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Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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can you explain to me why it wouldnt work??? theyre both CM's... Im not too sure wat kind of CM Mavuba is but I know Paro is a holding midfielder, and it wouldnt matter what style Mavuba plays, because your gonna have Cammo, and either RIbery or Diego Attacking on the flanks... And i dont think Zanetti is staying... specially if Tacchi comes back.
Zanetti >> Tacchinardi imo. Camo is still uncertain to stay and if you think Ribery is gonna choose Juve you are dellusioned. Diego is also a big question.

Okay, I'll explain.

I've missed just 3 matches to Juve so far this term and I can say with all fair and square that Paro is the only youngster, if we still considering him a youngster, whom we should sell asap. Actually, he hasn't convinced me and I've failed completely to recognise his position on pitch. Is he a defensive or attacking or a centre midfielder?

As a centre midfielder, he doesn't have the vision to distribute the ball, he isn't a passer and he doesn't own a heavy leg as well. As a defensive midfielder, he isn't strong nor quick nor aggressive besides being below bar in air balls. As an attacking midfielder, he isn't skillful at all and slow as I said before.

Regarding Zanetti, I prefer him to Tacchinardi. I don't know why you think that he'll leave, it is my first time to hear about that.
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sateeh

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Okay, I'll explain.

I've missed just 3 matches to Juve so far this term and I can say with all fair and square that Paro is the only youngster, if we still considering him a youngster, whom we should sell asap. Actually, he hasn't convinced me and I've failed completely to recognise his position on pitch. Is he a defensive or attacking or a centre midfielder?

As a centre midfielder, he doesn't have the vision to distribute the ball, he isn't a passer and he doesn't own a heavy leg as well. As a defensive midfielder, he isn't strong nor quick nor aggressive besides being below bar in air balls. As an attacking midfielder, he isn't skillful at all and slow as I said before. As for Mavuba, I haven't watched Mavuba a lot to judge his playing style.

Regarding Zanetti, I prefer him to Tacchinardi. I don't know why you think that he'll leave, it is my first time to hear about that.
i think thats really harsh in regards to paro.Hes had more good games than bad ones.Dont get me wrong Marchisio is a better player overall.

His position is a deep laying midfield that would distribute the ball from the back line to the attack.Hes the link and his passing has been good at most games this season.His partnership with zanetti was very good for most of the season.
Imo he has a lot of abilities but has some confidence issues and that really hampered his improvement.

DD has faith in him and with the good performances by Marchisio this season it will be interesting to see whether he will be here next season or not.
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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i think thats really harsh in regards to paro.Hes had more good games than bad ones.Dont get me wrong Marchisio is a better player overall.

His position is a deep laying midfield that would distribute the ball from the back line to the attack.Hes the link and his passing has been good at most games this season.His partnership with zanetti was very good for most of the season.
Imo he has a lot of abilities but has some confidence issues and that really hampered his improvement.

DD has faith in him and with the good performances by Marchisio this season it will be interesting to see whether he will be here next season or not.
Do you call a short pass to a player 10 meters away from Paro a good pass? And 90% of these passes are negative, i.e. to the back line, what is more.

Another point here, you say that his partnership with Zanetti has been good. As far as I know, Zanetti is a defensive midfielder, so it is supposed for Paro to be the one who makes the play. I don't remember him sharing effectively in the attack except in the match where Palladino scored a hat-trick.

Would you please enlighten me by enumerating Paro's defensive or attacking abilities? (Don't forget to take into your consideration his age)

Regarding Descahmps' faith, how can we judge Deschamps' faith in any player and Deschamps wasn't the one who chose them to form the current squad? Deschamps found the squad as it was and he had to face the Serie B and this long season with these players. If it happened and he placed Paro alongside Zanetti, so this was because placing Zanetti with Giannichedda would be very defensive and sterile offensively. But again Zanetti and Paro partnership wasn't the best and Deschamps realised that and he then switched to Marchisio instead of Paro.
 

sateeh

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Do you call a short pass to a player 10 meters away from Paro a good pass? And 90% of these passes are negative, i.e. to the back line, what is more.

Another point here, you say that his partnership with Zanetti has been good. As far as I know, Zanetti is a defensive midfielder, so it is supposed for Paro to be the one who makes the play. I don't remember him sharing effectively in the attack except in the match where Palladino scored a hat-trick.

Would you please enlighten me by enumerating Paro's defensive or attacking abilities? (Don't forget to take into your consideration his age)

Regarding Descahmps' faith, how can we judge Deschamps' faith in any player and Deschamps wasn't the one who chose them to form the current squad? Deschamps found the squad as it was and he had to face the Serie B and this long season with these players. If it happened and he placed Paro alongside Zanetti, so this was because placing Zanetti with Giannichedda would be very defensive and sterile offensively. But again Zanetti and Paro partnership wasn't the best and Deschamps realised that and he then switched to Marchisio instead of Paro.
-Well somebody has to do it, and lets be honest its not zanetti's strong point and same as Gianni.
Also i think its really unfair to say that he only has short passes, his passing is his strongest point and in most games its been very good.

-There were a string of games where DD played with Gianni and Zanetti played together and the team was just plain horrible.The distribution in the midfield was soo below standard it wasn't even funny.One of those games was the Brescia game where the team was always caught in possession in the midfield and we had to opt for the long balls.

-DD could've easily opted for marchisio from the beginning of the season or even Venitucci.There were many things he could've done but he opted for Paro and he didn't bench him until his form decreased. He praised him on numerous occasions and imo that faith.
 

Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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-DD could've easily opted for marchisio from the beginning of the season or even Venitucci.There were many things he could've done but he opted for Paro and he didn't bench him until his form decreased. He praised him on numerous occasions and imo that faith.
I somehow think that Paro impressed in summer trainings and played above his real capabilities, that´s why DD used him regularly until Paro dropped his form to reality. And in this reality I like Marchisio more.
 

sateeh

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I somehow think that Paro impressed in summer trainings and played above his real capabilities, that´s why DD used him regularly until Paro dropped his form to reality. And in this reality I like Marchisio more.
Same here, he has more complete as a midfielder than paro is. But Matteo played most of this season and played well, some games he didn;t have the effect as others but to underrate his performances is very unfair to him imo.
 

Ahmedios

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-Well somebody has to do it, and lets be honest its not zanetti's strong point and same as Gianni.
Also i think its really unfair to say that he only has short passes, his passing is his strongest point and in most games its been very good.

-There were a string of games where DD played with Gianni and Zanetti played together and the team was just plain horrible.The distribution in the midfield was soo below standard it wasn't even funny.One of those games was the Brescia game where the team was always caught in possession in the midfield and we had to opt for the long balls.

-DD could've easily opted for marchisio from the beginning of the season or even Venitucci.There were many things he could've done but he opted for Paro and he didn't bench him until his form decreased. He praised him on numerous occasions and imo that faith.
Of course, there should be somebody who is capable of passing the ball to a teammate 10 meters away from him. Actually, all squad's players must be able to do it even a goalie. We are talking about the basics of football; receiving and passing a ball.

Back to Paro, I don't remember him make an long pass, and if he did, it was useless. To me a passer is either Veron, Pirlo, Xabi Alonso, Almiro or Scholes. You may say that all the previously mentioned players are well experienced players, might be due to their ages. But what about Fabregas, who is 5 years younger than Paro. I'm depending on the age factor here because we're monitoring a player who is expected to be better in the very near future due to his young age (He isn't young anymore) or discussing his best skills which are supposed to be apparent by now (I don't think he has an exploding skill up till now).

Regarding Deschamps, as I said, he hasn't got multiple choices as he wasn't the one who formed this squad depending on players whom he suggested. He has had to deal with the current squad as it was and he's done.

And again, you haven't answered my question:
Would you please enlighten me by enumerating Paro's defensive or attacking abilities? (Don't forget to take into your consideration his age)

By the way, if Paro's only talent is short passing so this would be a total flop in nowadays' football.
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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Of course, there should be somebody who is capable of passing the ball to a teammate 10 meters away from him. Actually, all squad's players must be able to do it even a goalie. We are talking about the basics of football; receiving and passing a ball.

Back to Paro, I don't remember him make an long pass, and if he did, it was useless. To me a passer is either Veron, Pirlo, Xabi Alonso, Almiro or Scholes. You may say that all the previously mentioned players are well experienced players, might be due to their ages. But what about Fabregas, who is 5 years younger than Paro. I'm depending on the age factor here because we're monitoring a player who is expected to be better in the very near future due to his young age (He isn't young anymore) or discussing his best skills which are supposed to be apparent by now (I don't think he has an exploding skill up till now).

Regarding Deschamps, as I said, he hasn't got multiple choices as he wasn't the one who formed this squad depending on players whom he suggested. He has had to deal with the current squad as it was and he's done.

And again, you haven't answered my question:
Would you please enlighten me by enumerating Paro's defensive or attacking abilities? (Don't forget to take into your consideration his age)

By the way, if Paro's only talent is short passing so this would be a total flop in nowadays' football.
if we had a fabergas in the team we would've had a better season. Paro is not Fabergas, meaning hes no super talent i didn't say that and i said it all along. But he has the passing range and i've seen it numerous times this season, he is not a 10-meter passer as you classified him.

Abt your question, hes the link between all three lines.Hes the one that supplied our midfielders the balls from the defense. I guess that would be him in a nutshell.In his better games he worked hard and covered a lot of ground with some decent through passes and some shots. His distribution skills is better than any of the midfielders we have atm imo.

His effect was apparent this season, since most the games he didn't play our distribution was awful(except for SOME games that Marchisio played, even though these past two games Marchisio wasn't the best distributor and camo handled that)
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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Abt your question, hes the link between all three lines.Hes the one that supplied our midfielders the balls from the defense. I guess that would be him in a nutshell.In his better games he worked hard and covered a lot of ground with some decent through passes and some shots. His distribution skills is better than any of the midfielders we have atm imo.

His effect was apparent this season, since most the games he didn't play our distribution was awful(except for SOME games that Marchisio played, even though these past two games Marchisio wasn't the best distributor and camo handled that)
If he is the link between the three lines, this means that he's got the minimum skills which all the three lines have. I can see that he is a ball distributor, but not up to Juve's level, maybe due to the lack of the squad of another centre midfielder whom we can base our judgment of Paro on. But the thing that I can't comprehend is him taking a more defending role or a more attacking one. Defending in midfield requires a solid quick midfielder. On the other hand, attacking or making the play in midfield requires a more creative midfielder. In my opinion, Paro hasn't got the abilities to perform both roles.

I expressed my opinion about his passing before, but when it comes to his shots, I think the guy is far away from generating a decent shot either a strong shot or a well placed one. During the entire current season, I don't remember a single decent shot to him actually.
 

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You don't need to be fast to defend well in midfield. Just look at Makelele, his positioning is so good it compensates for his lack of mobility.

I am not a fan of Paro. If he was at his current level at 20 he would be a good prospet but at 24 you should be close to your full potential and he isn't good enough for Juve in Serie A for many of the reasons outlined in previous posts.
 

Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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Paro is not good enough for Serie A, that´s true and thus will be exchanged for a better player or sold in a co-ownership/loan.....
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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You don't need to be fast to defend well in midfield. Just look at Makelele, his positioning is so good it compensates for his lack of mobility.
Yes, defending generally requires good anticipation, covering and positioning. But for a world-class defending, quickness is required as well. Gattuso is an excellent example here.

juve red said:
I am not a fan of Paro. If he was at his current level at 20 he would be a good prospet but at 24 you should be close to your full potential and he isn't good enough for Juve in Serie A for many of the reasons outlined in previous posts.
In fact, you summed up my above posts. :pint:
 
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