The ManU storm... (1 Viewer)

Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
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If Sir Alex wasn't getting his drawers in a twist about it yesterday, they're definitely tightening beneath his slacks today: the Roy Keane storm he'd hoped to sit out in the cellar has been upgraded to a Grade Five hurricane, and Fergie's refusal to discuss it has been rendered slightly ridiculous by the sight of Rio Ferdinand spinning above his head in the Twister-esque debris. Because, despite that late-night bonfire at the Trafford DevilBowl, a bootleg of Keano's magnificent MUTV interview is rumoured to be doing the rounds, and it's every bit as tasty as those other X-rated tapes you've got stashed in the airing cupboard.

"Just because you are paid GBP120,000-a-week and play well for 20 minutes against Tottenham, you think you are a superstar," Keane reportedly fumed, his bile splattering Rio's gormless chops in the movie's money shot. "It seems that in this club you have to play badly to be rewarded. Maybe that is what I should do when I come back. There is talk about putting this right in January and bringing new players in. We should be doing the opposite - we should be getting rid of people in January."

Keane could be first out the door if he's not careful, but for now Lord Fergie's got more pressing matters to deal with - like getting a result against Lille in Big Cup tonight. The MU Glazer Sox only need a point from each of their remaining three games to go through, but
mediocrity looked like a far-flung aspiration when they faced Lille last time and the French side haven't made a habit of conceding in Europe this season. That said, they haven't exactly taken to scoring either (played 3, goals 0), so unless Rio shanks an attempted
clearance into his own net, Fergie should be home and dry.



See a commentary of the interview and others like it here, I am looking for the video.
 

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Sep 14, 2003
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#2
++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
... a bootleg of Keano's magnificent MUTV interview is rumoured to be doing the rounds, and it's every bit as tasty as those other X-rated tapes you've got stashed in the airing cupboard.
Mine are all on DVD :D
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
9,576
#3
++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
Keane could be first out the door if he's not careful...
He always did like to lead by example.

As usual, he was spot on, though I thought VDS didn't deserve a berating - he's been very good all season. Middlesbrough hardly counts. :)
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
11,726
#4
where's the bit about VDS? Can't find the whole thing on the guardian.

What I read though I fully agree with

EDIT found it
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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#5
MIRROR SPORT lifts the lid today on the Roy Keane interview that has torn Manchester United apart.

The United captain named and shamed nearly the whole team which was humiliated 4-1 at Middlesbrough on Saturday night. But we can reveal that Keane reserved his most stinging criticism for England defender Rio Ferdinand.

He told MUTV in the interview they were banned from broadcasting: "Just because you are paid £120,000-a-week and play well for 20 minutes against Tottenham, you think you are a superstar.

"The younger players have been let down by some of the more experienced players. They are just not of characters in the team. It seems to be in this club that you have to play badly to be rewarded.

"Maybe that is what I should do when I come back. Play badly."

The sarcasm in Keane's words could not hide his continuing passion for a club he believes is failing its fans.

And Keane was last night said to be "unrepentant" over the interview but is angry at the way he has been treated.


United's desire to preserve harmony within the squad may see his leaving date brought forward to the January transfer window. Sources close to fiery Irishman Keane last night revealed the 34-year-old's fury at not being informed until late on about the decision to pull his interview because of its controversial content.


Chief executive David Gill (above) gave the order after viewing the tape. United's players are contracted to appear on MUTV and air their views on matters at Old Trafford, with manager Sir Alex Ferguson happy in the past for his captain to act as his mouthpiece.


That is why Keane is furious that what he saw as constructive criticism and honest forthright views were deemed to be potentially too damaging to be broadcast.


ROY KEANE has been sitting on the sidelines for six weeks watching Manchester United slip behind Wigan, Bolton and Charlton in the title race. And he has had enough.

We can reveal in the 'Plays the Pundit' slot on MUTV that has erupted in controversy, Keane not only laid into defender Rio Ferdinand's approach, but harshly criticised senior players and attacked the younger members of United's faltering team.

They trail Premiership leaders Chelsea by 13 points and are far from certain of progressing in the Champions League and Keane said: "There is talk about putting this right in January and bringing players in. We should be doing the opposite - we should be getting rid of people in January."

Keane has often acted as Sir Alex Ferguson's public mouthpiece, but it was the manager who made the decision not to broadcast the interview after he was alerted to its contents.

The player is understood to be standing by his criticisms which included harsh words for the multi-millionaire senior players who he believes are responsible for the general malaise at the two-time European champions.

He named keeper Edwin Van der Sar, Paul Scholes and Ruud van Nistelrooy, but reserved his most pointed attack for Ferdinand, who delayed signing a new deal in the summer until he had secured club record wages of £6.24 million a year.

"Just because you are paid £120,000-a-week and play well for 20 minutes against Tottenham, you think you are a superstar.


"The younger players have been let down by some of the more experienced ones - they are not leading. There is a shortage of characters.


"It seems to be in this club you have to play badly to be rewarded. Maybe that is what I should do when I come back - play badly."


In his analysis of Saturday's humiliating 4-1 defeat by Middlesbrough Keane admitted: "I wasn't surprised by the result I had been expecting one like this.


"The players have been asked questions and they are just not coming up with the answers.


"I am sick of having to say it and they are sick of listening to me.


"They have let down the club, the manager, and the fans.


"When they sign the contracts, they think they have made it. They owe it to the manager, the staff and the fans."


Keane also slammed the young generation of players he says have failed to win the trophies to justify their inflated wages. "These guys thought getting new contracts was the best day of their careers," he said.


"They think they have made it. They haven't."


And the United captain insisted a long injury list also including Gary Neville, Gabriel Heinze and Ryan Giggs could not be used as an excuse for a lack of effort on the pitch.


"The fact they are out should be enough incentive for those coming in to play better and give more," he said. "It is not enough to play well for 20 minutes, it is a 90-minute game.


"You get well rewarded but you have to put the hard work to earn those rewards."


But last month the former Ireland midfielder shocked the Old Trafford hierarchy by using MUTV to announce he will quit the club at the end of the season after failing to be offered a new deal.


And this time the 34-year-old, out with a broken foot, has gone even further in a rant resembling his famous outburst against Ireland manager Mick McCarthy at the last World Cup.


Just a fortnight ago Sir Alex was still claiming Keane could be persuaded to sign a one-year contract extension and play a 14th season at Old Trafford.


And Keane did avoid directly criticising the United manager and said "he will put it right."


But doing so with a dressing room still including Keane appears impossible.


WHAT ROY SAID IN THAT INTERVIEW


KEANE ON: EDWIN VAN DER SAR


Analysing the first goal United condeded against Middlesbrough, when Edwin Van der Sar let slip a 30-yard shot... He should have saved that. That was saveable


KEANE ON: JOHN O'SHEA


He's just strolling around when he should have been busting a gut to get back


KEANE ON: RIO FERDINAND


Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink robbed Ferdinand for the second goal... I have seen that happen to Rio before. It is poor defending


KEANE ON: DARREN FLETCHER


I can't understand why people in Scotland rave about Darren Fletcher


KEANE ON: KEIRAN RICHARDSON


On the penalty Richardson gave away.... He is a lazy defender who deserved to get punished.. he wasn't doing his job


KEANE ON: ALAN SMITH


What is he doing there? He is wandering around as if he is lost. He doesn't know what he is doing
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
where's the bit about VDS? Can't find the whole thing on the guardian.

What I read though I fully agree with
Keane said that he should have saved the 30 yarder at Middlesbrough. Probably true, but it seems spiteful to have go at a player who's done so little wrong. It's not like he was short of other targets. :)

EDIT: Ah, I see you've found it. :D
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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#7
++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Keane said that he should have saved the 30 yarder at Middlesbrough. Probably true, but it seems spiteful to have go at a player who's done so little wrong. It's not like he was short of other targets. :)
YEah I tend to agree with that. VDS has been united's best player this season so far.. arguably the only one to have consistently performed to a world class standard.

I like what he said about Fletcher though - why Ferguson rates him so highly i'll never know
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
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Agreed about Fletcher.

I thought Richardson was an easy target - he's playing out of position, of course his positioning is going to suck, and he's hardly going to be the most composed tackler in the world.

The comments on O'Shea were bang on - he's been lazy, ditto Ferdinand.
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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I must admit i like O'Shea as a defender, very good on the ball and solid - so I've been pretty disappointed in him this year. Thought they could do without Heinze for that reason.

Main man they are missing and I've said so before is Gaz Neville not only because he's arguably the best rightback in the world - in fact probably he is, but without Keano playing he's the only natural leader left on the pitch. They would never have conceded 4 goals with him on the pitch, it would be unfathomable
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
I must admit i like O'Shea as a defender, very good on the ball and solid - so I've been pretty disappointed in him this year. Thought they could do without Heinze for that reason.
His first season, he was amazing. I remember Man Utd going out of the CL to Madrid that season, beaten soundly by a brilliant Ronaldo playing in front of Zidane, Raul and Roberto Carlos, who tormented United that evening. The only Man Utd players to come out of that match with any credit were van Nistelrooy, who scored an excellent goal, and O'Shea, who worked the left flank in a not-so-pale imitation of what Carlos was doing on the far side of the pitch.


Main man they are missing and I've said so before is Gaz Neville not only because he's arguably the best rightback in the world - in fact probably he is, but without Keano playing he's the only natural leader left on the pitch. They would never have conceded 4 goals with him on the pitch, it would be unfathomable
Losing both Neville and Heinze has left that defense with all the determination of a neutered poodle. Run at them, and they'll hide. Yes, there is a destinct lack of a voice on the pitch, but there's also a lack of players who look like they care.
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
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#11
Yeah good points all round. Looking at it, on paper with a full strength squad United have a very good defense, VDS, Rio, Neville, Heinze, O'Shea and a great strikeforce RVN, Rooney, Smith, Saha etc. You gotta look at that midfield though, its getting to the point you fear for them against the likes of Chelsea.

Park Ji Sung - you have to say unproven at this level, has hardly set the world alight so far

Ronaldo - temperemental, no end product most of the time, hardly the finished article

Keane - past it imo
Scholes - ditto
Giggs - getting on as well

hmm... January can't come soon enough for Fergie - provided he's still in the job that is
 

Ramin

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Nov 18, 2003
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What does it take for Man U. to sack Ferguson? He's done fck all the past few years? And splashing all the money on Rooney, when they already had a good set of strikers is just plain stupid. United's defence have been crap ever since Stam left. What the hell is a player like Wes Brown doing in a club like Man U.?

As far as Fergie is still in charge, nothing will change imo.
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Ramin ] ++
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What does it take for Man U. to sack Ferguson? He's done fck all the past few years? And splashing all the money on Rooney, when they already had a good set of strikers is just plain stupid. United's defence have been crap ever since Stam left. What the hell is a player like Wes Brown doing in a club like Man U.?

As far as Fergie is still in charge, nothing will change imo.
:groan:

Thats just stupid. Nothing wrong with defence, its midfield, get rid of Keane, Scholes and Giggs.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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The midfield is the problem for Sir Alex...Alan Smith just cannot do the same job for Manure as Roy Keane. The difference is night and day.

But hopefully we will be hearing about Sir Alex Sack rumours in the coming days...I absolutely love it.
 
Feb 26, 2005
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Keane was right - but he should've taken down Fergie too

There was just one thing wrong with Roy Keane's brilliant MUTV rant, argues Rob Smyth - it didn't take Sir Alex Ferguson to task for what he's doing to Manchester United.


As usual, it took Roy Keane to cut through the crap and deliver a damning and entirely valid verdict on the dramatic demise of Manchester United. In fact, there was only one problem with Keane's MUTV rant - it didn't go far enough. If Keane was truly uncensored, it would be fascinating to get his views on the influence of failure specialist Carlos Queiroz, who has neutered United's attacking elan. And what would really boost MUTV's dismal ratings would be Keane's views on his manager.

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Keane has been his master's voice for the past decade, and now he is barking against Ferguson. The United manager, under fire from all corners, will feel the harsh bite of his captain's criticism more than the rest combined. When United won the Premiership in 1999, the first part of the Treble, Ferguson charged giddily onto the pitch and went straight to embrace one man: Keane. When, a few weeks earlier, Keane and Paul Scholes received yellow cards in Turin that would rule them out of the European Cup final, Ferguson spoke of Keane's "tragedy" and his desire to appeal the decision. He didn't even mention Scholes's name. This was love as its most unconditional.

Ferguson and Keane have had as close a relationship as any between manager and player in football history. They saw in each other a mirror image of themselves. Ferguson cut Keane slack for his misdemeanours; Keane gave Ferguson the most influential and talismanic footballer since Maradona, a man without whose iron will a team of superstars just could not function. Now, as then, Keane was at the centre of all that is going on Old Trafford: it is he for whom Ferguson changed his system to the hated 4-3-2-1 last season; it is he who United look so rudderless without; and it is he who, after months of everything being brushed assiduously and patronisingly under the carpet, has finally told it like it is. United are an absolute shambles at the moment, and nobody else at the club seems willing or able to face that fact.

Unsurprisingly, Keane's comments were vetoed by Ferguson. It is not the first time they have fallen out (there was a much-publicised contretemps in Portugal this summer) and the thawing of their relationship is symbolic of Ferguson's demise. Keane's values - the remorseless pursuit of excellence at all costs; the bristling intolerance of the bullshit and excuses of modern sport - have not changed. Ferguson's have. He has become resigned to and tolerant of a mediocrity that Keane cannot countenance.

Ferguson, of course, has always been sensitive to criticism. The BBC are currently being ignored, and if he had his way he wouldn't do any press conferences. He has even taken to saying "Well done" at the end of pre- and post-match TV interviews to the startled interviewer, presumably for not asking any difficult questions. Why did you sell Jaap Stam, Sir Alex? No, really, Sir Alex - why did you sell Jaap Stam? What does Liam Miller do to earn more per week than most of your supporters earn per annum? Why are you earning £4m per year if, as Ryan Giggs says, you have given Queiroz "the responsibility to train us, prepare us for games, organise the team and decide the things we need to work on"?

The culture of fear duly created, Ferguson has been able to get away with doing as he pleases. The consequence is that only in the underground world of fanzines and pub talk is the truth that dare not speak its name being spoken: Sir Alex Ferguson has demonstrably, irrefutably lost the plot.

Most United fans have had enough. They have had enough of 4-3-2-1; of an abuse of the heritage of the club that has not occurred since the Sexton years; of the moronic twitter of the man they lovelessly call Carlos Queirozzzz; of the fact that only a Scouser, a sub-standard Leeds fan and a Portuguese pretty boy show the requisite desire; of a gaping chasm where once there was the best midfield in Europe; of the apathy of Lord Chav Rio Ferdinand; of Sir Alex Ferguson.

This should not be confused, as it has by Arsène Wenger among others, with a lack of respect for Ferguson, or gratitude for what unprecedented happiness he has brought to the club. "Every single one of us loves Alex Ferguson," is a song that will be heard around Old Trafford for years to come, and the joy Ferguson has brought imbues the failure of an essentially decent man with a brutal poignancy. But if you love someone you have to set them free and, based on the unforgiving demands of modern football, and his performance over the last five years, Ferguson does not deserve to be manager of Manchester United. Reputation and gratitude are not enough.

In United's glory years, Ferguson told of a trick he would use at the start of each season to keep his players on their toes. He would assemble the squad and show them an envelope, in which, he said, were two or three names of players he felt had taken their eye off the ball, and who he was keeping an eye on. In reality, the envelope was empty (although Paul Ince and David Beckham were sold for precisely that reason). But if Ferguson opened it now, he might get a seriously nasty surprise.

The problems go back to the summer of 2001, when he sold Stam, paid £28.1m for the curse known as Juan Sebastian Veron and killed a golden goose that was delivering a Premiership every year in pursuit of a farewell European Cup at Hampden Park. Since then, he has made some desperate mistakes. These are not borderline errors of judgement; they are decisions that fly in the face of all rhyme and reason.

There is his record in the transfer market, with at least three Klebersons for every Gabriel Heinze and the shocking failure to address the decline of a once-majestic midfield; the delegation of significant power to the ruinous and incessantly negative Queiroz, which has made United neither successful nor entertaining, despite Queiroz's belief-beggaring proclamation that: "We are producing the most exciting, attacking football in the league".

Then there is the inexplicable persistence with a phalanx of incompetents. Like John O'Shea; once referred to as looking like a thin Peter Kay, now he just looks like Peter Kay. Like Alan Smith who, for all his admirable endeavour, has more chance of being the new Eminem than the new Roy Keane. Like Scholes, who has been rewarded for a season of sleepwalking with the captaincy. Like Ruud van Nistelrooy, who surrenders possession time after time after time and then falls over. Like Darren Fletcher, a teacher's pet in the McClair mould who is, at this stage of his career, simply not good enough.

Then there is the incessant tinkering - Fletcher ahead of Ronaldo for the last two, must-win league games; dropping Ronaldo, Scholes and Wayne Rooney to derail United's title charge at Crystal Palace last season. In the summer, with that match in mind, Stubborn of Govan said he would no longer rest players in league matches. That lasted about a month.

Nor is it the only strange comment Ferguson has made of late. Previously he has always related to the fans; now he seems to have contracted Queiroz's contempt for the people who pay him £4m a year. Take his recent declaration that United only know how to attack, or his pathetic, hair-splitting assertion that United were playing 4-4-1-1 and not 4-4-2 after they scored three whole goals in one half at Fulham last month. Most insulting of all was his suggestion that disgruntled United fans could go and watch Chelsea.

Now, if reports are to be believed, Ferguson is ready to bite off his purple nose to spite his face and let Keane go. If he does, it will be the final proof: Sir Alex Ferguson has demonstrably, irrefutably lost the plot.

culled from here: http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,1606172,00.html
 
Feb 26, 2005
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After losing to Lille in what was another poor display, surely the alarm bells are ringing at the Old Trafford Devil Bowl. Malcolm Glazer must surely be pondering whether he has indeed purchased a lemon.

The "Sack Fergie" brigade will be sharpening its knives now, preparing for an assault that will make what happened to Julius Ceaser look like a mild chiding.

It is well known that Fergie has long had frosty relations with the press, and that he even refuses to speak with BBC reporters. Sadly (for him) these are the same persons who now hold his career in their hands. A few scathing editorials, and suddenly Fergie will find himself being pushed towards the exit doors at the Manchester Glazerina. The only way Fergie can save his neck is to somehow cajole a winning performance out of his prima donna players against Chel$ki.

It's going to be a very interesting week.
 

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