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Well first of all. What's with this "you guys" stuff. I've been in class for the last 2 hours. Why does everyone always lump me in with those two white devils?
I hardly took offense at the Simpson's take on the Mac world. Even though I don't think all Mac users are mindless drones.
I just believe it's trivial to argue over something like a computer. Especially, when it all comes down to personal preference. I mean there are no winners and no one can be "right" in the argument. So why get so amped up?
If we have to view the world as a stereotype then maybe so. But more realistically I don't think that's the case. It would be easy if all Mac users were mindless drones bent on seizing the new gadgets of the day... be it computers, media players, vehicles, or whatever. The same can be said if all Linux users were stuck up computer programmers who giggle like Belgian hotel clerks when everyone else isn't around. Just as Windows users aren't all fat people feeding on an endless source of porn. None of these examples are a reflection of a truth. The world is so much more complicated than that.
I hardly took offense at the Simpson's take on the Mac world. Even though I don't think all Mac users are mindless drones.
I just believe it's trivial to argue over something like a computer. Especially, when it all comes down to personal preference. I mean there are no winners and no one can be "right" in the argument. So why get so amped up?
If we have to view the world as a stereotype then maybe so. But more realistically I don't think that's the case. It would be easy if all Mac users were mindless drones bent on seizing the new gadgets of the day... be it computers, media players, vehicles, or whatever. The same can be said if all Linux users were stuck up computer programmers who giggle like Belgian hotel clerks when everyone else isn't around. Just as Windows users aren't all fat people feeding on an endless source of porn. None of these examples are a reflection of a truth. The world is so much more complicated than that.
It's popular saying "you people", it's not often accurate. We've had this conversation before.
If you want some solid reasons then get started on the DRM stuff. It's not like I'm keeping it under tabs, I've been bringing it up for years. And Apple is one of the worst perpetrators of DRM and vendor lock-in. That stuff isn't personal preference anymore than warrant less search and detention without charge is personal preference.
We crave simplicity. We couldn't survive without it. Every single national stereotype is false, but they're still useful in some cases. Is this an attack on generalizations now? Because that is applicable everywhere.
If you want some solid reasons then get started on the DRM stuff. It's not like I'm keeping it under tabs, I've been bringing it up for years. And Apple is one of the worst perpetrators of DRM and vendor lock-in. That stuff isn't personal preference anymore than warrant less search and detention without charge is personal preference.
We crave simplicity. We couldn't survive without it. Every single national stereotype is false, but they're still useful in some cases. Is this an attack on generalizations now? Because that is applicable everywhere.
Since we've had this conversation then quit "you people"-ing me. 
Well considering the majority of people purchase a computer because it does what they need it too. I, for example, like Mac (leopard, tiger, etc) better than Windows based partly on performance, but mainly on layout (the way the desktop is set up, ability to personalize settings, and the ease with which someone can do so). I'd say that is personal preference.
While I won't deny that Apple is very good at DRM and vendor lock in I won't pretend that I don't like my iPod. I mean all I do is play music and the occasional podcasts. Though I do really hate the iPhone. But at the same time I think any cell phone that offers similar features is ridiculous.
We all scream for ice cream. Does that mean we should eat a tub of it every day?
No need to get into an argument over generalizing a population. Been there done that.
I just disagree that your idea of a computer defining a person's values. At least pick something a little more invasive such as a vehicle or house.
Well considering the majority of people purchase a computer because it does what they need it too. I, for example, like Mac (leopard, tiger, etc) better than Windows based partly on performance, but mainly on layout (the way the desktop is set up, ability to personalize settings, and the ease with which someone can do so). I'd say that is personal preference.
While I won't deny that Apple is very good at DRM and vendor lock in I won't pretend that I don't like my iPod. I mean all I do is play music and the occasional podcasts. Though I do really hate the iPhone. But at the same time I think any cell phone that offers similar features is ridiculous.
We all scream for ice cream. Does that mean we should eat a tub of it every day?
No need to get into an argument over generalizing a population. Been there done that.
I just disagree that your idea of a computer defining a person's values. At least pick something a little more invasive such as a vehicle or house.
Mind you that I was talking about Apple products in general and not only their computers but here you go, just some example out the top of my head:
1- The laptops batteries are not replaceable and it is a wide known fact that batteries do get damaged often.
2- RAM modules cannot be added.
3- Their Mac air does not have an optical drive.
4- Their iPhone doesn't have extra memory.
5- Their iPods don't read all music formats
1- The laptops batteries are not replaceable and it is a wide known fact that batteries do get damaged often.
2- RAM modules cannot be added.
3- Their Mac air does not have an optical drive.
4- Their iPhone doesn't have extra memory.
5- Their iPods don't read all music formats
lol that was pretty funny. Though I didn't get the Krusty joke... maybe that's the point
Comparing Apple and Barcelona is not a bad idea: while you may like or not like their intrinsic qualities, both brands are just trying too hard to buils a "special" feeling around it.
Comparing Apple and Barcelona is not a bad idea: while you may like or not like their intrinsic qualities, both brands are just trying too hard to buils a "special" feeling around it.
I mean about Apple, not a "you people" conversation, that's a new concept
A vehicle? How many hours do you spend in your vehicle, are you a truck driver? I use my computer pretty much all the time. So yeah, it matters.
A vehicle? How many hours do you spend in your vehicle, are you a truck driver? I use my computer pretty much all the time. So yeah, it matters.
A vehicle as in the ramifications of owning one are a bit more dangerous than those that come from owning a computer.
It matters to you. I use my computer for school and entertainment. I don't think it's really what kind of computer you own that reflects personal values, but probably more of a how you use it question. What programs your prefer, if you have movies, if you use it primarily for work, what desktop you have up, etc. All of these things go way beyond the type of computer you own.
Values are determined by your actions.
So you didn't imply by saying that "anyone with half a brain see their fakeness"(paraphrasing) that those who didn't see the fakeness are stupid?
It's all about what you want out of your computer. What Mac's do they do pretty well. The majority of people who purchase computers don't really know much about them. Therefore they're less likely to wish to expand memory, etc. A Mac is a very good computer for those people.
Guy like you and Martin who have the ability and the want to get more bang for your buck out of a computer really have no need for a Mac. Which is why I think the debate is stupid.
It's all about what you want out of your computer. What Mac's do they do pretty well. The majority of people who purchase computers don't really know much about them. Therefore they're less likely to wish to expand memory, etc. A Mac is a very good computer for those people.
Guy like you and Martin who have the ability and the want to get more bang for your buck out of a computer really have no need for a Mac. Which is why I think the debate is stupid.
If you say so.
Kind = brand. You say brand names reflect a person's values or personality. My point was that how someone uses their computer, through customization of its features or whatever you want to call it is a more accurate reflection of values or self than simply the brand of computer someone owns or operating system he prefers.
You're actions reflect your values, no? If you go and kill someone you probably have bad morals.
But you're right motivation does lead to action. I guess I'll just go back to my original point that a computer isn't a completely accurate litmus test for a person's values.
In the words of Gary Busey, "How do you know? You weren't in my body".
Kind = brand. You say brand names reflect a person's values or personality. My point was that how someone uses their computer, through customization of its features or whatever you want to call it is a more accurate reflection of values or self than simply the brand of computer someone owns or operating system he prefers.
You're actions reflect your values, no? If you go and kill someone you probably have bad morals.
But you're right motivation does lead to action. I guess I'll just go back to my original point that a computer isn't a completely accurate litmus test for a person's values.
In the words of Gary Busey, "How do you know? You weren't in my body".
1 - Buy an extra battery, it is possible.
2 - When you buy the computer, get more RAM, if you think you might want or need more, then get more.
3 - OR A CD/DVD ROM DRIVE, OHH NO! What I mentioned is a bigger deal.
4 - Don't like it? Get a Blackberry.
5 - You can change all formats through iTunes to ones that can be read.
2 - When you buy the computer, get more RAM, if you think you might want or need more, then get more.
3 - OR A CD/DVD ROM DRIVE, OHH NO! What I mentioned is a bigger deal.
4 - Don't like it? Get a Blackberry.
5 - You can change all formats through iTunes to ones that can be read.
For the record I don't care if you give a toss. To each his own toss.
I understood your viewpoint on the product question. Don't worry about that.
I've just always felt your opinion on Barcelona and La Liga to a point was a bit silly but that debate is for another time and place.
I understood your viewpoint on the product question. Don't worry about that.
I've just always felt your opinion on Barcelona and La Liga to a point was a bit silly but that debate is for another time and place.
Bürke an optical drive IS a CD, a DVD or a combination of both
And nice of you mentioning Blackberry because that's exactly what I meant from the very beginning.
And that debate is not happening ever again, you can take my word on that.
Bürke an optical drive IS a CD, a DVD or a combination of both And nice of you mentioning Blackberry because that's exactly what I meant from the very beginning.
Bürke an optical drive IS a CD, a DVD or a combination of both
And nice of you mentioning Blackberry because that's exactly what I meant from the very beginning.
On another note:
Can we start an argument about how bad an idea it is to have email on your cell phone?