rather hollow product - there is pretty much no defending going on, just going forward on offense and scoring easy points.
Basketball today reminds me of watching the EPL or La Liga 15-20 years back when they looked like a waste of time compared to the much superior tactically Serie A of the 80s, 90s and early 2000s (which would be the bball of the 80s and 90s NBA in this comparison).
Back then both La Liga and EPL offered great entertainment value but that was fluff football, which was all about scoring goals. As an all around game, however, it just couldn't compare to what Serie A had going on and Italy's dominance in the European cup competitions of that period proved it.
 

Osman

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I see that point, but we should still not devalue the immense quality on display.


But seriously they should ease up on the soft fouls, need to allow physicality, some atleast, to encourage defending more.



Get this back:
 

acmilan

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Btw, check the stats for the finals:

KD 35 ppg, Curry 26 ppg, Klay 16 ppg, Green 11ppg
LBJ 33 ppg, Kyrie 29ppg, Love 16 ppg, JR 11 ppg

"James cant beat this team alone" ::lol3::
Entering the finals, all the Bron-sexuals out there were saying how the Cavs matched up well and were better than the GSW. After the first 3 games - GSW is the best ever, a super-team of super teams, LeBron can't do it on his own ... :lol:

You know what the funny thing is - the one game where the Cavs looked like the better team and won, game 4, LeBron took a backseat to Kyrie as the top-dog of the Cavs. That is, the Cavs had to literally hide the self-professed GOAT in their roster ranks to beat the GSW :lol:

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Post Ironic

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Entering the finals, all the Bron-sexuals out there were saying how the Cavs matched up well and were better than the GSW. After the first 3 games - GSW is the best ever, a super-team of super teams, LeBron can't do it on his own ... :lol:

You know what the funny thing is - the one game where the Cavs looked like the better team and won, game 4, LeBron took a backseat to Kyrie as the top-dog of the Cavs. That is, the Cavs had to literally hide the self-professed GOAT in their roster ranks to beat the GSW :lol:

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You are literally mentally challenged.

No one. Not a single expert, not a single fan I know picked Cleveland to win this series. A 73 win team added the second best player in the NBA. Of course hey we're heavily favoured. Half the experts were predicting a sweep before the finals. I didn't hear a single person say Cleveland will beat Golden State, aside from some complete morons on social media, which you clearly spend too much time on. You sound like biggest moron of all.

And :lol: at backseat to Kyrie. A 31 point triple double is really taking a backseat. You really are fucking delusional about Lebron.

Stop mentioning me with your rubbish. The funny part is that guys like you are going to continue spouting your bullshit about Lebron, disappearing entirely when he puts in historical performances like in last year's finals when no one heard a peep out of you, and changing every narrative to try to diminish a player who will guaranteed go down as top 5 in NBA history, if not top 3.

You and your retarded ilk will look and sound like complete morons as you continue to bitch and moan about Lebron. Easily as retarded as those nutters who think Lebron is better than MJ.

You're on ignore for good.
 

zizinho

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Entering the finals, all the Bron-sexuals out there were saying how the Cavs matched up well and were better than the GSW. After the first 3 games - GSW is the best ever, a super-team of super teams, LeBron can't do it on his own ... :lol:

You know what the funny thing is - the one game where the Cavs looked like the better team and won, game 4, LeBron took a backseat to Kyrie as the top-dog of the Cavs. That is, the Cavs had to literally hide the self-professed GOAT in their roster ranks to beat the GSW :lol:

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Tbh, Cavs had a better roster last season, its just that the Warriors play better defense and have a better system, so they could keep up with them. Now they added KD and evened out the matchups, but coach Kerr outsmarting coach James is what puts the Warriors ahead

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You are literally mentally challenged.

No one. Not a single expert, not a single fan I know picked Cleveland to win this series. A 73 win team added the second best player in the NBA. Of course hey we're heavily favoured. Half the experts were predicting a sweep before the finals. I didn't hear a single person say Cleveland will beat Golden State, aside from some complete morons on social media, which you clearly spend too much time on. You sound like biggest moron of all.

And :lol: at backseat to Kyrie. A 31 point triple double is really taking a backseat. You really are fucking delusional about Lebron.

Stop mentioning me with your rubbish. The funny part is that guys like you are going to continue spouting your bullshit about Lebron, disappearing entirely when he puts in historical performances like in last year's finals when no one heard a peep out of you, and changing every narrative to try to diminish a player who will guaranteed go down as top 5 in NBA history, if not top 3.

You and your retarded ilk will look and sound like complete morons as you continue to bitch and moan about Lebron. Easily as retarded as those nutters who think Lebron is better than MJ.

You're on ignore for good.
I hate this "73-9 win added KD" argument. How many games did they win this year with KD? Shouldnt the 73 win team + KD win even more?
 

Osman

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Saying he took a backseat is hugely anti and biased as heck. Basically that specific game/quarters Lebron decided he will be full on playmaker forward who just spreads the ball and creates space for others nonstop. And he did it VERY well, had insane amount of slick passing manevuers in that game. Which was exactly what the team needed, because apparently they dont even have a gameplan, if he even hits the bench for 1 minute everything falls apart, because the Kyrie who is supposed to carry alone will simply just iso,drive or shoot random challenged 3s. He wont create shit for anyone else or move the ball to open up lanes. He does his immense attacking with slick brilliance, but come the heck on if you think someone who not only scored more but averaged tripple double in whole finals, as the one who actually carried them. Why you think they shot lights out, not only because they hit them easily but because a certain someone opened up shit for them most of the time.



Not even sure if Cavs needs a 4th super star, they need just better well rounded personnel and a playbook that doesnt involve iso attacks all day long.
 

acmilan

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You are literally mentally challenged.

No one. Not a single expert, not a single fan I know picked Cleveland to win this series. A 73 win team added the second best player in the NBA. Of course hey we're heavily favoured. Half the experts were predicting a sweep before the finals. I didn't hear a single person say Cleveland will beat Golden State, aside from some complete morons on social media, which you clearly spend too much time on. You sound like biggest moron of all.

And :lol: at backseat to Kyrie. A 31 point triple double is really taking a backseat. You really are fucking delusional about Lebron.

Stop mentioning me with your rubbish. The funny part is that guys like you are going to continue spouting your bullshit about Lebron, disappearing entirely when he puts in historical performances like in last year's finals when no one heard a peep out of you, and changing every narrative to try to diminish a player who will guaranteed go down as top 5 in NBA history, if not top 3.

You and your retarded ilk will look and sound like complete morons as you continue to bitch and moan about Lebron. Easily as retarded as those nutters who think Lebron is better than MJ.

You're on ignore for good.
Easy there, you LeBron nutcracker :D

I never said LeBron wasn't a great player - hey, if it makes you feel any better, he is in my top 10 even. Does that make you jealous, though? :D
What I have been saying is that he shouldn't be in the conversation with MJ for being the GOAT.

P.S. Yeah, I know LeBron's stats look really impressive - that's the whole point of "stat padding"
 

Post Ironic

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Tbh, Cavs had a better roster last season, its just that the Warriors play better defense and have a better system, so they could keep up with them. Now they added KD and evened out the matchups, but coach Kerr outsmarting coach James is what puts the Warriors ahead

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I hate this "73-9 win added KD" argument. How many games did they win this year with KD? Shouldnt the 73 win team + KD win even more?
You hate the argument?

It's pretty obvious they improved as a team. They added the league's second best player. Did it show as much in the regular season while they were trying to get their tactics down OT and figuring out how to all play together? Not entirely. For stretches it did.

But it clearly did show while going 16-1 in the playoffs and averaging 10+ pt margin of victory for the entire playoffs.

James isn't absolved of blame for the Cavs loss, the last 6 minutes of game 3 was pathetic, and should have made this a 6 game series. But the guy averaged a triple double, with 33 ppg on 55% shooting in the finals. Him and Kyrie playing out of their minds for large parts of the series was the only reason this wasn't an annihilation in 4 games.

I'd take the Kyrie-James combo over Curry-Durant every day of the week. But not by enough to make up for the clear superiority of numbers 3-8 of the Warriors over the Cavs 3-8 players.
 

Osman

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I hate this "73-9 win added KD" argument. How many games did they win this year with KD? Shouldnt the 73 win team + KD win even more?
What there is to hate? A great team signed a brilliant player, no brainer its a big improvement. As we saw in these finals. Every time Cavs got a wiff of a momemntum KD was there to signal stfu to them by scoring insanely rapid amount of clutch points that just made it all feel completely hopeless.
 

KB824

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How many games do the Warriors win if Durant didn't miss 20 games with an injury this year?

To say that last year's team is somehow better than this year's is crazy.
 

Post Ironic

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Easy there, you LeBron nutcracker :D

I never said LeBron wasn't a great player - hey, if it makes you feel any better, he is in my top 10 even. Does that make you jealous, though? :D
What I have been saying is that he shouldn't be in the conversation with MJ for being the GOAT.

P.S. Yeah, I know LeBron's stats look really impressive - that's the whole point of "stat padding"
Please tell me when I have ever said Lebron is in the GOAT conversation? I place MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, and Wilt over him for sure at the moment. I do think he will pass Wilt, Magic, Bird (In large part because the last two had their careers shortened so much by injury problems and in Magic's case HIV). If he retired today he'd be in the same tier as guys like Tim Duncan, Hakeem, and Shaq.

But he would literally have to tear up the league, stop coasting the regular season so as to win another MVP or two, win 2-4 more championships and the Finals MVP in each one to even enter the discussion. Which I see as impossible.
 

acmilan

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Saying he took a backseat is hugely anti and biased as heck. Basically that specific game/quarters Lebron decided he will be full on playmaker forward who just spreads the ball and creates space for others nonstop. And he did it VERY well, had insane amount of slick passing manevuers in that game. Which was exactly what the team needed, because apparently they dont even have a gameplan, if he even hits the bench for 1 minute everything falls apart, because the Kyrie who is supposed to carry alone will simply just iso,drive or shoot random challenged 3s. He wont create shit for anyone else or move the ball to open up lanes. He does his immense attacking with slick brilliance, but come the heck on if you think someone who not only scored more but averaged tripple double in whole finals, as the one who actually carried them. Why you think they shot lights out, not only because they hit them easily but because a certain someone opened up shit for them most of the time.



Not even sure if Cavs needs a 4th super star, they need just better well rounded personnel and a playbook that doesnt involve iso attacks all day long.
That's a whole lot of words to say that he hid away from being the top-dog. Being a playmaker on a 5-men team is for 'role' players, not top-dogs. That is literally another way of saying that LeBron avoided the responsibilities of being the leader and made himself a role player.
Ironically, that was the only game the Cavs won.
If you are gonna literally force yourself into the conversation for GOAT and challenge MJ by deseprately looking for attention via tweeting at Brady, you have to thrive in the top-dog role for your team, not become a "playmaker" aka a "role player" in order for your team to finally win a game.
 

KB824

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Please tell me when I have ever said Lebron is in the GOAT conversation? I place MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, and Wilt over him for sure at the moment. I do think he will pass Wilt, Magic, Bird (In large part because the last two had their careers shortened so much by injury problems and in Magic's case HIV). If he retired today he'd be in the same tier as guys like Tim Duncan, Hakeem, and Shaq.

But he would literally have to tear up the league, stop coasting the regular season so as to win another MVP or two, win 2-4 more championships and the Finals MVP in each one to even enter the discussion. Which I see as impossible.
That ignore didn't last very long :lol:
 

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