The Lebanese political crisis!!! (16 Viewers)

[swag]

THIS is the Truth.

Just an odd, passing observation, IMO. Everytime I've followed that argument made by someone on any discussion of any issue, it invariably turned out to be a gross distortion of the facts if not outright false.

if hezballah isnt lebanese, are they mexican?

Close: East Los Angeles.

 

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[Boudz]

The same government that gave smiles and giggles to Condoleeza Rice when she said she will give Israel more time to bomb.

You should've seen the feast she had afterwards. Kebabs, hummus, tabouli, tasty appetizers, rice & lamb...you name it. The finest Lebanese cuisine, all on Senioura's expense, while our country was getting torn apart.

Then he got up in front of everyone and cried in despair begging for peace.

Double standards.

Why the f*ck do u think Saniora was having lunch with Rice? So he can get laid?? No!!! so he can try to stop the war that Hizballah started!! And you have the nerve to accuse him of "stalling"? Then you make fun of him for crying on TV? He was crying for the 60 woman and babies that were massacred in Qana by Israeli forces. Sorry for having a freaking conscience. Can you honestly tell me that you did not shed one tear after seeing those images on TV? Apparently you dont like a leader that actually cares for his people and will go as far as to "sleep with the enemy" to protect them, won't be afraid to show his true feelings on TV, unlike other leaders who throw their own people under the barrell whenever the F*ck he feels like. All those who accuse Saniora of being a traitor should be ashamed of themselves, because he who endangers his own people for the sake of other countries should really take a close look at themselves before throwing out such hypocritcal accusations!

 

[ReBeL]

Why the f*ck do u think Saniora was having lunch with Rice? So he can get laid?? No!!! so he can try to stop the war that Hizballah started!! And you have the nerve to accuse him of "stalling"? Then you make fun of him for crying on TV? He was crying for the 60 woman and babies that were massacred in Qana by Israeli forces. Sorry for having a freaking conscience. Can you honestly tell me that you did not shed one tear after seeing those images on TV? Apparently you dont like a leader that actually cares for his people and will go as far as to "sleep with the enemy" to protect them, won't be afraid to show his true feelings on TV, unlike other leaders who throw their own people under the barrell whenever the F*ck he feels like. All those who accuse Saniora of being a traitor should be ashamed of themselves, because he who endangers his own people for the sake of other countries should really take a close look at themselves before throwing out such hypocritcal accusations!

If he is that honest, why didn't he agree on making an investigation committee to investigate Nasrallah's accusations for him that he ordered the army to take the arms sent to the south during the war??

Don't tell me that the army denied that, because they simply are not neutral in this thing..

If he ordered them and they implemented his order, then they're a party of the problem...

 

[Boudz]

If he is that honest, why didn't he agree on making an investigation committee to investigate Nasrallah's accusations for him that he ordered the army to take the arms sent to the south during the war??

Don't tell me that the army denied that, because they simply are not neutral in this thing..

If he ordered them and they implemented his order, then they're a party of the problem...

If you knew anything about the Lebanese government system, you would know that Saniora cannot give any orders to the Army. The only one that can give orders to the Army are the General of the Lebanese Army and the President.
And if Saniora were to set up an investigation comittee every time Nasrallah made an accusation we wouldn't get anything done.

 

[ReBeL]

If you knew anything about the Lebanese government system, you would know that Saniora cannot give any orders to the Army. The only one that can give orders to the Army are the General of the Lebanese Army and the President.
And if Saniora were to set up an investigation comittee every time Nasrallah made an accusation we wouldn't get anything done.

But why would Nasrallah accuse him of something out of his responsibilities??

Isn't that too lame to be done at this critical time in Lebanon??

And why didn't Seniora say that he doesn't have a direct contact with the army when he denied it??

 

[Boudz]

But why would Nasrallah accuse him of something out of his responsibilities??

Isn't that too lame to be done at this critical time in Lebanon??

And why didn't Seniora say that he doesn't have a direct contact with the army when he denied it??

Nasrallah seems to be making alot of accusations these days, he stopped making sense months ago. It's very easy to make accusations, just back it up with something, anything!!

 

[Boudz]

By the way who saw Aoun yesterday giving a speech. Here's a picture:

 

[ReBeL]

What do you think of the Tv coverage for the current issue??

Future Vs. Al-Manar

Can anybody tell me please when the Future channel will stop counting??

 

[Boudz]

What do you think of the Tv coverage for the current issue??

Future Vs. Al-Manar

Can anybody tell me please when the Future channel will stop counting??

When the truth of Harrir's assasination comes out.

Future and Manar are very biased, i like to watch New TV they seem neutral and are very professional

 

[JCK]

isnt that what Nasralla suggested, that a presence of both anti-syria and anti-western forces in the government would keep both influences at bay?

What a hypocrite, and he seeks the interference of Syria and Iran.

 

[Azzurri7]

I don't welcome any external interference actually:

I agree. But If I had to choose between meeting Condaliza or Bashar Assad I'll make sure to meet Condy.

isnt that what Nasralla suggested, that a presence of both anti-syria and anti-western forces in the government would keep both influences at bay?

He Indeed suggested that, but still refused an Embassies between us and syria, refused to stop recieving money and arms from Iran and Syria...

The thing is that he accuses others for having a relation with the states, when In-fact they recieve no money no arms but verbal support. While Hezbolla Militia, we pretty much all know what they're recieving from our neighbors.

 

[Azzurri7]

Why the f*ck do u think Saniora was having lunch with Rice? So he can get laid?? No!!! so he can try to stop the war that Hizballah started!! And you have the nerve to accuse him of "stalling"? Then you make fun of him for crying on TV? He was crying for the 60 woman and babies that were massacred in Qana by Israeli forces. Sorry for having a freaking conscience. Can you honestly tell me that you did not shed one tear after seeing those images on TV? Apparently you dont like a leader that actually cares for his people and will go as far as to "sleep with the enemy" to protect them, won't be afraid to show his true feelings on TV, unlike other leaders who throw their own people under the barrell whenever the F*ck he feels like. All those who accuse Saniora of being a traitor should be ashamed of themselves, because he who endangers his own people for the sake of other countries should really take a close look at themselves before throwing out such hypocritcal accusations!

 

[Azzurri7]

By the way who saw Aoun yesterday giving a speech. Here's a picture:

, he looked like a spoiled orange yesterday.

 

[Azzurri7]

What do you think of the Tv coverage for the current issue??

Future Vs. Al-Manar

Can anybody tell me please when the Future channel will stop counting??

When bremerts will put all these behind Hariri's assasination in Jails.

Manar is the worst channel, they pretty much know how to keep their propaganda, unlike Future who have been criticizing Manar for their un-proven facts that they've been stating days ago.


You know whats funny Rebel, that palestinians keep defending Nasrallah and Hezbollah in a way, but the fact is that they have no Idea how much Hezbollah do really dislike the Palestinians....Everything you see, from Manar tv to Nasrallah's speech talking about Qodos and Palestine and all this, is Bla Bla....just to gain supporters, If there's any problem between Hezbollah and other than the gov, is the Palestinians in Leb. They cannot support each-others.

 

[ReBeL]

You know whats funny Rebel, that palestinians keep defending Nasrallah and Hezbollah in a way, but the fact is that they have no Idea how much Hezbollah do really dislike the Palestinians....Everything you see, from Manar tv to Nasrallah's speech talking about Qodos and Palestine and all this, is Bla Bla....just to gain supporters, If there's any problem between Hezbollah and other than the gov, is the Palestinians in Leb. They cannot support each-others.

Well, mate, we have to differentiate between two groups of Palestinians in this issue:

1- Palestinians inside Lebanon: I don't think I know how they're thinking exactly, but I think They want to change their current miserable situation, and this may define their attitude towards the government and the Hezbollah...

2- Palestinians outside Lebanon: I think I know a good number of them that may give me an indication about their viewpoint to the situation in Lebanon. Briefly, we will support anybody that will say "No" to Israel & USA even if he's hiding his real identity...

 

[sateeh]

I don't see why It should be closed as long as members keep their insults out of this thread. It's been good so far.

but ur points of view r not getting any closer and they will not ever be imo.

 

[ReBeL]

but ur points of view r not getting any closer and they will not ever be imo.

Sateeh, bro, we don't have to get identical viewpoints in our debates...

The most important thing IMO is that each one can explain his viewpoint without hurting others...

 

[Rhizoid]

Why the f*ck do u think Saniora was having lunch with Rice? So he can get laid?? No!!! so he can try to stop the war that Hizballah started!! And you have the nerve to accuse him of "stalling"? Then you make fun of him for crying on TV? He was crying for the 60 woman and babies that were massacred in Qana by Israeli forces. Sorry for having a freaking conscience. Can you honestly tell me that you did not shed one tear after seeing those images on TV? Apparently you dont like a leader that actually cares for his people and will go as far as to "sleep with the enemy" to protect them, won't be afraid to show his true feelings on TV, unlike other leaders who throw their own people under the barrell whenever the F*ck he feels like. All those who accuse Saniora of being a traitor should be ashamed of themselves, because he who endangers his own people for the sake of other countries should really take a close look at themselves before throwing out such hypocritcal accusations!

I wasn't making fun, I was just pointing out the double standards. First him and Condy were in smiles and all, then suddenly he cries on two separate occasions, which we were all indeed touched by.

I still see the double standards with what you wrote - He'll go as far as "sleeping with the enemy" to stop a war...where were all of them (the Cabinet) during the first week of the July war? It wasn't until Day 6 or 7 of the conflict that finally somebody spoke up.

And we're not accusing him of being a traitor, but people are judging him with the Mar14 + LF allies he has. His mismanagement, his TVA (V.A.T), his Paris 2, 3 all failures. Nobody is saying that Aoun and Nasrallah will revive Lebanon's economy. They just want to eliminate corruption from this government. Why is Senioura shitting bricks whenever Aoun talks about opening the files of the nouwweb? Why is that he wants to avoid that so much???

Again, for the umpteenth time, Hezballa aren't working for Iran and Syria's agenda...

You have 100s of 1000s of people on the streets now that believe in a National Unity Government plan. Nasralla and Aoun are deceiving all of them, kirmel Syria and Iran?

 

[JCK]

I wasn't making fun, I was just pointing out the double standards. First him and Condy were in smiles and all, then suddenly he cries on two separate occasions, which we were all indeed touched by.

I still see the double standards with what you wrote - He'll go as far as "sleeping with the enemy" to stop a war...where were all of them (the Cabinet) during the first week of the July war? It wasn't until Day 6 or 7 of the conflict that finally somebody spoke up.

And we're not accusing him of being a traitor, but people are judging him with the Mar14 + LF allies he has. His mismanagement, his TVA (V.A.T), his Paris 2, 3 all failures. Nobody is saying that Aoun and Nasrallah will revive Lebanon's economy. They just want to eliminate corruption from this government. Why is Senioura shitting bricks whenever Aoun talks about opening the files of the nouwweb? Why is that he wants to avoid that so much???

Again, for the umpteenth time, Hezballa aren't working for Iran and Syria's agenda...

You have 100s of 1000s of people on the streets now that believe in a National Unity Government plan. Nasralla and Aoun are deceiving all of them, kirmel Syria and Iran?

Nasralla for Syria and Iran and Aoun to become president.

 

[sateeh]

Sateeh, bro, we don't have to get identical viewpoints in our debates...

The most important thing IMO is that each one can explain his viewpoint without hurting others...

fair enough