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CheSchifo!

CheSchifo!

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Jan 11, 2009
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    The European Union makes use of some tragedies. it makes them look bigger than in the reality when it suits them. And they totally ignore many more clear tragedies because simply it doesn't suit their political or economic agenda.

    If Rwanda were an oil country, you would have seen sanctions being imposed on all its surrounding countries, but when they don't have stealable natural resources, they can die quietly, according to the ethical viewpoint of the European Union.
    The more I read it, the funnier it gets really. The EU! :D

    Where do you come up with this stuff? It's awesome.
     

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    CheSchifo!

    CheSchifo!

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    For starters I care about the Holocaust, because no one seems to remember what it was. This is not another Holocaust, Andy and don't act as if it is. Israel should be punished and it's a godawful war, but it's not another Holocaust. It's a completely different thing. The comparison isn't right and can only be held against you in this case.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    Andries, There's no point in debating it as no matter what, you'll deny it anyway. The Holocaust deniers do need to wake up but some other people here do too.
     

    Hambon

    Lion of the Desert
    Apr 22, 2005
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    For starters I care about the Holocaust, because no one seems to remember what it was. This is not another Holocaust, Andy and don't act as if it is. Israel should be punished and it's a godawful war, but it's not another Holocaust. It's a completely different thing. The comparison isn't right and can only be held against you in this case.

    So is THIS holocaust the worst in history? and why cant any holocaust/ethnic cleansing be compared against others?? Is there different values in Human Life?
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    as much as i agree with what you are trying to say, it's not really a holocaust as such

    what is being done to the palestinians is not ethnice cleansing is it?
    hol⋅o⋅caust   [hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-] Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun
    1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
    2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
    3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually prec. by the).
    4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.

    Seven is a Holocaust denier himself.
     
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    CheSchifo!

    CheSchifo!

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    So is THIS holocaust the worst in history? and why cant any holocaust/ethnic cleansing be compared against others?? Is there different values in Human Life?
    This Holocaust cannot be compared to others, no. There are various reasons for that, such as the sheer number of people killed. One could say there have been other Holocausts, the Rwandan genocide comes to mind, but the word Holocaust is generally preserved to describe the Nazi genocide.

    hol⋅o⋅caust   [hol-uh-kawst, hoh-luh-] Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun
    1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
    2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
    3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually prec. by the).
    4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.

    Seven is a Holocaust denier himself.
    First off I am well aware of the meaning of the word Holocaust. I thought we were using the popular meaning of the word here (and I'm still pretty sure we were), so I don't know why you have come up with this. And I deny a great or complete devastation? What kind of rubbish is that? You're really losing it, Andy.

    I'm sorry that some Europeans feel so guilty about the Holocaust and don't even know what the words they type mean.

    Very unfortunate indeed.
    I didn't cause the Holocaust, so I don't feel guilty. No idea where that came from, either.
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    as much as i agree with what you are trying to say, it's not really a holocaust as such

    what is being done to the palestinians is not ethnice cleansing is it?
    It is, mate.

    More than 500 villages were detroyed in 1948. Tens were destroyed since then, and the last two villages were destroyed in the last Gaza attack.

    They made massacres since 1936 to scare people and to let them leave their homes, and more than half of Palestinians were forced out of their lands. Isn't that ethnic cleansing?
     
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    CheSchifo!

    CheSchifo!

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    It is, mate.

    More than 500 villages were detroyed in 1948. Tens were destroyed since then, and the last two villages were destroyed in the last Gaza attack.

    They made massacres since 1936 to scare people and to let them leave their homes, and more than half of Palestinians were forced out of their lands. Isn't that ethnic cleansing?
    It's debatable. You could argue it is. But I personally think it's not.

    Still,

    the EU :D, the EU :D!!

    Great stuff, mate.
     
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    CheSchifo!

    CheSchifo!

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    I won't reply to you because you are just acting as a five-year-old idiot.
    A five year old idiot who at least has the decency to check out who does what before accusing people. How are you ever going to understand the mechanisms of international politics if you think the EU is responsible for human rights all over the globe?
     

    Oggy

    and the Cockroaches
    Dec 27, 2005
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    The one thing that I don't really understand is how come that Israel is only guilty about shit that is happening in Gaza. What's with Hamas, they rejected almost every proposal about stopping the massacre, and I say it's easy to sit comfortably in some big chair far away from killings and give orders to continue fighting.
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    The one thing that I don't really understand is how come that Israel is only guilty about shit that is happening in Gaza. What's with Hamas, they rejected almost every proposal about stopping the massacre, and I say it's easy to sit comfortably in some big chair far away from killings and give orders to continue fighting.
    I'll reply to you in the other thread.
     

    Hambon

    Lion of the Desert
    Apr 22, 2005
    8,073
    The Holocaust was the worst genocide in the history of man, Andy.

    Any statement denying that is moronic.

    Thats stretching it dont you think...
    1. Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
    2. Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
    3. Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
    4. Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
    5. Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
    6. Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
    7. Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
    8. Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
    9. Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
    10. Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
    11. Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
    12. Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98) 800,000
    13. Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
    14. Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000
    15. Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
    16. Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
    17. Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
    18. Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
    19. Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
    20. Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
    21. Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
    22. Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
    23. Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
    24. Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-96) 180,000
    25. Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000

    source

    its a small list of SOME of the atrocities ONLY in the 20th century.....
     

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