The Lebanese political crisis!!! (21 Viewers)
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Sad really. Its like a domino effect.
Sudan, Tunis, Algeria, Palestine, Lebanon..
My wife's family were travelling next week there but had to cancel plans!
Sudan, Tunis, Algeria, Palestine, Lebanon..
My wife's family were travelling next week there but had to cancel plans!
The Tribunal investigation for Hariri's murder results will most likely be out in February and if the accusations will hit Hezbollah then things will go pretty bad.
This is not good at all. I don't know if there's going to be any incidents if Hezbollah are accused, because I don't think that Nasrallah will directly give out orders to disrupt anything. But I'm afraid that people from either side will get provoked in many isolated incidents from each other and that could result in something very dangerous.
It would lead into chaos in the country.
Things are looking like some individuals Hezbollah members are involved according to UN and many newspapers. And according to Hezbollah accusing individuals of their party is equivalent to accusing Hezbollah as an entire party. Therefore none of them will be handed to the UN or Lebanese secret services.
If Hezbollah individuals are accused and they refuse to collaborate then you can expect a total mess in Lebanon. The Pro-Hariri supporters will easily clash with Hezbollah supporters and vice-versa, it will lead into Sunni vs Shi'aa conflict in Lebanon since almost all Hariri supporters are Sunni and Hezbollah ones are Shi'aa. And once they clash it will be impossible to stop them.
Right now, the tension is starting to increase in Lebanon with 1month away or little bit more before announcing who was behind Rafik Hariri's assassination.
What's even worse is that Hezbollah are rejecting any involvement in the Rafik Hariri assasination while Saad Hariri son of Rafik Hariri and our current Prime Minister (well, until yesterday) is committed to the tribunal and sees it as the only way to find out the truth that will clean Lebanon's image for once and all.
Things are looking like some individuals Hezbollah members are involved according to UN and many newspapers. And according to Hezbollah accusing individuals of their party is equivalent to accusing Hezbollah as an entire party. Therefore none of them will be handed to the UN or Lebanese secret services.
If Hezbollah individuals are accused and they refuse to collaborate then you can expect a total mess in Lebanon. The Pro-Hariri supporters will easily clash with Hezbollah supporters and vice-versa, it will lead into Sunni vs Shi'aa conflict in Lebanon since almost all Hariri supporters are Sunni and Hezbollah ones are Shi'aa. And once they clash it will be impossible to stop them.
Right now, the tension is starting to increase in Lebanon with 1month away or little bit more before announcing who was behind Rafik Hariri's assassination.
What's even worse is that Hezbollah are rejecting any involvement in the Rafik Hariri assasination while Saad Hariri son of Rafik Hariri and our current Prime Minister (well, until yesterday) is committed to the tribunal and sees it as the only way to find out the truth that will clean Lebanon's image for once and all.
Makes it fishy no?
When everyone was accusing Syria for Hariri's assasination (including me and I still do think they were part of it) Hezbollah as Syrian allies were always asking everyone to wait for the tribunal investigation before accusing Syria. Looks like things has back-fired.
In Lebanon? There's no real general opinion. Half of our population are condemning this even before the results comes out and they're pointing fingers at Israel while the other half feel that Hezbollah were organizing the assassination and took part of it with the help of Iran and Syria.
The thing is that, in Lebanon, if you are lets say pro-Hezbollah even if they give you clear crystal evidence of Hezbollah being involved in this assassination they will still find a way to accuse Israel.
Both sides see nothing but what their politician idols wants them to see.
When everyone was accusing Syria for Hariri's assasination (including me and I still do think they were part of it) Hezbollah as Syrian allies were always asking everyone to wait for the tribunal investigation before accusing Syria. Looks like things has back-fired.
In Lebanon? There's no real general opinion. Half of our population are condemning this even before the results comes out and they're pointing fingers at Israel while the other half feel that Hezbollah were organizing the assassination and took part of it with the help of Iran and Syria.
The thing is that, in Lebanon, if you are lets say pro-Hezbollah even if they give you clear crystal evidence of Hezbollah being involved in this assassination they will still find a way to accuse Israel.
Both sides see nothing but what their politician idols wants them to see.
Azzurri7, I've been floating around the forum for a a few months without posting again, but I got to drop and say that I'm realy impressed by your take on this issue.
I just want to say that I sincerely hope that this will work out as quiekly as possible, for all of our peoples sake.
And how knows, maybe peace will even come of it in the end
I just want to say that I sincerely hope that this will work out as quiekly as possible, for all of our peoples sake.
And how knows, maybe peace will even come of it in the end
It's funny. This whole thing almost makes me not want to know who killed Hariri. I mean, if it's going to destroy this country; then is it really worth it?
Rab, there is one thing I don't understand though. I consider Nasrallah to be one of the smartest politicians and leaders in Lebanon even though I am against his politics, and I would very surprised if he ever gave out orders to kill Hariri and risk destroying his entire organization and everything he has ever worked for.
I just don't think it adds up, you know? The risk here exceeds the benefit. There doesn't seem to be a good motive for Nasrallah to want to do this.
I hope so too... Though I'm not optimistic at all and I see something happening soon between Israel and Lebanon.
As Lebanese I am fed up with all this and peace is what both should be seeking, but fact is Israel are not the type of country to lay back without having the need of controlling middle-east and trying to prove it once in a while and this will always cause conflicts. While Hezbollah on the other hand are always motivated to step into wars [which is wrong] and they wouldn't go for peace negotiations ever, which makes the entire things more complicated.
I wouldn't accuse them just yet so long we don't have evidence or proofs.
And I also think this is not about being coward or brave IMO, it's more about political choices that Hezbollah follow.
Not accepting the fact that they could have a spy or criminals organizations or even thieves in their group/party makes it difficult to negotiate with them at times.
Sad, but really true.
As Lebanese I am fed up with all this and peace is what both should be seeking, but fact is Israel are not the type of country to lay back without having the need of controlling middle-east and trying to prove it once in a while and this will always cause conflicts. While Hezbollah on the other hand are always motivated to step into wars [which is wrong] and they wouldn't go for peace negotiations ever, which makes the entire things more complicated.
I wouldn't accuse them just yet so long we don't have evidence or proofs.
And I also think this is not about being coward or brave IMO, it's more about political choices that Hezbollah follow.
Not accepting the fact that they could have a spy or criminals organizations or even thieves in their group/party makes it difficult to negotiate with them at times.
Sad, but really true.
I know what you mean, at times I don't want to know who killed Hariri as-well because I'm fully aware of the consequences. We are on the verge of exploding. It's about time.
I consider Nasrallah one of the smartest politicians as-well, no question about it. But to answer your post, there are many possibilities, and Nasrallah should know this and accept it before giving indications on where this tribunal is going.
Look, lets say one of Hezbollah men did this, Nasrallah and the big heads were not aware of this, isn't this possible? Isn't there a spy in every country, every party every organization it's possible I say but the worst part is that Nasrallah made it clear that if one of his men any man, from the smallest guard to the big ones are accused he will not hand no one and he will consider it as if they're accusing Hezbollah as an organization which is completely wrong.
Then again, they could be innocent and probably no one will accuse them but putting conditions when things are still not clear makes things fishy and suspicious at times IMO.
I consider Nasrallah one of the smartest politicians as-well, no question about it. But to answer your post, there are many possibilities, and Nasrallah should know this and accept it before giving indications on where this tribunal is going.
Look, lets say one of Hezbollah men did this, Nasrallah and the big heads were not aware of this, isn't this possible? Isn't there a spy in every country, every party every organization it's possible I say but the worst part is that Nasrallah made it clear that if one of his men any man, from the smallest guard to the big ones are accused he will not hand no one and he will consider it as if they're accusing Hezbollah as an organization which is completely wrong.
Then again, they could be innocent and probably no one will accuse them but putting conditions when things are still not clear makes things fishy and suspicious at times IMO.
I don't think Hizbollah know what politic is, and specially Nasrallah. They will do what they believe is right no matter what, they won't make deals with anyone against their wills. You have to admit, they are more trust able on these than other politicians, but sure what they believe are not always right.
I just believe Nasrallah is not that kind of a man that shake one's hand and kill him the other day and praise him the other day.
I always doubted Syria had a hand in this, but now after it is proven they are not guilty, the biggest and only suspects are Israelis..
I just believe Nasrallah is not that kind of a man that shake one's hand and kill him the other day and praise him the other day.
I always doubted Syria had a hand in this, but now after it is proven they are not guilty, the biggest and only suspects are Israelis..
Are you serius? why would Israel have any motivation to do that ? since the assasination, Nasrallah gained more and more power over Lebanon. Do you realy belive the Israelis would want a fantic in charge there?
Thats absurd at best
Hizbollah are controld by forgien powers such as Iran and Syria, they are not there to serve as a pure politcal power. they have no reason to achive peace or economical stability as there funding from over seas will be cut off
Thats absurd at best
Hizbollah are controld by forgien powers such as Iran and Syria, they are not there to serve as a pure politcal power. they have no reason to achive peace or economical stability as there funding from over seas will be cut off
You do have a point. But from another perspective, don't you think Nasrallah is acting the way a leader should. He's signalling unity within Hezbollah by saying this, he can't say, "Okay, some dudes in Hezbollah are corrupt, but I have nothing to do with it."
I mean, it doesn't surprise me that he's defending them. It's what he ought to do. It's like if someone picks on your little brother. Even if it's your brother's fault, you would still stand up for him against some stranger no matter what. That's what Nasrallah is doing. I'm sure he's aware of the possibility that his 'little brothers' may have fucked up, but him sticking up for them is only natural.
It really depends on how you read the situation. But that's just my opinion.