C’era una volta la Juve.
(translated: "Once upon a time, there was Juve").
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C’era una volta la Juve.
(translated: "Once upon a time, there was Juve").
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An image shows 1 supporter of Juventus in Firenze..
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C’era una volta la Juve.
(translated: "Once upon a time, there was Juve").
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An image shows 1 supporter of Juventus in Firenze..
"I preferred to stay in my place, even if i was invited to protest. For the first 10/15 minutes I was alone. Everyone, from my point of view, must stay on the side of the team both when you win and when you lose. Juventus has had very long winning periods, now unfortunately it is not winning but it must not be abandoned."
don't we have a 5 maggio thread that's open? anyway, happy 5 maggio to you all, fuck inda. this one never gets old. i remember watching it live on tv, the tv channel switched between the two games, it was incredible, i couldn't believe my eyes
Hate to tell everyone this, but this is probably going to be the worst season Juventus has experienced in generations. I don't see a way out of it and I'm really pessimistic.
I predict Juve will have its worst "natural" finish since the 1961-62 season. I say "natural" because I am excluding all the bizarre seasons that docked us due to league punishments and Inter lawyers. This coming season, we won't need any help.
We got our fourth-choice coach for the season. Our transfer campaign is focused on trying to get rid of a lot of underperforming players without giving them away for free. Otherwise we are getting bent over for exiting young talent with little great talent coming in.
Hence why I am posting this in this thread. This is going to be a real test of footie fan character, sad to say. I will still be here throughout with much to lament and complain about. But a disaster is coming.
I predict Juve will have its worst "natural" finish since the 1961-62 season. I say "natural" because I am excluding all the bizarre seasons that docked us due to league punishments and Inter lawyers. This coming season, we won't need any help.
We got our fourth-choice coach for the season. Our transfer campaign is focused on trying to get rid of a lot of underperforming players without giving them away for free. Otherwise we are getting bent over for exiting young talent with little great talent coming in.
Hence why I am posting this in this thread. This is going to be a real test of footie fan character, sad to say. I will still be here throughout with much to lament and complain about. But a disaster is coming.
I hope you're wrong, obviously.
And I must say I'm not that pessimistic myself, for the time being. The way I see it, some things are looking better now, than they did this time last year.
Tudor might be fourth choice, but for me he's still a much better option than Motta ever was.
We'll have to wait & see how his replacement is going to turn out, but Guintoli was an absolute toxic disaster. You would think the situation in the club is now better for everyone involved. A much more healthy environment, hopefully.
The squad doesn't look great right now, but at least it's looking like we might get rid of some of the weaker/useless players. While the few stronger ones we have seem to remain.
That being said: I do believe our competition has improved. Substantially even, in some cases. Which is bad news for us.
Also, I too will of course start lamenting & complaining at my earliest convenience.
And I must say I'm not that pessimistic myself, for the time being. The way I see it, some things are looking better now, than they did this time last year.
Tudor might be fourth choice, but for me he's still a much better option than Motta ever was.
We'll have to wait & see how his replacement is going to turn out, but Guintoli was an absolute toxic disaster. You would think the situation in the club is now better for everyone involved. A much more healthy environment, hopefully.
The squad doesn't look great right now, but at least it's looking like we might get rid of some of the weaker/useless players. While the few stronger ones we have seem to remain.
That being said: I do believe our competition has improved. Substantially even, in some cases. Which is bad news for us.
Also, I too will of course start lamenting & complaining at my earliest convenience.
Allow me to weigh your pessimism with some slight optimism.
Compared to last year I think Inter Milan has gotten weaker, Napoli is Napoli but they have CL this year and that will complicate some of their Serie A performance I would have to imagine.
Yes, we have a not-ideal coach who I am not a big fan of but I am ready to be surprised.
- Tudor's system hopefully won't be so haphazardly forced on this roster like Motta tried. I think we have the players to better play a 3-4-2-1 and I think he'll be more flexible if things are working.
- Bremer is back and his leadership at the back and amongst the players will be massive and was a great miss last year.
- Another year of growth and development from our younger players
- We have the attacking pieces and flare to generate opportunities and that blends with the next point
- David should (hopefully) give us a more clinical striker from Day 1, something that even early in last year's campaign we were sorely missing.
- Thuram seems to be a lock to be a starting midfielder and not banished to the bench as much like he was under Motta early on
- Locatelli seems to be impressing in Tudor's system and it would be nice to rely more on him to be an important midfielder who can be consistently good
- Joao Mario is better at RB than what we started last year with and is an ACTUAL RB who (arguments aside on his talent level) I have hopes will be better than the youth or converted CBs or converted wingers or converted CMs we used basically all of last season there.
- Savona converted to a CB I think will really allow him to shine and I hope he takes that next step to be a very good, young CB with Juve DNA (think Cheillini getting converted from LB to CB and the steps he took to thrive with that change)
- If Miretti stays, I think he's an important rotational player and really shows us his growth and development since returning. I still believe in him and want his to be a successful regular player for us.
- If we can't sell him, let's be honest. Douglas Luiz can't be any worse, right? This goes with the next point
- Koopmeiners can't be any worse. He was basically useless last year. He can only get better and if he plays ANY WAY close to his Atalanta level, its a massive boost
- Nico (if he stays) can't play any worse
- Vlahovic (if he stays) can't play any worse
- I have cautious hopes of a introduction and thriving of Adzic into the attacking positions, rotated with Koopmeiners and Yildiz and Conceicao behind David/Vlahovic. Everything I'm hearing about his dedication to training, his physical improvements and development, and his technical skills makes me hesitantly excited that he might be a good player for us and 1-2 breakdown performances either when rotated in or coming on as a sub and I think he can really push to be a regular player for us.
I think we forget that with all the injuries and all the Motta chaos and uncertainty nad all the underperforming players, we still finished top 4 (by 1 point) and only 3-4 bad matches away from competing with Napoli.
Things were so bad and so dark last year, finishing top 4 was kind of a miracle and how statistically possible is it that ALL the players that underperformed and had bad years do it again? I think we have to believe its not possible ALL of them are that bad, that useless again. We know they have the talent.
Compared to last year I think Inter Milan has gotten weaker, Napoli is Napoli but they have CL this year and that will complicate some of their Serie A performance I would have to imagine.
Yes, we have a not-ideal coach who I am not a big fan of but I am ready to be surprised.
- Tudor's system hopefully won't be so haphazardly forced on this roster like Motta tried. I think we have the players to better play a 3-4-2-1 and I think he'll be more flexible if things are working.
- Bremer is back and his leadership at the back and amongst the players will be massive and was a great miss last year.
- Another year of growth and development from our younger players
- We have the attacking pieces and flare to generate opportunities and that blends with the next point
- David should (hopefully) give us a more clinical striker from Day 1, something that even early in last year's campaign we were sorely missing.
- Thuram seems to be a lock to be a starting midfielder and not banished to the bench as much like he was under Motta early on
- Locatelli seems to be impressing in Tudor's system and it would be nice to rely more on him to be an important midfielder who can be consistently good
- Joao Mario is better at RB than what we started last year with and is an ACTUAL RB who (arguments aside on his talent level) I have hopes will be better than the youth or converted CBs or converted wingers or converted CMs we used basically all of last season there.
- Savona converted to a CB I think will really allow him to shine and I hope he takes that next step to be a very good, young CB with Juve DNA (think Cheillini getting converted from LB to CB and the steps he took to thrive with that change)
- If Miretti stays, I think he's an important rotational player and really shows us his growth and development since returning. I still believe in him and want his to be a successful regular player for us.
- If we can't sell him, let's be honest. Douglas Luiz can't be any worse, right? This goes with the next point
- Koopmeiners can't be any worse. He was basically useless last year. He can only get better and if he plays ANY WAY close to his Atalanta level, its a massive boost
- Nico (if he stays) can't play any worse
- Vlahovic (if he stays) can't play any worse
- I have cautious hopes of a introduction and thriving of Adzic into the attacking positions, rotated with Koopmeiners and Yildiz and Conceicao behind David/Vlahovic. Everything I'm hearing about his dedication to training, his physical improvements and development, and his technical skills makes me hesitantly excited that he might be a good player for us and 1-2 breakdown performances either when rotated in or coming on as a sub and I think he can really push to be a regular player for us.
I think we forget that with all the injuries and all the Motta chaos and uncertainty nad all the underperforming players, we still finished top 4 (by 1 point) and only 3-4 bad matches away from competing with Napoli.
Things were so bad and so dark last year, finishing top 4 was kind of a miracle and how statistically possible is it that ALL the players that underperformed and had bad years do it again? I think we have to believe its not possible ALL of them are that bad, that useless again. We know they have the talent.
100% agree. And I thought this as soon as Tutor was signed.
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I stopped reading at the Tutor’s system. You are lying to yourself. He’s never played anything other than a 3421 and he won’t change. At least Motta switched between 4231 and 433. Tutor is even more rigid and making us sign players to fit his system. You will be disappointed.
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I stopped reading at the Tutor’s system. You are lying to yourself. He’s never played anything other than a 3421 and he won’t change. At least Motta switched between 4231 and 433. Tutor is even more rigid and making us sign players to fit his system. You will be disappointed.
I hope you're wrong, obviously.
And I must say I'm not that pessimistic myself, for the time being. The way I see it, some things are looking better now, than they did this time last year.
Tudor might be fourth choice, but for me he's still a much better option than Motta ever was.
We'll have to wait & see how his replacement is going to turn out, but Guintoli was an absolute toxic disaster. You would think the situation in the club is now better for everyone involved. A much more healthy environment, hopefully.
The squad doesn't look great right now, but at least it's looking like we might get rid of some of the weaker/useless players. While the few stronger ones we have seem to remain.
That being said: I do believe our competition has improved. Substantially even, in some cases. Which is bad news for us.
Also, I too will of course start lamenting & complaining at my earliest convenience.
And I must say I'm not that pessimistic myself, for the time being. The way I see it, some things are looking better now, than they did this time last year.
Tudor might be fourth choice, but for me he's still a much better option than Motta ever was.
We'll have to wait & see how his replacement is going to turn out, but Guintoli was an absolute toxic disaster. You would think the situation in the club is now better for everyone involved. A much more healthy environment, hopefully.
The squad doesn't look great right now, but at least it's looking like we might get rid of some of the weaker/useless players. While the few stronger ones we have seem to remain.
That being said: I do believe our competition has improved. Substantially even, in some cases. Which is bad news for us.
Also, I too will of course start lamenting & complaining at my earliest convenience.
And yeah, you could argue Motta was too much of a tinkerer. But I see growth and investment everywhere. I know because when I start envying Como's moves (deep new pockets aside), I know we're desperately running in place hoping to stand still. It's like we're counting on other clubs getting worse to go anywhere.
In my 22 years on these forums, I have never made a statement like this in pre-season before. So I don't do it lightly. I could see a reasonable chance of us finishing as low as 8th.
Our only hope is that all of our huge investments last year, like Koopmeiners, suddenly have a turnaround unseen from before. That's a lot of wishful thinking given what we've seen. Because right now we are a club that is trying to get better mostly by shedding bad players and sunk costs than we are investing in a future.
And the front office does not convince me at all now. Even with Giuntoli gone and Chiellini's arrival.
This banter era is likely to continue, getting worse before it gets better.
Comolli likes this narrative
Our season was finished the moment Conte rejected us(probably because he knew bums like Comolli will run this club) and we confirmed Tutor for the next couple of seasons.
Reflects in the inactivity in the transfer market. Give Tutor a longer contract but don't want to commit for him in the mercato.
We also hired a 'club legend' who has multiple ventures to look after. Won't be surprised Chiello switches his complete focus towards his LA Galaxy project eventually.
Doesn't matter if teams and players improve/decline. We are managed by terrible personnel and that will ultimately reflect in results on the pitch.
Our season was finished the moment Conte rejected us(probably because he knew bums like Comolli will run this club) and we confirmed Tutor for the next couple of seasons.
Reflects in the inactivity in the transfer market. Give Tutor a longer contract but don't want to commit for him in the mercato.
We also hired a 'club legend' who has multiple ventures to look after. Won't be surprised Chiello switches his complete focus towards his LA Galaxy project eventually.
Doesn't matter if teams and players improve/decline. We are managed by terrible personnel and that will ultimately reflect in results on the pitch.
This is all very possible. Personally I’m holding off on judgment/expectations for the season until the end of the transfer window and we’ve likely sold some pieces and shopped in the bargain bucket.
It could get ugly quickly with a few losses, as the players remain psychologically fragile. If we don’t sign 1 or 2 certainties at the back, then we will leak goals in bunches.
It could get ugly quickly with a few losses, as the players remain psychologically fragile. If we don’t sign 1 or 2 certainties at the back, then we will leak goals in bunches.