The...I want this player to Juve thread (23 Viewers)
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Sarcasm is a nice cop out. Liking arguments... hmm isn't debating the purpose of the forum. I am not looking for internet pals. I came on here to discuss the future of Juventus. I got most of what I expected. A fans point of view.
Sitting on the 18 is poor, who does that? Sitting on the opponents 18 is not any better. Only for the highlights. We need to rely on our playmakers. That is their job. I dont understand that one.
I would also wonder who is doing the lecturing #10. You are far from an expert on football and you may be awesome in the internet forums and you may have created a little following of insecure netties, but in the real world, in a real dispute you need to be able to accept other opinoins.
Sitting on the 18 is poor, who does that? Sitting on the opponents 18 is not any better. Only for the highlights. We need to rely on our playmakers. That is their job. I dont understand that one.
I would also wonder who is doing the lecturing #10. You are far from an expert on football and you may be awesome in the internet forums and you may have created a little following of insecure netties, but in the real world, in a real dispute you need to be able to accept other opinoins.
You know, it only takes you half a minute to find out that. 
Anyway, FYI:
Born June 9, 1984 (age 22)
Anyway, FYI:
Born June 9, 1984 (age 22)
n since many people were discussing him here, it'd would have taken less than 10 seconds to answer me :eyebrows: Thnx Marko & # 10 for the info :toast:
I had the feeling that he was older
Again Tony, you make me chuckle.
Being a sarcatisc person, sarcastic comments are fair game to me not a cop out. Your obvious pro-italia stance allows for such sarcasm. Debate and arguement are interchangable in my eyes on this forum.
I dont doubt your motivation for using this forum either.
Im not saying we should sit on our opponants 18 either. Football is a team sport, which im sure your aware of, thus imho we cant rely on merely a playmaker to create. They can be the main instigator but not the sole source of real quality. Im sure you play football and will therefore appreciate the art of keeping possession and creating space and chances. Again allowing for the defence to organise itself. That is why i would like the team to push forward more often, as apposed to be purely defence minded as us appear to want them to be.
Im sure Trez would have scored many more goals if we had more talent in CM than Paddy and Emo last season.
Im not professing to Johann Cryuff or Lippi, but i still have a reasonable idea of football like many fans, as i play the sport regurarily and watch the sport daily.
How exactly do you know i cannot accept others oppions? That oppion i shall not accept.
Was it not i who despite disagreeing with opinion supported you when you were in dispute with Lion?
Was it not i who did ones best to ignore the anti-english rubbish?
I think im accepting enough.
Being a sarcatisc person, sarcastic comments are fair game to me not a cop out. Your obvious pro-italia stance allows for such sarcasm. Debate and arguement are interchangable in my eyes on this forum.
I dont doubt your motivation for using this forum either.
Im not saying we should sit on our opponants 18 either. Football is a team sport, which im sure your aware of, thus imho we cant rely on merely a playmaker to create. They can be the main instigator but not the sole source of real quality. Im sure you play football and will therefore appreciate the art of keeping possession and creating space and chances. Again allowing for the defence to organise itself. That is why i would like the team to push forward more often, as apposed to be purely defence minded as us appear to want them to be.
Im sure Trez would have scored many more goals if we had more talent in CM than Paddy and Emo last season.
Im not professing to Johann Cryuff or Lippi, but i still have a reasonable idea of football like many fans, as i play the sport regurarily and watch the sport daily.
How exactly do you know i cannot accept others oppions? That oppion i shall not accept.
Was it not i who despite disagreeing with opinion supported you when you were in dispute with Lion?
Was it not i who did ones best to ignore the anti-english rubbish?
I think im accepting enough.
Trez scored enough to win us a scudetto. I could care less about his stats. What more do you want? CL failure was not due to too much defense. We need to get a 1-0 lead and play it smart. No one does that better than Juventus. I am not looking for a NEW Juve!!! I want the same old one back. "Boring" and "uncreative" and all. Creativity and Tactical play is NOT high quality. It takes much more tactical prowess to remain unified as a team and defend a lead until the finish. Creativity is not increasing attacking play. It has to do with intelligent moves with the ball. Catching a team with a counter attack takes much more creativity than winging the ball to players standing in a 4-3-3. Those words were created by the media for the fans. Get over it. Our system works. It is OK to not be sexy.
Trez did score enough, but im sure he would have had more, and we would have done better in the CL.
Our CL defeat imho was down to our negative tactics. Which were carried out badly.
I respect your wish for a old school Juve. But i do not want a team limited to lumping the ball forward to Zlatan like last season. Which you cannot deny was our primary out source.
Creativity indeed comes from movement, but as you have said in the past u like the turbo charged 451 of arsenal, which is key to football. BUT imho two dmfs limit s such movements which is partly where this debate stems from.
Im not advocating such care free attacking tactics, however i am supportin more creative football.
Im a little confused on your opinion regarding 433. 433 has nothing to do with lumping the ball to standing forward, thats cappello's games.
433 is a much more fluid system than i believe you percieve, which if carried out correctly is tough both defensivly but lethal on the counter attack.
Regarding the media comment, im not sure what you are meaning here.
Our system worked , indeed it did. But did it work in a rigged up serie a? It failed miserably in the CL.
Our CL defeat imho was down to our negative tactics. Which were carried out badly.
I respect your wish for a old school Juve. But i do not want a team limited to lumping the ball forward to Zlatan like last season. Which you cannot deny was our primary out source.
Creativity indeed comes from movement, but as you have said in the past u like the turbo charged 451 of arsenal, which is key to football. BUT imho two dmfs limit s such movements which is partly where this debate stems from.
Im not advocating such care free attacking tactics, however i am supportin more creative football.
Im a little confused on your opinion regarding 433. 433 has nothing to do with lumping the ball to standing forward, thats cappello's games.
433 is a much more fluid system than i believe you percieve, which if carried out correctly is tough both defensivly but lethal on the counter attack.
Regarding the media comment, im not sure what you are meaning here.
Our system worked , indeed it did. But did it work in a rigged up serie a? It failed miserably in the CL.
there is so much talent in the dutch football, just look at the NT, its full of young and talented players...However, if it was down to me, I'd go for VDV and Sneijder
Im going to shock Tony here, but i dont think it would work. VDV and Sneijder were not exactly compatible when they were together at ajax as both were to attack orientated. VDV and Sneijder are not hard working enough to be played as a combo imho. They would play sexy football though.
The 4-3-3 is a position that little children play in because they are not intelligent enough, nor creative enough to learn how to work as a team. 4-3-3 takes no imagination and no skill, and is quickly diagnosed and destroyed. Teams that run it, have short term success only.
Regarding Juventus tactics and style. I would not mind at all seeing a more creative CM. We need one. But not with the DM we have now, and not at the cost of defense. I would love to see Gilberto and Nedved in the center next year. I would love to see Gilberto and M. Diarra. Even Gilberto and Zanetti would not be bad. Zanetti and Sneijder is a scary CM combo. Zanetti - Lampard is terrifying. If you want Lampard, you would have to have Makelele next to him. Zanetti is a decent defender. If we are to have an attacking CM, we will need a very good DM. WE DONT HAVE THAT.
Regarding Juventus tactics and style. I would not mind at all seeing a more creative CM. We need one. But not with the DM we have now, and not at the cost of defense. I would love to see Gilberto and Nedved in the center next year. I would love to see Gilberto and M. Diarra. Even Gilberto and Zanetti would not be bad. Zanetti and Sneijder is a scary CM combo. Zanetti - Lampard is terrifying. If you want Lampard, you would have to have Makelele next to him. Zanetti is a decent defender. If we are to have an attacking CM, we will need a very good DM. WE DONT HAVE THAT.
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