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Fred

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But thats the natural conclusion to your so called argument. So them being signed by Arsenal as teenagers, and not playing for another top team before that, means they can never proof themselves as player? Because they havent proven themselves with another club?

I mean, Shouldnt Adebayor scoring 30 goals in one season for HIS top team be enough? Shouldnt Clichy being the most consistent quality fullback in EPL for years together with Evra be enough?
Yes also based on his logic couldn't we conclude that DP isnt good enough, cos he never proved himself for any other team??
 

Alen

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He also didnt reply to me on Sagna, he said that he would only fit in our system. Yet he's doing great for France and has always been quality in the Ligue.
Really?
Sagna, who played only 6 times for the French NT and only twice as a starter?
How did you conclude that he's doing great for France.

On the other hand, Gallas, who was the leader of French defense at the WC 2006 and who played +60 matches for France was "never great for France".
 

Alen

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Zambrotta?? Seriously?? The same Zambrotta that was average for Barca and is average with Milan??

Abidal has been off color ever since he left Lyon. and he's lost his place in the French NT to Evra and Clichy(who's second choice)
Wait, you're telling me that Clichy is better than Zambrotta?

There you go. That's why i said that Arsenal players are overrated.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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I missed it, sorry.

Evra, Zambrotta, Lahm, Abidal.
I rate Maxwell, Grosso and few others higher than Clichy, or at most at the same level.
Thank you.

Really nothing I can say to that, I mean, Grosso who has never been more then decent in club level (is average for Lyon, flop in Inter, little else there), Maxwell that is nothing but solid bland above average, Lahm who is a disaster defensively (Clichy has a habit of eating up the Golden Ball winner Ronaldo to name a few), and the same Zambrotta, who plays RB, but who yourself have said is washed up for Milan, far from as dynamic.

Zambrotta at his best was easily better then Clichy without any doubt. But he hardly is now, and isnt as thunderous offensively, and makes unfamiliar defensive blunders nowadays. I mean, there is little difference between him and Jankulovski now, and I would doubt you would say Janku is better then Clichy.

Evra I would say is somewhat better, Abidal is too little of a nonfactor offensively, but is a class fullback.
 

Fred

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Really?
Sagna, who played only 6 times for the French NT and only twice as a starter?
How did you conclude that he's doing great for France.

On the other hand, Gallas, who was the leader of French defense at the WC 2006 and who played +60 matches for France was "never great for France".
He's been fantastic in these qualifiers, and he's now earned his spot as first choice rightback for France. Gallas is 31 of course he has more caps, but he was never great for France, we can't judge Sagna just yet, but he's had a very bright start till now.
 

Fred

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Wait, you're telling me that Clichy is better than Zambrotta?

There you go. That's why i said that Arsenal players are overrated.

Right at this moment Zambrotta isn't half the player he used to be. Of course i'm not saying that Clichy is better than Zambro at his best, infact he isn't half as good as Zambro at his best. But this is 2008 and Zambro is been quite average for two years now.
 

Osman

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Zambro is my all time favourite fullback, and I allways stand up to him around here when he gets hated on, but as a player, he is far from as dynamic as he used to be. He just solid mediocre level now. Its bit sad to see to what he used to be.
 

Osman

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clichy potentially can be as good as zambro was, owes it to himself to leave for a club that is actually winning something (no offence to you fred)
No, what Clichy needs to do is get an end product, he can blitz past anyone, dribble like a winger, but his end product isnt there. He never shoots, and his crossing is just average. So the last 3rd of his game needs to be amped if he is to be a deadly fullback. Because he stops he marks well enough, runs up and down the wing in a brilliant way, but the final act is lacking.
 

Badass J Elkann

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No, what Clichy needs to do is get an end product, he can blitz past anyone, dribble like a winger, but his end product isnt there. He never shoots, and his crossing is just average. So the last 3rd of his game needs to be amped if he is to be a deadly fullback. Because he stops he marks well enough, runs up and down the wing in a brilliant way, but the final act is lacking.
get my cheque book out please secco
 

v1rtu4l

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Zambro is my all time favourite fullback, and I allways stand up to him around here when he gets hated on, but as a player, he is far from as dynamic as he used to be. He just solid mediocre level now. Its bit sad to see to what he used to be.
zambrotta was really a great fullback, but you could see his decline in the amount of awful mistakes he made that lead to direct goal chances, like the error in the game italy against romania, where mutu scored ...

but at his prime he was really great ... he was some faster di livio converted into a fullback
 

Fred

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zambrotta was really a great fullback, but you could see his decline in the amount of awful mistakes he made that lead to direct goal chances, like the error in the game italy against romania, where mutu scored ...

but at his prime he was really great ... he was some faster di livio converted into a fullback
Yup, but his decline started way before that imo.
 

Osman

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Yeah, as said, its bit sad, he was unstoppable force with us. But nowadays, seeing a simple move by Miccoli putting him on his ass, not being able to get past simple players, or making easy mistakes like the one he did for Barca against Man U, like he was a nervous rookie, and not as he used to be, a legendary fullback.
 

Badass J Elkann

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zambrotta was really a great fullback, but you could see his decline in the amount of awful mistakes he made that lead to direct goal chances, like the error in the game italy against romania, where mutu scored ...

but at his prime he was really great ... he was some faster di livio converted into a fullback
that blind clearance when barca played man utd last season for scholes to score that belter was utterly criminal, it was a crime to the art of italian defending
 
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