The Lebanese political crisis!!! (14 Viewers)

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
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Yup he's right. Junblat held a press conference about that today and obliged his loyalty to Syria.

Bil 7arf 2il wa7ad 7aka heik.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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I did check the facts, and those are just what I told you. Answer this please, isn't the military service a requirement for any israeli student to get into college? Yes or no? Im sure you won't lie and actually answer with a yes so how can an Arab student who is relieved from just that actually be part of those colleges.

And for that reason many of those Palestinians come to neighboring countries most of all Jordan to study here and get their bachelor degree because racists rule your country.

Now try to deny that out of your ass.

Oh and I almost forgot, the newspaper you're talking about was forced to close years ago. And there really aren't any political T.V shows for the Arab views, maybe some Arabs who are payed to publicize your ideas but certainly not one that represents Arabs in Palestine.
Again, you need to check your sources, there is 100% no requaierment of milltery service in order to get to any college, not even all jewish Israeili served in the army. those two issues are tottaly unrealated.

Palestinians are a diff matter as they are not Israeli citizens,therefor wont studie in Israel, you seem to get those two confused for some reason. Arabs-Israelis have their own tv shows and radio stations and I the Palestinians have their own.

those are two diffarente populations, each with is own issues to disscuss.
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
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Again, you need to check your sources, there is 100% no requaierment of milltery service in order to get to college, not even all jewish Israeili served in the army. those two issues are tottaly unrealated.
What do you mean military service and collge are not related in israel?

Overview of Higher Education in Israel

Israel has a well-respected system of higher education which includes public universities and public and private colleges. Some of its universities have high standings in world university rankings. Due to compulsory military service, many students do not begin their studies until their early 20's. However, Israel has a very high number of degrees per capita with about 20 percent of the population attaining a degree.

http://www.braintrack.com/linknav.htm?level=3&pprevid=165
As you can see, people can't get into colleges without having either served in the army or getting a a medical excuse approved by the army. Other than that there's no way for students to get into colleges. Stop lying.

Palestinians are a diff matter as they are not Israeli citizens,therefor wont studie in Israel, you seem to get those two confused for some reason. Arabs-Israelis have their own tv shows and radio stations and I the Palestinians have their own.

those are two diffarente populations, each with is own issues to disscuss
I know that. I was referring to Palestinians inside what is now called Israel.
 
Jun 13, 2007
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Dance around this all you want with those conspiracy theories, there is an investigation going on and all the fingers are pointing at hizbaullah and Syria, deny it all you want.

Blaming Isreal on a pure hunch without any supporting facts just show how blind some pepole are in their hatred, and all common sense flys out of the window.

Oh, lets not forget, The mossad blow up the twin towers to start a global war on muslim terror, Yeah...

And the My country was approved by the UN, who divided the land for jews and arabs, but that wasnt good for those guys, so seven arab armies declared war on a tiny country. I'm truly sorry that we didnt pack our things and left but fought back.
And you can ask any Arab-Israeli what they would prefer, an Israeli rule or an Arab one and you will be suprised, they live in a better state then any other arabs in the middel east by miles.

No one's blaming Israel on a hunch. There are good reasons why Israel would want to destroy the only country in the region(besides Palestine) that is willing to fight them back. Lebanon is your country's threat. Why? Because they have an organized Militia in Hizbullah that is backed by Iran and that scares the shit out of your government.


Your country was approved by the UN? Do you even know that Israel does not recognize the International criminal court? You are recognized by the U.N because you are backed by the greatest superpower in the world.

It's like trying to get into a night club with Chuck Ladel backing you up. How the fuck is the bouncer going to say no?

I don't even want to start with how many obscene crimes Israel has committed in this region, already.

So no, it's not far-fetched at all that Israel was the root of Hariri's assassination.
It might not be the case, I don't claim to know. But it's not out of the question at all. You guys are the 'usual suspects' when shit goes bad; whether you like it or not. And there's good reason for that.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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What do you mean military service and collge are not related in israel?
Exactly that, I dont know how I can make it any more clear.

As you can see, people can't get into colleges without having either served in the army or getting a a medical excuse approved by the army. Other than that there's no way for students to get into colleges. Stop lying.
If you are going to dissmiss everything i say as a lie, then there is no reason for me to answer you anymore, Either take my word for it or check it yourself.

I know that. I was referring to Palestinians inside what is now called Israel.
So you are worng again
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
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No one's blaming Israel on a hunch. There are good reasons why Israel would want to destroy the only country in the region(besides Palestine) that is willing to fight them back. Lebanon is your country's threat. Why? Because they have an organized Militia in Hizbullah that is backed by Iran and that scares the shit out of your government.


Your country was approved by the UN? Do you even know that Israel does not recognize the International criminal court? You are recognized by the U.N because you are backed by the greatest superpower in the world.

It's like trying to get into a night club with Chuck Ladel backing you up. How the fuck is the bouncer going to say no?

I don't even want to start with how many obscene crimes Israel has committed in this region, already.

So no, it's not far-fetched at all that Israel was the root of Hariri's assassination.
It might not be the case, I don't claim to know. But it's not out of the question at all. You guys are the 'usual suspects' when shit goes bad; whether you like it or not. And there's good reason for that.
Israel might have been the resonsible, both of us dont realy know,I just pointed how i see things, I'm fully awere we are the "usual suspect" and i get it, I just dont belive this is the case with the Harrir assassination, thats all.
Sacerd to shit? your pushing it, we seiged and took Beirut already once, belive me we can do it again in a matter of days, When all hell will break loose you can bet that not much will be left in Lebanon to look at.

Israel commiting crimes is another issue as i can say the same about hizballah and every other fundamental muslim terror orgnization in the region. trust when i say i wish it would all end , but its a rather complicated situation and some pepole need to accept that israel wont just go away one day.

Chuck ladel :lol:
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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oh, and JBF, try to gusse what arab country refused to acknowledge the palastine state ? If your own country dosnt want them to have a state then what is it you want from us exactly?

Theres your solidarity
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
Im Palestinian, fool. I lived in Jordan all my life because some thief took my home 62 years ago.

And what the fuck are you talking about? Arabs having issues between themselves what's new there? King Hussein didn't want to acknowledge Palestine at that time because it meant acknowledging Arafat who was recognized as an enemy back then. All that changed long time ago. But that won't stop you from spiting BS now will it.

Oh, and what I want from you exactly? MY COUNTRY.
 
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
Israel might have been the resonsible, both of us dont realy know,I just pointed how i see things, I'm fully awere we are the "usual suspect" and i get it, I just dont belive this is the case with the Harrir assassination, thats all.
Sacerd to shit? your pushing it, we seiged and took Beirut already once, belive me we can do it again in a matter of days, When all hell will break loose you can bet that not much will be left in Lebanon to look at.

Israel commiting crimes is another issue as i can say the same about hizballah and every other fundamental muslim terror orgnization in the region. trust when i say i wish it would all end , but its a rather complicated situation and some pepole need to accept that israel wont just go away one day.

Chuck ladel :lol:
Israel probably could destroy Lebanon to ashes because of air strikes of course. But you can't invade the country and that was clear in 2000 and 2006. Hezbollah are an organized Militia that know exactly how to dismantle an organized army, no matter how strong.

You can defeat Hizbullah by land, not by air. And if you destroy this country entirely, you are running the risk of including super powers like Iran and the U.S.
Your government is aware of the consequences and that's why they haven't done it already.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
Im Palestinian, fool. I lived in Jordan all my life because some thief took my home 62 years ago.

And what the fuck are you talking about? Arabs having issues between themselves what's new there? King Hussein didn't want to acknowledge Palestine at that time because it meant acknowledging Arafat who was recognized as an enemy back then. All that changed long time ago. But that won't stop you from spiting BS now will it.

Oh, and what I want from you exactly? MY COUNTRY.
No, jordan didnt want a plastinian state beacuse they wanted the land of the west bank not beacuse of Arafat, thats correct also but was a bit later.

I feel sory for the land yor pepole lost,I truly do and i know it dosnt mean shit to you.
But the past is out of our controle, The jews who fled europe didnt came to israel with a manifest to kick the arabs out, There was a war for survival that we didnt started and you guys lost, its that simple.
The history of the world is full with stories like this and its a part of the shit we humans do for centuries now.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
Israel probably could destroy Lebanon to ashes because of air strikes of course. But you can't invade the country and that was clear in 2000 and 2006. Hezbollah are an organized Militia that know exactly how to dismantle an organized army, no matter how strong.

You can defeat Hizbullah by land, not by air. And if you destroy this country entirely, you are running the risk of including super powers like Iran and the U.S.
Your government is aware of the consequences and that's why they haven't done it already.
We havent done it already. beacuse belive it or not, we are not looking for conflicts.

the only reason it seemed like we are unbale to defeat hizbullah on land was purly logistic and the army wasnt tacticly preperd to go to war, it was like a snow ball, and even then still you cant compare the losses on of the two sides.
Pepole in israel dont enjoy sending their sons to war, when the casualties on our side started to be significnt (44 to be exact) the pressure of the public stoped the fighting not the army. But belive me with our back to the wall it will be a diffarent matter even on land.
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
No, jordan didnt want a plastinian state beacuse they wanted the land of the west bank not beacuse of Arafat, thats correct also but was a bit later.
Jordan and the west bank were historically one unit. even in the times of the Ottmans. Simply because Jordan was/is mostly desert so all the shit was done in the west bank. So yeah, when shit hit the fan the Jordanians wanted control over the PLO and when we refused they refused to acknowledge our state.

I feel sory for the land yor pepole lost,I truly do and i know it dosnt mean shit to you.
I respect you for that, I really do. Only a few of your countrymen would say that and actually mean it.

But the past is out of our controle, The jews who fled europe didnt came to israel with a manifest to kick the arabs out, There was a war for survival that we didnt started and you guys lost, its that simple.
The history of the world is full with stories like this and its a part of the shit we humans do for centuries now
Look mate, don't think for one second Im calling for the destruction of your community and people. All Im asking for is my own people to have their country back, even parts of it. Im not saying it's gonna be easy but I want the least of my rights and that is the West bank and Gaza for my People, the ones who now live in shitty conditions whether inside of Palestine or outside of it.

The two state solution could well work if it wasn't for the extremists ruling your country, who on the slightest hint of hope blow the whole peace process.
 
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
We havent done it already. beacuse belive it or not, we are not looking for conflicts.

the only reason it seemed like we are unbale to defeat hizbullah on land was purly logistic and the army wasnt tacticly preperd to go to war, it was like a snow ball, and even then still you cant compare the losses on of the two sides.
Pepole in israel dont enjoy sending their sons to war, when the casualties on our side started to be significnt (44 to be exact) the pressure of the public stoped the fighting not the army. But belive me with our back to the wall it will be a diffarent matter even on land.

You couldn't invade Lebanon because Hezbollah were too prepared, believe it or not. That terrorist organization is pretty fucking competent. You're own army described Hezbollah as 'Ghosts' who appeared out of nowhere. They had no reply because they underestimated Hezbollah, plain and simple. They were prepared for war, alright, just not the right kind of war.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
Look mate, don't think for one second Im calling for the destruction of your community and people. All Im asking for is my own people to have their country back, even parts of it. Im not saying it's gonna be easy but I want the least of my rights and that is the West bank and Gaza for my People, the ones who now live in shitty conditions whether inside of Palestine or outside of it.

The two state solution could well work if it wasn't for the extremists ruling your country, who on the slightest hint of hope blow the whole peace process.
I get that. the situation is even more complicated when you pepole have two active goverments, the west bank and Gaza a ruled by two diffarent factions, c'mon whats up with that? who can we deal with that?

The political situation in israel is fucked up, your right. I would put our PM head on a stick if i could but Hamas rulling in gaza dosent help your cause either.
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
I get that. the situation is even more complicated when you pepole have two active goverments, the west bank and Gaza a ruled by two diffarent factions, c'mon whats up with that? who can we deal with that?

The political situation in israel is fucked up, your right. I would put our PM head on a stick if i could but Hamas rulling in gaza dosent help your cause either.
I agree. We need a unified government that would actually present the Palestinian people instead of these bunch of thieves and thugs who are only there for their own gain.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
You couldn't invade Lebanon because Hezbollah were too prepared, believe it or not. That terrorist organization is pretty fucking competent. You're own army described Hezbollah as 'Ghosts' who appeared out of nowhere. They had no reply because they underestimated Hezbollah, plain and simple. They were prepared for war, alright, just not the right kind of war.
You might be right to some extant, but the next one (hopfully not) wont be a replay, it will be a diffarent ball gameץ

and there were still 121 israeli army casualties and 700 hizbullah
 
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    Yup he's right. Junblat held a press conference about that today and obliged his loyalty to Syria.

    Bil 7arf 2il wa7ad 7aka heik.
    I lost all respect I had for him now and I highly respected him.
     

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