The games are afoot: general Euro 2004 discussion thread (7 Viewers)

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IncuboRossonero

IncuboRossonero

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Does someone KNOW where I can find the REGULATION regarding Italy's situation...

i.e. their elimination if SWEDEN - DENMARK match ends in a 2-2 tie.

If not..could someone explain HOW they think the rule works.

I am having a discussion with a friend and we both have our own version.

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Dragon

Dragon

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Apr 24, 2003
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Nicholas:

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Italy currently have 2 points, behind Sweden and Denmark with 4 points. Bulgaria is eliminated with 0 points. If Italy lose or draw, they will have 2 or 3 points compared to Sweden and Denmark who will have at least 4 points and Italy cannot advance.

Now if Italy win, they will have 5 points. Sweden and Denmark are playing each other so if either of those teams win, the winner will have 7 points, Italy will have 5 and the loser will have 4 so Italy will advance.

That was all quite simple.

Now if Italy wins and Sweden and Denmark were to draw, all three sides would be level with 5 points. To break a three way tie, FIFA creates a "mini-league" discounting all of the matches inolving Bulgaria. So create a table based on Ita-Swe, Ita-Den, Den-Swe. Italys result in the "minileague" is already decided. They scored zero against Denmark and 1 against Sweden. Denmark has not scored yet in the "mini league" and Sweden has scored once. Goal diference for all of the teams will be even in the "minileague" (remember the Denmark Sweden game must end in a tie in order for this tiebreaker to be enacted so all 3 squads will undoubtably be even in goal difference. If they aren't, then either Sweden or Denmark won and Italy would advance) and Italy cannot improve this regardless of their preformance against Bulgaria. So if the mini league is enacted, we know that:

- Italy, Sweden and Denmark will all have to have 2 points in the minileague

- Since all of the matches considered will have been draws, the goal difference will be even for all 3 teams.

So the next tie breaker is goals for. Italy have 1 goal for in the mini and cannot improve this. If Denmark and Sweden are each able to have better then one goal for ( a 2-2 draw, 5-5 draw, 100-100 draw it dosen't matter, then Italy will have 1 goal for, and both Sweden and Denmark will have 2 or more goals for and they will win the tiebreaker and adavance.
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BigIzz

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Jul 12, 2002
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In the event of a three way tie, UEFA creates a "mini table" with the three teams involved and discounts their matches against the fourth (Bulgaria in this case). The three teams then follow normal FIFA tiebreaking procedures within the "minitable" with head to head results, then goal difference, then goals scored. If Sweden-Denmark ends 2-2 or a higher tie, then Italy will have fewer goals scored in the "minitable" (they will only have 1 goal for, because the match against Bulgaria isn't considered)
 

BigIzz

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Jul 12, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Well BigIZZ your explanation was SPOT ON and very clear..consider a career in writing manuals. ;)
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Thank you, I hear manual writers get all the girls these days anyhow...
 
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Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


    Nah I think the self-righteous bullshit is more annoying .. it MAY SEEM like people are annoyed with me but its just because I'm a Milan fan. You have no excuse..your a Juventino and you still manage to have people avoid you. Hats off Zatty.



    There is no US..there is YOU Zlatan...you tried to be the defender versus the supposed upper crust posters who were beating on Lillianna..it seems even Lilianna had a good laugh with everyone after you left. As she didn't even take it that serious.
    So predictable? I'll define predictable Zatty: When the discussions move AWAY from football and someone takes a shot at me I can expect Zlatan to come out from behind and throw his usual 'Incubo is at it again' broken record where no one really cares or even knows what your talking about. Its called an original thought..GET ONE.




    The last word..or the lame word?

    P.S. I'll be appearing Monday through Thursday and twice on Wednesdays on "Nick versus the World" and "the EURO Thread": get your tickets in advance and I recommend getting there early so you can start your heckling. Enjoy the show Zatty.
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    Actually Nick, I enjoy this, you always crack me up. You should be the world record holder in the "biggest post that says nothing" cathegory. I'd vote for you.

    People avoid me you say? So? Who gives a flying fvck Nick, I dont have the need for everyone to like me, especially guys like you.
     
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    Zlatan

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    Jun 9, 2003
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    And yes, when someone takes a shot at you you can expect me to be there to back them up. Why? I dont like you. In fact, I I think you're a freakin' jerk. There. I said it. Now you can go and play the victim like you did when you just joined, that should make you happy.
     
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