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Everything is being discussed in the mod forum and you guys will be informed what's it all about and what's the decission.
I can see only speculations here while in fact none of you know what's the real problem about.
Andy has a lot of good friends here (among the mods also) and he doesn't have enemies among the mods (no, Tahir has nothing personal with Andy and you can't be more wrong if you think that Andy will be banned because of Tahir). If he's banned at the end it will be because the majority, or everyone from the mod crew agrees with a ban and it will be because he deserved it.
Personally i hope Andy will help himself not to be banned but he should be ready to spend his time here with a pending ban where the next time he breaks the rules will lead to a permanent ban.
I can see only speculations here while in fact none of you know what's the real problem about.
Andy has a lot of good friends here (among the mods also) and he doesn't have enemies among the mods (no, Tahir has nothing personal with Andy and you can't be more wrong if you think that Andy will be banned because of Tahir). If he's banned at the end it will be because the majority, or everyone from the mod crew agrees with a ban and it will be because he deserved it.
Personally i hope Andy will help himself not to be banned but he should be ready to spend his time here with a pending ban where the next time he breaks the rules will lead to a permanent ban.
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I would like to know what makes him a candidate for yet another ban. No offense, but I have to say weak too because I notice other posters who insult freely but never get the same attention as Andy (even if they might not be as bad, I notice clear inconsistency in coming down on same behaviours, even mods who insult as freely, or misbehave, and have no room being a mod).
I dont think anyone should be left off the hook for being a good poster, which Andy is (even if a hotheaded one who doesnt make it easy for himself by reacting badly to being warned), but even more importantly I think its vital mods be as consistent as possible, and not just target another poster more then others because he is confrontational and easier to spot as he is.
It would help if you told us what the problem is, sympathize if its about being a reaccuring problem and long history of dealing with him, but its important to not make rash decisions (permanent ban sounds like one). I assume you deleted the posts in question that makes you want to ban him yet again after just being back. Simply saying what makes him a candidate for a ban would be nice to know.
P.S Also nice to know whats the deal with blocking him from just a section, seems oxymoronic for a site like thats, and unnecessarily cruel.
I dont think anyone should be left off the hook for being a good poster, which Andy is (even if a hotheaded one who doesnt make it easy for himself by reacting badly to being warned), but even more importantly I think its vital mods be as consistent as possible, and not just target another poster more then others because he is confrontational and easier to spot as he is.
It would help if you told us what the problem is, sympathize if its about being a reaccuring problem and long history of dealing with him, but its important to not make rash decisions (permanent ban sounds like one). I assume you deleted the posts in question that makes you want to ban him yet again after just being back. Simply saying what makes him a candidate for a ban would be nice to know.
P.S Also nice to know whats the deal with blocking him from just a section, seems oxymoronic for a site like thats, and unnecessarily cruel.
i don't think a permanent ban is in order for a member unless they are a complete nuisance to the forum and its community.
i think if he or any member keeps breaking the rules then ban him accordingly for weeks, days, etc... no need to remove a quality member/poster for daily indiscretions which have been happening since before i've been on this forum.
we already lost snoop and from talking to him he doesn't intend on returning. lets not lose another good member, cuz any forum/group is only as good as its members.
i think if he or any member keeps breaking the rules then ban him accordingly for weeks, days, etc... no need to remove a quality member/poster for daily indiscretions which have been happening since before i've been on this forum.
we already lost snoop and from talking to him he doesn't intend on returning. lets not lose another good member, cuz any forum/group is only as good as its members.
Alright....I'll explain what has happened up till now since everyone should know and since it's Andy's right. Alen also said what he had to say.
The problem has started in the match thread [Juventus vs Parma]. After the death of the opponents supporter.
Several members didn't take this in the best way and insulted the hooligan who has died seeing his actions as stupid and nonsense. Ze quoted Andy asking him to have some respect concerning this.
Up till here, everything looked normal with no problems between the two sides and no infraction was given, because that was a personal opinion that didn't break the rules.
Anyway, Andy took it a bit further with Ze by insulting him in several posts until Ze decided to close the thread. Which was the best thing to do.
In the Moderators section.
I can't really tell you what has been brought there between us, from exchanging personal opinions into justifying the actions. But Jack has decided not to ban him in order to come up with a good decision later on and keep him in the NATW ATM. For some reasons this didn't work and he's stuck in the Italian section.
Briefly, this what has been going on and of course with some more details that Alen, Ze or even Jack will come up with later on.
Personally, both Ze Tahir and Andy knows what I think about this. I'll keep it to myself and to them. Because like someone said earlier (I think Osman) you need to seperate your role from a poster sometimes to a moderator, unfortunately.
I hope I have cleared little bit the situation for you.
The problem has started in the match thread [Juventus vs Parma]. After the death of the opponents supporter.
Several members didn't take this in the best way and insulted the hooligan who has died seeing his actions as stupid and nonsense. Ze quoted Andy asking him to have some respect concerning this.
Up till here, everything looked normal with no problems between the two sides and no infraction was given, because that was a personal opinion that didn't break the rules.
Anyway, Andy took it a bit further with Ze by insulting him in several posts until Ze decided to close the thread. Which was the best thing to do.
In the Moderators section.
I can't really tell you what has been brought there between us, from exchanging personal opinions into justifying the actions. But Jack has decided not to ban him in order to come up with a good decision later on and keep him in the NATW ATM. For some reasons this didn't work and he's stuck in the Italian section.
Briefly, this what has been going on and of course with some more details that Alen, Ze or even Jack will come up with later on.
Personally, both Ze Tahir and Andy knows what I think about this. I'll keep it to myself and to them. Because like someone said earlier (I think Osman) you need to seperate your role from a poster sometimes to a moderator, unfortunately.
I hope I have cleared little bit the situation for you.
Are those insulting posts by Andy still there at the thread for the public to see? And thanks for the update, though whats most vital is seeing the nature of the posts.
How severe they were to justify going from making crude insenstive jokes about a dead man, to insulting another poster for saying be respectful to the dead, to now being semi-banned and being a candidate for permanent ban.
How severe they were to justify going from making crude insenstive jokes about a dead man, to insulting another poster for saying be respectful to the dead, to now being semi-banned and being a candidate for permanent ban.
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That's nonsense. It's Andy's opinion about that supporter, so who cares if he has a different opinion? It's his right to say he doesn't care.
I mean we joke about people dying in here all the time. We joke about Muslims dying in Palestine, and big dumb Jews dying in Israel. Both of those are more serious than one supporter dying, but no one says shit about that.
Who cares that one supporter died? Who really lost sleep over it in the past 3 days? Anyone? Exactly, Matteo means as much to you guys as Todd and Timmy.
Remember:
"Every great idea starts as blasphemy."
I mean we joke about people dying in here all the time. We joke about Muslims dying in Palestine, and big dumb Jews dying in Israel. Both of those are more serious than one supporter dying, but no one says shit about that.
Who cares that one supporter died? Who really lost sleep over it in the past 3 days? Anyone? Exactly, Matteo means as much to you guys as Todd and Timmy.
Remember:
"Every great idea starts as blasphemy."
I am guessing, but the issue started when he started insulting Ze for saying respect the dead. You can have whatever crude disrespectful opinion you like of someone who just died accidently, and is innoccent as far as you know. Mods can close those kinda trollish threads if they like, even if you can have that opinion.
But if you have noticed, Azzurri dude here said the issue started when Ze got personal insults etc.
But if you have noticed, Azzurri dude here said the issue started when Ze got personal insults etc.
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You never check the PM's, do you ?
Guys, i told you that you'll be informed what's going on so patience, please.
Plus, i don't think the problem started after Andy returned from his last ban. My impression is that Andy's permanent ban is something waiting to happen for a long time already.
Mods are still discussing this. There are different views, which is normal, but the final verdict will not be given by Tahir and only him. The admin and every single mod will have a part when forming the final decission and everything will be taken into consideration.
Sorry for the weak explainations but that's all i can tell you until the other mods get their asses online.
Guys, i told you that you'll be informed what's going on so patience, please.
Plus, i don't think the problem started after Andy returned from his last ban. My impression is that Andy's permanent ban is something waiting to happen for a long time already.
Mods are still discussing this. There are different views, which is normal, but the final verdict will not be given by Tahir and only him. The admin and every single mod will have a part when forming the final decission and everything will be taken into consideration.
Sorry for the weak explainations but that's all i can tell you until the other mods get their asses online.
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The mods deleted the Parma match thread, so we cannot see the "insulting" posts Andy made. Fucking stupid if you ask me.
This is what the mods always do... they delete the posts in question so they can be like "ohhh, they WERE insulting, that's why we deleted them."
So there's no evidence of what Andy did. And he didn't even insult him hardcore or anything. It's not like he called Tahir a "fucking Muslim queer." He just called him a hypocrite who needed to grow up.
This is what the mods always do... they delete the posts in question so they can be like "ohhh, they WERE insulting, that's why we deleted them."
So there's no evidence of what Andy did. And he didn't even insult him hardcore or anything. It's not like he called Tahir a "fucking Muslim queer." He just called him a hypocrite who needed to grow up.
My last PM was a mass-PM from 5 years ago from Martin telling me and the whole forum of some official boring site news. So no, I havent had a single reason to check PMs before.
I also PMed the other Martin the new owner, reporting the conduct of a FM some month or so ago, and heard he never checks the site even, so thats another reason to not check my PMs hehe. Dont worry you arent the FM in question
I also PMed the other Martin the new owner, reporting the conduct of a FM some month or so ago, and heard he never checks the site even, so thats another reason to not check my PMs hehe. Dont worry you arent the FM in question
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