The...I want this player to Juve thread (57 Viewers)

[Mike-e-y]

Brazzo is just as good if not better than Camo

he certainly works a lot harder

 

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[#10]

he certainly works a lot harder

Camo did used to put the effort in defensively, cant be sure now though.

 

[Mike-e-y]

yeah i remember camo used to be up and down like an elevator but nowadays he is a bit lazier, he loses the ball and doesnt chase it back, really frustrates me

 

[tonykart]

Tony i hope end bit wasnt aimed at me, as i have tried to be accepting and thought we were finally making progress.

No we have no Zidane, as we discussed earlier there arent many playmakers abouts.

Imho the future is the total midfielder who can attack and defend, Like Gerrard, Lampard and Sneijder (pushing the boat there.)

We havent in the las few years built it from the back, we merely smashed the ball up the pitch hoping trez/zlat could do something with it, that ISNT juve.

It was aimed at everyone. So yes.

Lampard is far from the Total midfielder. Sneijder is pushing it and Gerrard is exactly what you describe.

I agree, but the defensive attitude is Juve. I would rather "smash" it forward and play defense, then wing the ball around. The Lippi system is the system I want. We had a ton of success. As did the national team. It is boring and it works. And it is the Juventus way. "Crapello" ran a VERY similar system, he just didn't have the personel prowess that Lippi had. DD runs a VERY similar system. He run what he knows. All coaches do. I like the DD system. We will do just fine with it, as long as we bring in players that fit the system.

 

[tonykart]

yeah i remember camo used to be up and down like an elevator but nowadays he is a bit lazier, he loses the ball and doesnt chase it back, really frustrates me

It is the Argentenian in him. He is a hot head and is taking his frustration out on the pitch. Not in a good way. He was great for the Azzurri not too long ago. It isn't a matter of age, it is a matter of motivation. I disagree with his attitude, but I understand it. We shouldn't expect him to return.

 

[Lion]

I'm not asking for a brazil style football. All I am asking for is NO Capello football. I just don't want to fall asleep during a match that is all I want.

 

[tonykart]

It is hard to argue when in two years Capello brought in 2 scudettos. I am not a big fan of Capello, but he is a smart coach. Lippi coached us for 9 years and brought us 5 scudettos and 1 CL. I think we need to take a look at the bigger picture when analyzing Capello's tactics.

 

[#10]

It was aimed at everyone. So yes.

Lampard is far from the Total midfielder. Sneijder is pushing it and Gerrard is exactly what you describe.

I agree, but the defensive attitude is Juve. I would rather "smash" it forward and play defense, then wing the ball around. The Lippi system is the system I want. We had a ton of success. As did the national team. It is boring and it works. And it is the Juventus way. "Crapello" ran a VERY similar system, he just didn't have the personel prowess that Lippi had. DD runs a VERY similar system. He run what he knows. All coaches do. I like the DD system. We will do just fine with it, as long as we bring in players that fit the system.

Well since it was aimed at me, you should get off your high horse and try and be a bit more accepting of other peoples arguements you fucking hypocrite.

We "debate" on this forum, if u dont accept another person opinion, respect it like i respect yours.

Anyway

Lippi had three different systems.
In affect crap cheated to get the titles and we looked totally out of our depth in the CL.

I like DD and have trust in his management, but why do fans including the hardcore tifosi boo him and his tactics?

 

[Marc]

I'm not asking for a brazil style football. All I am asking for is NO Capello football. I just don't want to fall asleep during a match that is all I want.

Good point.

 

[Lion]

It is hard to argue when in two years Capello brought in 2 scudettos. I am not a big fan of Capello, but he is a smart coach. Lippi coached us for 9 years and brought us 5 scudettos and 1 CL. I think we need to take a look at the bigger picture when analyzing Capello's tactics.

you mean looking like idiots in the CL?

 

[Marc]

I guess looking like idiots is acceptable since it is "Juventus way".

 

[Mike-e-y]

It is hard to argue when in two years Capello brought in 2 scudettos. I am not a big fan of Capello, but he is a smart coach. Lippi coached us for 9 years and brought us 5 scudettos and 1 CL. I think we need to take a look at the bigger picture when analyzing Capello's tactics.

his tactics were brilliant in serie a there is no denying that, he was here for 2 years and for all of that time we were 1st in the table, even in week 2, he never spent anytime in a position lower than 1st. but in the champs league he showed that he had very little grasp of what to do when under pressure and this was ultimately his downfall, its the same reason he is losing it with real, he lacks the ability to adapt his system to counter other teams

 

[JuveAdam]

He mentioned about 10 years of football history.

the total football dutch teams of 74 & 78

The worst thing about this is your ideas are still worse than your basic math.

tony your a fool, and because you refuse to change your opinion you will always be a fool. whether you want to believe it or not juventus have also changed their system over the years with lippi playing different to crap and dd playing differently to both of them.

I would agree with most of that. I wouldn't mind the 4312 but we have no Zidane. Juve is unsexy, defense first, build it up from the back. No matter how bad people want it to change it WONT. nor should it. Get over yourselves. Accept the Juve way.

We either have changed over time or we haven't. Seems like you changed your mind in that one post.

 

[tonykart]

Well since it was aimed at me, you should get off your high horse and try and be a bit more accepting of other peoples arguements you fucking hypocrite.

We "debate" on this forum, if u dont accept another person opinion, respect it like i respect yours.

Anyway

Lippi had three different systems.
In affect crap cheated to get the titles and we looked totally out of our depth in the CL.

I like DD and have trust in his management, but why do fans including the hardcore tifosi boo him and his tactics?

Watch your language and get over it. I didn't say anything harsh. I said basically: Get over yourself, juve is not going to change just because you want them to. Ouch, what a scorcher.

Lippi did not have three different system. The fact that Zidane was creative and aggressive in the midfield allowing DP to move up does not mean it was a 4312. I let that one slide earlier but I am not now. It was the same system. Zidane was so great that he added a "natural" element to the squad. There is no zidane anymore.

If in fact we were "cheating". If in fact we were doing something no one else was doing. Then I find it hard to beleive that it was a recent affair. Not a very legit argument there.

The fans boo the players he fields and the substitution choices. I have had my tactical questions too, but never question his overall philosophy and the general tactical idea. His personel choices leave a lot to be desired.

 

[Mike-e-y]

The worst thing about this is your ideas are still worse than your basic math.





We either have changed over time or we haven't. Seems like you changed your mind in that one post.

 

[tonykart]

his tactics were brilliant in serie a there is no denying that, he was here for 2 years and for all of that time we were 1st in the table, even in week 2, he never spent anytime in a position lower than 1st. but in the champs league he showed that he had very little grasp of what to do when under pressure and this was ultimately his downfall, its the same reason he is losing it with real, he lacks the ability to adapt his system to counter other teams

Right. Not his overall tactics. We aren't talking about mid game changes here. We are talking about systems and philosophies. Those are the tactics we are talking about. Not adjustments and special circumstances.

He is losing at Real because he is trying to take a team of out of control superstars and bring them under control.

BTW when did I say I was a Capello lover?

 

[tonykart]

The worst thing about this is your ideas are still worse than your basic math.

We either have changed over time or we haven't. Seems like you changed your mind in that one post.

There was a lot more to that post there. He mentioned Chelsea and Barcelona as well. Please. Don't start that stuff.

When did I change my opinion?

 

[#10]

Watch your language and get over it. I didn't say anything harsh. I said basically: Get over yourself, juve is not going to change just because you want them to. Ouch, what a scorcher.

Lippi did not have three different system. The fact that Zidane was creative and aggressive in the midfield allowing DP to move up does not mean it was a 4312. I let that one slide earlier but I am not now. It was the same system. Zidane was so great that he added a "natural" element to the squad. There is no zidane anymore.

If in fact we were "cheating". If in fact we were doing something no one else was doing. Then I find it hard to beleive that it was a recent affair. Not a very legit argument there.

The fans boo the players he fields and the substitution choices. I have had my tactical questions too, but never question his overall philosophy and the general tactical idea. His personel choices leave a lot to be desired.

Indeed a schorcher, you questioned my ability to accept others arguements, when u repeatdly get proven wrong and result telling people to go support other teams. Thats why im angry...for the swearing i appologise, but do not take back.

Lippie did have three different system, you must be blind not to see it.

433 with Rava/DP/Viali...even Boksic .
4312 with zidane in front of conte, davids and tachi.
442 with neddy, Tachi, Davids and Camo

Three different systems. Wrong Tony.

 

[tonykart]

Mike and JuveAdam, you are really childish.

 

[Marc]

Indeed a schorcher, you questioned my ability to accept others arguements, when u repeatdly get proven wrong and result telling people to go support other teams. Thats why im angry...for the swearing i appologise, but do not take back.

Lippie did have three different system, you must be blind not to see it.

433 with Rava/DP/Viali...even Boksic .
4312 with zidane in front of conte, davids and tachi.
442 with neddy, Tachi, Davids and Camo

Three different systems. Wrong Tony.