The Lebanese political crisis!!! (38 Viewers)

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Two Lebanese were kidnapped on monday...Zeyad Qabalan and Zeyad Ghandour, one is 24 the other is 12years old.

They were found dead today.


Again nice way of Syrian regime(Bashar) to cause conflicts in Lebanon between the opposition and pro gov. lets see how much time it'll take him to deny that action.
 
Oct 3, 2004
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Definitely sad news to hear in Lebanon.

Apparently it was a revenge killing from the Baalbeck Shi'a "clan" the Shamas family. THey had a person murdered during the January 23 riots in Beirut.

Now according to "clan culture" these people are tribal. They're the worst kinds of people to get in trouble with. If you've killed one of them, then you've signed a contract of revenge for life with these people.

I'm not justifying anything, just pointing out that these people (the kidnappers) are tribal. And even if Hassan Nasralla told them not to do this, they'd still have done it.

They're like Yemeni bedouin tribes.

It's a shame that Lebanon still has to witness such sad events. A 12 year old boy...how the hell does he pose a threat to Lebanon? And his cousin(?) also a young man in his early 20s.

Although the Shamas family have fervently denied any link to the kidnappings, they are the prime suspects.

May their souls rest in peace...:sad:
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
Definitely sad news to hear in Lebanon.

Apparently it was a revenge killing from the Baalbeck Shi'a "clan" the Shamas family. THey had a person murdered during the January 23 riots in Beirut.

Now according to "clan culture" these people are tribal. They're the worst kinds of people to get in trouble with. If you've killed one of them, then you've signed a contract of revenge for life with these people.

I'm not justifying anything, just pointing out that these people (the kidnappers) are tribal. And even if Hassan Nasralla told them not to do this, they'd still have done it.

They're like Yemeni bedouin tribes.

It's a shame that Lebanon still has to witness such sad events. A 12 year old boy...how the hell does he pose a threat to Lebanon? And his cousin(?) also a young man in his early 20s.

Although the Shamas family have fervently denied any link to the kidnappings, they are the prime suspects.

May their souls rest in peace...:sad:
3anjad shi b za3el ya zalame.

Do you know from where from Baalbeck do Shamas family come? what village if you have any idea?
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Two Lebanese were kidnapped on monday...Zeyad Qabalan and Zeyad Ghandour, one is 24 the other is 12years old.

They were found dead today.


Again nice way of Syrian regime(Bashar) to cause conflicts in Lebanon between the opposition and pro gov. lets see how much time it'll take him to deny that action.
3anjad shi b za3el ya zalame.

Do you know from where from Baalbeck do Shamas family come? what village if you have any idea?
So it's not the Syrians? :D
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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So it's not the Syrians? :D
There's nothing official yet, investigation is still on, they refused to declare about the people they arrested...

last time something like this happened, killing(shooting and running) were several Syrians and couple of Palestinians...so thats why I cant keep bashar's option away.
 

Ahmedios

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2006
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Apparently, such a way to revenge isn't exclusive to high Egypt. I've also read about these murders among specific families and tribes in different Arabic countries, what happened in Lebanon is one of them.

It is like a continuous chain of murders which starts mainly due to nonsensical reason. The ancient traditions then the grudges, which most of tribes never think of getting rid of, are the only reasons behind vendettas . When these things happen in the third millinium, you've nothing to say except that this is a mockery. Ironically, I'm here pointing to Egypt where I live, a lot of these crimes are committed by well educated people. They can't even think of refusing to oblige to the rules of their tribes, even if they don't have faith in what they do.

Vendetta is a sign of backwardness and it must be eliminated. If disagreements and quarrels continue amongst families, we'll lose more and more kids and youths, who have no hand in all this chaos, like Zeyad Ghandour and Zeyad Qabalan.

Our greatest and deepest sympathy, may they rest in peace.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Planned, yes. But to what the Vinman said, they had no plans on going ahead with it until the Emperor had time to capitulate. Once he didn't, they went ahead with the second.

Iwo Jima was essentially a dressed rehearsal for a land invasion of Japan to get the Emperor to capitulate. But as vicious as that battle turned out to be, with some 20k killed, it was clear there had to be other solutions than a bloody, prolonged land war on Japanese soil. It was the choice of the lesser of two evils. The debate still goes on which one was lesser, but I would still give the a-bombs the nod on that one.

Even so. Everyone fixates on the atomic bombs -- which today would be classified as puny tactical and not strategic weapons -- and totally miss the magnitude of the American firebombing campaigns on Japan. These were far more deadly to civilians, and far more questionable in terms of ethics, IMO.

The fact that people are quick to point fingers at the atomic bomb drops and yet make no mention at all of the firebombing campaigns is usually proof that those people have only a few limited slices of knowledge on the topic -- and that they are trying to operate logically well beyond where their own knowledge or understanding of the situation falls off. There's no logical reason why someone would ignore evidence that could support their arguments even better than the A-bomb drops ... the only explanation is, to be honest, ignorance of the situation.

Great post, Greg. Many people here probably haven't even heard of the firebombing campaigns.
 

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