The...I want this player to Juve thread (44 Viewers)

[Fred]

Hmm, by squad player i didn't mean a reserve. More like someone who's not one of the stars in the team, as Henry, Vieira, Pires or Ljungberg were in the past.

And Arsenal's players are indeed overrated here. Gallas and Fabregas are, as the Italians say, Campioni, about Adebayor and Toure i'm undecided if they're at that level or not, but all the others are nothing special and they can easily be forgotten and dropped on the bench the moment they leave Arsenal.

Players like Van Persie or Nasri are very talented but imho they'll never be BIG, while guys like Clichy, Sagna, Denilson, Walcott, Eboue and Almunia are nothing more than guys who fit that particular system and will easily flop when they leave Arsenal.

Clichy is vert much a star of the team, in fact i'd say only Adebayor and Cesc are better players than him.

So why would Gallas be placed as a champion over players like Adebayor, Van Persie and Clichy who have always performed better than him in Arsenal??

And how can you put Sagna and Clichy in the same level as mediocre players like Denilson and Almunia??

By your logic Sagna wouldn't do well for any other team? But he's been very good for the French NT and for Auxerre(he was the best fullback in the Ligue) So your wrong there.

And instead of telling that Clichy is overrated, tell me what you want from a fullback that Clichy doesn't offer?? Tell what his deficiencies are.

And then you say Walcott wouldn't fit into another team. But then he's been fantastic for his NT in almost every game he's played for them., not least against your country Croatia.( he is overrated though)


We have our share of average players. Perhaps more so than any other top team. Denilson, Almunia and Toure are average players.

Diaby, Song and Bentdner are shit players.

But to suggest that players like Sagna and Clichy are average makes me conclude you haven't watched them enough.

 

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[Fred]

Wasn't Flamini your most consistent player?
The same Flamini who's looking more and more like a flop in Milan?



Not Clichy.
I was talking about your best players from the past. They were never as good as they were in Arsenal. Not before they joined your team and not after they left.

Flamini was not our most consistent player, no, he was fairly consistent yes. But then again Flamini had one good season with us, he was utter shit before that. Worse than Denilson is now.

And its irrelevant what past Arsenal players did after they left Arsenal.
Henry and Vieira didn't get back to their best afyer they left us, does that make the same apply to our current players, thats a flawed logic if you ask me,

 

[Amer]

I see you don't know how to spell.

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[Alen]

So why would Gallas be placed as a champion over players like Adebayor, Van Persie and Clichy who have always performed better than him in Arsenal??

Because he performed as a champion in different teams and different competitions.
He was a starter for the WC finalists and he was great there. He was a starter for an incredibly strong Chelsea and he was great there. He was also great for Arsenal and only lately he's not playing at world class level.

Adebayor, Van Persie and Clichy are yet to prove themselves for another top team. (the latter two also need to prove themselves in big tournament with their NT)

 

[Osman]

Alen is being unneccessarily biased against Arsenal players, sweeping them alltogether in a simplistic way.

 

[Osman]

Adebayor, Van Persie and Clichy are yet to prove themselves for another top team. (the latter two also need to prove themselves in big tournament with their NT)

So buying players as teenagers and keeping them all this time, means they cant be class players because they havent played in another top team and proven themselves? Seriously?

 

[Alen]

Alen is being unneccessarily biased against Arsenal players, sweeping them alltogether in a simplistic way.

Bullshit.
As you can see i'm praising Gallas in my last post and i also admire Fabregas and rate him as one of the best midfielders in the world.

I just disagree with you when i see how you overrate an average Joe.

 

[Fred]

Because he performed as a champion in different teams and different competitions.
He was a starter for the WC finalists and he was great there. He was a starter for an incredibly strong Chelsea and he was great there. He was also great for Arsenal and only lately he's not playing at world class level.

And your wrong again, Gallas has never been great for us for long stretches, he's always blew hot and cold.

Adebayor, Van Persie and Clichy are yet to prove themselves for another top team. (the latter two also need to prove themselves in big tournament with their NT)

But then again great players like Ronaldinho and DP have never been great in a tournament with their NT's.

Adebayor, Van Persie and Clichy are not great players. But they are quality players in their own right.

Alen is being unneccessarily biased against Arsenal players, sweeping them alltogether in a simplistic way.

True, somethings telling me he's just fooking around though.

 

[Fred]

So buying players as teenagers and keeping them all this time, means they cant be class players because they havent played in another top team and proven themselves? Seriously?

Exactly i haven't bothered to argue that point. But the examples Alens probably thinking of are Henry and Vieira, who left us in their thirties and when they were almost finished as footballers.

 

[Osman]

I hope he is fucking around, not being able to differentiate between the class players to the average ones is weird. Too much sweeping all the Arsenal players under the same rug for my taste. Like Flamini who was below average except one season for Arsenal, being just decent for Milan and not a roaring success for them in 3 months (like he is the first player to have a slow start), is suddenly a glaring proof that all Arsenal players are overrated.

Alen doesnt seem to be interested with specific arguments, but more of generalisations. I mean, I asked him, which LBs are better then this average Clichy? Didnt get an answer.

 

[Hust]

i was gona buy dentinho on fm then i bought guilherme instead

Oh guilherme is class in 09

 

[Fred]

Bullshit.
As you can see i'm praising Gallas in my last post and i also admire Fabregas and rate him as one of the best midfielders in the world.

I just disagree with you when i see how you overrate an average Joe.

Gallas was never a great player, he just happened to be in the right place at the right time with Chelsea. And he was never great for his NT either.

 

[Alen]

So buying players as teenagers and keeping them all this time, means they cant be class players because they havent played in another top team and proven themselves? Seriously?

Are you reading only what you want to read?
Stop with the straw man arguments.

 

[Fred]

I hope he is fucking around, not being able to differentiate between the class players to the average ones is weird.

I mean, I asked him, which LBs are better then this average Clichy? Didnt get an answer.

He also didnt reply to me on Sagna, he said that he would only fit in our system. Yet he's doing great for France and has always been quality in the Ligue.

 

[Fred]

Are you reading only what you want to read?
Stop with the straw man arguments.

Thats what your doing though, aren't you??

You assumed Clichy would only fit in our system, yet we bought him as a 15 year old.

You also didn't answer Osman. who's better than him as a leftback.

 

[Alen]

I mean, I asked him, which LBs are better then this average Clichy? Didnt get an answer.

I missed it, sorry.

Evra, Zambrotta, Lahm, Abidal.
I rate Maxwell, Grosso and few others higher than Clichy, or at most at the same level.

 

[Amer]

Alen is being unneccessarily biased against Arsenal players, sweeping them alltogether in a simplistic way.

Hey you, brown nose, moment ago you had your own opinion. Stick to it or stink without it.

 

[Osman]

Are you reading only what you want to read?
Stop with the straw man arguments.

But thats the natural conclusion to your so called argument. So them being signed by Arsenal as teenagers, and not playing for another top team before that, means they can never proof themselves as player? Because they havent proven themselves with another club?

I mean, Shouldnt Adebayor scoring 30 goals in one season for HIS top team be enough? Shouldnt Clichy being the most consistent quality fullback in EPL for years together with Evra be enough?

 

[Fred]

I missed it, sorry.

Evra, Zambrotta, Lahm, Abidal.
I rate Maxwell, Grosso and few others higher than Clichy, or at most at the same level.

Zambrotta?? Seriously?? The same Zambrotta that was average for Barca and is average with Milan??

Abidal has been off color ever since he left Lyon. and he's lost his place in the French NT to Evra and Clichy(who's second choice)

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Oh guilherme is class in 09

i paid fiorentina 15 mill for him in my notts county team worried he would flop as im not usually a big signing manager, turning out to be a fantastic alternative to dudu cearense, got sucha badass attack with it