The...I want this player to Juve thread (45 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

Where is he playing now? is he that good?!

All i know is that he`s playing at Cerro Porteño and wearing number 4.And btw he`s 24 not 23 years old.His club is willing to let him go for 3.8 mln euros.

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

what league does he play in? what is his nationality? does he play for his national team?

 

[Dostoevsky]

what league does he play in? what is his nationality? does he play for his national team?

Too many questions.

Cerro Porteño is a Paraguayan football team and that is his nationality.I don`t know if he plays for them.

 

[Jim_Boi]

Juventus coach Ranieri rejected Barzagli deal
tribalfooball.com - October 30, 2007

Juventus coach Claudio Ranieri isn't interested in Palermo defender Andrea Barzagli.
Italy international Barzagli has long been linked with Juve, but Palermo president Maurizio Zamparini told Tuttosport today that he offered the defender to the Bianconeri, only for Ranieri to reject the proposal.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=62714

I really hope that wasn't the case and that Juve try to sign him.

 

[V]

Good, I'm starting to like Ranieri.

 

[Thunderball]

I really hope that isn't true or my faith in Ranieri is in serious doubt. Barzagli was and is a much better option than Andrade. Let alone the fact the team is lacking a strong CB.

Fortunately its Tribal, so its most likely total BS.

 

[JuveAdam]

Juventus coach Claudio Ranieri isn't interested in Palermo defender Andrea Barzagli

Only the fact its reported on Tribalfootball can save Ranieri from this sentance, the guy should be sacked for even thinking this.

Barzagli? No, Id rather have Boumsong, Legro & Criscito too.

fucking asshole

 

[V]

Barzagli is a 26 year old defender that plays for a mid table team which concedes 50+ goals per season. He's not and he'll never be a Nesta or Cannavaro, forget about it. He's a average defender that'll stay in Palermo for 2 more years and then move to a club like Fiorentina. Milan, Juve, Inter are and always will be out of his reach, HE'S SIMPLY NOT THAT GOOD. Deal with it already people.

 

[Thunderball]

Barzagli is a 26 year old defender that plays for a mid table team which concedes 50+ goals per season. He's not and he'll never be a Nesta or Cannavaro, forget about it. He's a average defender that'll stay in Palermo for 2 more years and then move to a club like Fiorentina. Milan, Juve, Inter are and always will be out of his reach, HE'S SIMPLY NOT THAT GOOD. Deal with it already people.

Yet he's better than all the defenders we have, save maybe Chiellini.

You're right, he's 26... he can't possibly get any better and since he plays for a top half club he must be garbage. Guess Lippi is an idiot for putting him in the national team as the fourth choice CB after Cannavaro, Nesta and Materazzi.

Is he a Cannavaro or Nesta? No... and he may never be, but he's a solid upgrade at the right age and he's getting international experience.

To be fair to Palermo, they had less GA last season than Udinese, and yet we all think Zapata and Felipe would be good. Hell, may as well cross Ivanovic off the list, he plays on a midtable team in a third tier league with one of the highest goals against in that league.

 

[Bjerknes]

Barzagli is a 26 year old defender that plays for a mid table team which concedes 50+ goals per season. He's not and he'll never be a Nesta or Cannavaro, forget about it. He's a average defender that'll stay in Palermo for 2 more years and then move to a club like Fiorentina. Milan, Juve, Inter are and always will be out of his reach, HE'S SIMPLY NOT THAT GOOD. Deal with it already people.

I agree wholeheartedly. Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch Palermo matches. The guy frankly is not that good and Chiellini blows him out of the water.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yet he's better than all the defenders we have, save maybe Chiellini.

He's nowhere near as good of a player as Jorge Andrade (when he's fit, obviously).

 

[Thunderball]

He's nowhere near as good of a player as Jorge Andrade (when he's fit, obviously).

Exactly, but the 100% Jorge Andrade might not exist anymore. The guy is injury prone and that's why Juventus got him on the cheap.

I suspect the whole Ranieri refusing Barzagli situation went something like this anyway:

Ranieri: How about Milito?
Secco: Nope, Zaragoza wants way more money than we're willing to pay.
Ranieri: You cheap fuckers. What about Barzagli?
Secco: Hmm... lets call.
Zamparini: Sure you can have Barzagli... for 17 million euros.
Ranieri: Yeah right. How about 9 million?
Zamparini: I guess you don't want him that badly.
Ranieri: Guess not. *hangs up*
Secco: Uh oh... now what?
Ranieri: Lets see about Andrade...

 

[JuveAdam]

Barzagli is a 26 year old defender that plays for a mid table team which concedes 50+ goals per season. He's not and he'll never be a Nesta or Cannavaro

& what were Nesta & Canna before today? Where are Milan in the league (+last season now I think of it) & how many clean sheets has he kept. Nesta was at Lazio for a large part of his career & until Sven spent silly money they were no better than Palermo today. Canna was at Napoli & Parma, hardly world beaters. Fact is that until a big club gives players like him a chance, we'll never know.

I'd rather spend €15m on an Italian International regular who's proved he can cut it in this league than a risky try of Ivanovic. Barzagli alongside Andrade with Grygera & Chiellini at CB, with Molinaro, Cristico & Legro to back them up is a solid defensive unit.

 

[Oggy]

Exactly, but the 100% Jorge Andrade might not exist anymore. The guy is injury prone and that's why Juventus got him on the cheap.

I suspect the whole Ranieri refusing Barzagli situation went something like this anyway:

Ranieri: How about Milito?
Secco: Nope, Zaragoza wants way more money than we're willing to pay.
Ranieri: You cheap fuckers. What about Barzagli?
Secco: Hmm... lets call.
Zamparini: Sure you can have Barzagli... for 17 million euros.
Ranieri: Yeah right. How about 9 million?
Zamparini: I guess you don't want him that badly.
Ranieri: Guess not. *hangs up*
Secco: Uh oh... now what?
Ranieri: Lets see about Andrade...

Just for your information Ranieri don't negotiate contract or fees for the players.

 

[V]

& what were Nesta & Canna before today? Where are Milan in the league (+last season now I think of it) & how many clean sheets has he kept. Nesta was at Lazio for a large part of his career & until Sven spent silly money they were no better than Palermo today. Canna was at Napoli & Parma, hardly world beaters. Fact is that until a big club gives players like him a chance, we'll never know.

Are you freaking kidding me? Nesta and Cannavaro were excelling whenever they played, they were clearly superior defenders playing for weaker clubs, but clubs which at the time had a lot of potential in front of them. Both of them were from a young age superior defenders and showed that on the pitch, Barzagli doesn't, simple as that. If he did he would have made some impact on the big stage already but no, he concedes 50+ goals for Palermo. I'm telling you he's not good enough and his "big move" will be Fiorentina.

 

[JuveAdam]

I'm telling you he's not good enough and his "big move" will be Fiorentina.

Ok, we disagree, so lets see what happens. Maybe your right, maybe Barzagli will be the new Ciro Ferrara for us. Thought about "doing a gsol" & blaming Morrati/Guido Rossi/Berlusconi for Palermo's poor defensive record but decided against it.

 

[Thunderball]

Just for your information Ranieri don't negotiate contract or fees for the players.

It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. But if you don't think Ranieri has say in what players are acquired and what their relative costs are, and that Secco didn't consult him on that, you're dreaming.

Say Juventus has 30m euro to spend... they ask Ranieri who he wants... you don't think he might say something like, I want Player A, B and C, but not if buying C means you can't afford to buy me A. It would not be unexpected for Secco to go to Ranieri and say, I can get you Barzagli, but it would mean I couldn't buy you Almiron/Tiago, and he said, forget it, too much.

Essentially, sucking the fun out of my example... Ranieri probably said no because he felt it was too much and meant he couldn't have Secco go after better players. Assuming Tribal/Zamparini were telling the truth... which i still doubt.

 

[Jim_Boi]

Are you freaking kidding me? Nesta and Cannavaro were excelling whenever they played, they were clearly superior defenders playing for weaker clubs, but clubs which at the time had a lot of potential in front of them. Both of them were from a young age superior defenders and showed that on the pitch, Barzagli doesn't, simple as that. If he did he would have made some impact on the big stage already but no, he concedes 50+ goals for Palermo. I'm telling you he's not good enough and his "big move" will be Fiorentina.

Remember when Cannavaro was playing at INTER, well he wasn't excelling there. Cannavaro reached his peak while playing for Juve. Would also like to remind you that soccer is played 11 vs 11 and a player can't cover every player. I recognize that Barzagli isn't a defensive leader like Cannavaro was, so therefore he doesn't have the same impact that Cannavaro had on his team-mates or organized the defenders like he did. But he is indeed a good defender, not a world-class but if given the opportunity he will either become a world class player or flop.

 

[Ahmed]

Barzagli is a 26 year old defender that plays for a mid table team which concedes 50+ goals per season. He's not and he'll never be a Nesta or Cannavaro, forget about it. He's a average defender that'll stay in Palermo for 2 more years and then move to a club like Fiorentina. Milan, Juve, Inter are and always will be out of his reach, HE'S SIMPLY NOT THAT GOOD. Deal with it already people.

good enough to be the future leader of the Azzurri defence....

 

[Bjerknes]

Exactly, but the 100% Jorge Andrade might not exist anymore. The guy is injury prone and that's why Juventus got him on the cheap.

Even a 75% Andrade is better than Barzagli. The Andrade we have seen since his major injury the other year is easily superior to Barzagli.

& what were Nesta & Canna before today? Where are Milan in the league (+last season now I think of it) & how many clean sheets has he kept. Nesta was at Lazio for a large part of his career & until Sven spent silly money they were no better than Palermo today. Canna was at Napoli & Parma, hardly world beaters. Fact is that until a big club gives players like him a chance, we'll never know.

I'd rather spend €15m on an Italian International regular who's proved he can cut it in this league than a risky try of Ivanovic. Barzagli alongside Andrade with Grygera & Chiellini at CB, with Molinaro, Cristico & Legro to back them up is a solid defensive unit.

LOL - Please don't tell me you're comparing the Nesta and Cannavaro of four or five years ago to the Barzagli of today. Nesta and Cannavaro were some of the world's best stoppers back then with Alessandro easily being world class. Barzagli is SHIT compared to the Nesta at Lazio.

It's completely foolish to compare these three players but people here continue to do it. Can't say I'm surprised though.

good enough to be the future leader of the Azzurri defence....

Well that just tells you how few defensive talents Italy currently has. Chiellini will be the greater leader and player for the Azzurri.