The games are afoot: general Euro 2004 discussion thread (23 Viewers)

[Roman]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++



With the correct lineup and no mistakes done by Trap Italy could do that


WERE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WHOLE COMPETITION!!

IMPOSSIBLE!:down:

 

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[kurvengeflüster]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
WERE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WHOLE COMPETITION!!

evidences, please. I'd like to be convinced.

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


Doesn't matter anyway - we should have been given one. It was OURS to fuck up!!!

That is true!!!!



Mejuto is this competition's Byron Moreno!!!

 

[Sarah_old]

++ [ originally posted by Arif ] ++
yeah, you're right. ruud's goal was a clear offside!

It wouldn't be had Robben scored from that position. But since he passed the ball to RVN ... :undecide: I've always question the way these offside rules work.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
I watched BBC coverage - they got a video from the UEFA presentation for referee's. According to that it was a fine goal as Ruud apparently wasn't part of play at the time of the initial pass to Robben.

The rule is insane though - of COURSE he was part of play.

But nevertheless, the rule exists.

Exactly. As I said though, the rule should be revised.

As it stands, the offside rule lasts for only 'one pass', so theoretically you could have a system where you have, say 2 forwards constantly in offside positions, then just get a pacy winger, pass the ball to him and run him down the flank for him to cut back to the campers

 

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

He was waaaaay offside when the ball was passed out to Robben, but since he wasn't interfering with play at the time, he wasn't ruled offside. But then Robben crosses the ball for him to score..

I though i wa the only one thinking about it.

In the beggining of the play...when robben receives the ball....Ruud is in offside position... but he is walking out of the play so he is passive.

In the ionstant robben receive the ball...Ruud changte direction and starts to run. imo IN THAT EXACT MOMENT.... he broke the passive position rule....as he was offside.

But thats my opinion... if someone can clear this....

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
Mejuto is this competition's Byron Moreno!!!

Yes! Thank you!

++ [ originally posted by Sarah ] ++
It wouldn't be had Robben scored from that position. But since he passed the ball to RVN ... :undecide: I've always question the way these offside rules work.

The rules on this tournament are an odd case. Not like club football:

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
I watched BBC coverage - they got a video from the UEFA presentation for referee's. According to that it was a fine goal as Ruud apparently wasn't part of play at the time of the initial pass to Robben.

The rule is insane though - of COURSE he was part of play.

But nevertheless, the rule exists.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Exactly. As I said though, the rule should be revised.

As it stands, the offside rule lasts for only 'one pass', so theoretically you could have a system where you have, say 2 forwards constantly in offside positions, then just get a pacy winger, pass the ball to him and run him down the flank for him to cut back to the campers

Yes indeed. That's why its madness.

I mean, it worked in our advantage tonight (to some extent anyway ) but its an insane rule.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

What, because he turned a blind eye to three Latvian penalties today?

I wrote that during the game. Do you do live updates? Then shut up

that was a bit harsh... I liked it :devil:

No, I waited to see the results of both games so that I dont have to do the tables twice.


But it's still nicely done, right?

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


We would have missed? Oh, right, I forgot you're psychic.

Regardless - we should have been given one. It was OURS to fuck up!!!

That was a joke Erik, remember a certain match against Italy? A joke.

Anyways, you werent very badly damaged there, Ruud scored in the next minute.

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++

Well if YOU say so...

FFS, I'm just stating my opinion. I know you're upset but dont fvcking take it out on me with your sarcasm.

 

[Roman]

Ok guyz,see y all.
GGGGGGGGGOOOO CZEECCCCCCCHHH!!!!WHAT A NIGHT!I JUST LOVE EM'!!!




P.S.
Erik,don't be so upset,dont' think about the ref,card,penalty,leave it mate.
It is your coach who was dumb replacing your best attacking player---ROBBEN---- who was simply amazing along with Ruud.he took him outmRuud left alone.!IDIOT!almost like Trap!


Don't worry,We won't lose to Germany...!.cheer up.

 

[kurvengeflüster]

IMO offside, because out of his passive role he got such a huge advantage...but that were only my two cents...

I don't know in which way rules act. propably referees don't know it either.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
I heard an UEFA licensed ref explain it

Yeah, like that means a lot

 

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
If Italy goes through the QF match will be

Italy - C Republic

this smells like shit ... really...

I didnt wanted this teams to meet ... at least not so early........ ****.

Im very worried.. id ont wan to see any of those 2 out of the competition. this really suks.-

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Yeah, like that means a lot

Well, at least he knows the rules

 

[Dan]

Advocaat is just a shitty coach. He really is. He plays attractive football on occasion, but he cant keep peace among the players, he does stupid subsitions, he doenst know how to react to the change in tactics in czechs.

Cech was very overlooked. What about that save from the fierce long shot?!?

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
That was a joke Erik, remember a certain match against Italy? A joke.

I'm not an Italy fan - don't remember things very detailed.

FFS, I'm just stating my opinion. I know you're upset but dont fvcking take it out on me with your sarcasm.

It came across as cocky - my bad. I misunderstood. I apologise.

++ [ originally posted by Roman ] ++
P.S.
Erik,don't be so upset,dont' think about the ref,card,penalty,leave it mate.
It is your coach who was dumb replacing your best attacking player---ROBBEN---- who was simply amazing along with Ruud.he took him outmRuud left alone.!IDIOT!almost like Trap!


Don't worry,We won't lose to Germany...!.cheer up.

PLEASE beat the Germans! I think we deserve to go through after tonight's Performance (with capital p)!!! God hates us - we need your help.

Graham - does the Bible have Satan's phone number??

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


I watched BBC coverage - they got a video from the UEFA presentation for referee's. According to that it was a fine goal as Ruud apparently wasn't part of play at the time of the initial pass to Robben.

The rule is insane though - of COURSE he was part of play.

But nevertheless, the rule exists.

Yeah, one of the analysts (I think his name is Mark) criticized how the rule said "the player who was initially offside was not gaining an advantage". He said that makes no sense because the player would not be there (behind the center backs) in the first place if he would not gain an advantage. And thats true. Also, in terms of a goalkeeper's view, that offside player is part of the play because he must keep track of BOTH players. So that ruling on offsides must be changed. It makes no sense.

 

[Dan]

Im sure Van nistrooy was actually offside when the ball was played from robben to him. Maybe im just blind though.. but they say the new offside rule is supossed to confuse the defenders less, but it confuses the goalkeppers more.

 

[Slagathor]

True. Its a crap rule for goalkeepers.

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Yeah, one of the analysts (I think his name is Mark) criticized how the rule said "the player who was initially offside was not gaining an advantage". He said that makes no sense because the player would not be there (behind the center backs) in the first place if he would not gain an advantage. And thats true. Also, in terms of a goalkeeper's view, that offside player is part of the play because he must keep track of BOTH players. So that ruling on offsides must be changed. It makes no sense.

No indeed - it makes no sense at all!

But as it stands - the goal was valid fully according to UEFA's rules.

 

[kurvengeflüster]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
... Graham - does the Bible have Satan's phone number??

hehe what for do you need it? Your coach or the Germans?