The games are afoot: general Euro 2004 discussion thread (25 Viewers)

[kurvengeflüster]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


No ****ing way. Foul - yes. Card - no. Especially not when he already has one.

if it is a foul (known as "notbremse") then it is yellow - otherwise it's not a foul...the fact that he already got a card didn't change the rules

 

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[Dan]

dont blame the ref for the failure. I never ever do.

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by Roman ] ++

MY BOTH FAVOURITE TEAMS!!!

BUt with Trap?!WE ARE GOING TO LOSE,IF ARE TO MEET THEM!

I know! those two teams rule

Id love to see Italy destroy Czech Republic

Hopefully Italy will advance, that match will be awesome


If not it'll be Denmark - Czech Republic... easy one for the Czech

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
VDV misses a half-chance from 5 yards

But shit, now Holland needs a big favour from the Czechs to get past the group stage.

I think the table reads:

Czech 6
Germany 2
Holland 1
Latvia 1

You can see all the results, fixtures, tables, and ALL the scorers in the first post

 

[Hydde]

OMG...whtat a game...maybe the best i have seen in this euro.

Both teams played with such conviction... that both deserved to win.

Thw way the Czechs made that comebakc is something admirable....as holland was very impressive in most of the game, but the czechs managed to go thru.

Im really, really happy for Nedved........... is like a rebirth. He was playing like the nedved of the CL we lost. Running, tackling..creating plays and above all..shooting his crazy overdrives that we were missing the whole las half of the seaosn with Juventus. He really regained his form.


But im very worried now.... because if italy make it...all points to a Czech rep - Italy clash in the quarter finals........

this really sucks :down:

 

[Dan]

My 3 favs are czech ireland italy (not in order, but italy goes at the top)

It was notbremse. Nedved had a clear chance.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by kurvengeflüster ] ++
if it is a foul (known as "notbremse") then it is yellow - otherwise it's not a foul...the fact that he already got a card didn't change the rules

By German Bundesliga rules that may have been a card - by Netherlandic Eredivisie standards and English Premier League rules it wouldn't have. And that's the problem with EC's - too many cultural differences.

 

[kurvengeflüster]

++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++

Id love to see Italy destroy Czech Republic

Having seen both teams in Portugal I really doubt wether Italians could destroy Koller and friends

 

[Bjerknes]

Bloody hell. Italy vs. the Czechs. Figures. :groan:

 

[kurvengeflüster]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
By German Bundesliga rules that may have been a card - by Netherlandic Eredivisie standards and English Premier League rules it wouldn't have. And that's the problem with EC's - too many cultural differences.

indeed a problem

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
God hates Holland.

Stop giving me so much shit then

Okay maybe it's not the time for jokes right now :down:

btw I'm just wondering about Holland's second goal, scored by Ruud. Maybe he was obeying (exploiting) the offside rule, but I think it should be revised somewhat. He was waaaaay offside when the ball was passed out to Robben, but since he wasn't interfering with play at the time, he wasn't ruled offside. But then Robben crosses the ball for him to score. Isn't that a bit unfair for the Czechs? I guess it doesn't matter now, but at the time I think they would've been spewing

It's kind of hard to explain, try watching a replay of the goal and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by blackmint ] ++
dont blame the ref for the failure. I never ever do.

Of course I know we could have won regardless of the referee; I'm saying that he shouldn't have even been there after that gruesome mistake in the Italy match and he proved it again this match that he's utter CRAP.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Stop giving me so much shit then Okay maybe it's not the time for jokes right now :down:

btw I'm just wondering about Holland's second goal, scored by Ruud. Maybe he was obeying (exploiting) the offside rule, but I think it should be revised somewhat. He was waaaaay offside when the ball was passed out to Robben, but since he wasn't interfering with play at the time, he wasn't ruled offside. But then Robben crosses the ball for him to score. Isn't that a bit unfair for the Czechs?

It's kind of hard to explain, try watching a replay of the goal and you'll see what I mean.

I watched BBC coverage - they got a video from the UEFA presentation for referee's. According to that it was a fine goal as Ruud apparently wasn't part of play at the time of the initial pass to Robben.

The rule is insane though - of COURSE he was part of play.

But nevertheless, the rule exists.

 

[The Arif]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Stop giving me so much shit then Okay maybe it's not the time for jokes right now :down:

btw I'm just wondering about Holland's second goal, scored by Ruud. Maybe he was obeying (exploiting) the offside rule, but I think it should be revised somewhat. He was waaaaay offside when the ball was passed out to Robben, but since he wasn't interfering with play at the time, he wasn't ruled offside. But then Robben crosses the ball for him to score. Isn't that a bit unfair for the Czechs?

It's kind of hard to explain, try watching a replay of the goal and you'll see what I mean.

yeah, you're right. ruud's goal was a clear offside!

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


"Hup" is Dutch for "Forza"



Happy now?

Well what can I say; we failed to convert our every chance so I suppose we deserved to loose...


NOT

**** that Spanish referee! ****ing moron should have been sent home after that Italy match but he was allowed to stay and now he didn't give us a penalty kick and he sent off Heitinga for something that didn't deserve a yellow card at all! :fero:

Its over now - the Germans never loose when in these circumstances and the Czechs are going to play their second team as they'll be looking to rest their players for the quarter finals.

God hates Holland.

You should be happy that he didnt give the first penalty (when Ujfaluši held Ruud), you would have missed and Ruud scored anyways.

Anyways, I saw both Heitinga's offences and the first one was a clear yellow, and IMO the second one was for a yellow too, altho he would have gotten away with it had it not been a counterattack.


Anyways, A few days ago I told my friend that there are three groups of favourites in this tournament:


Group 1: France, Czech Republic
Group 2: Italy
Group 3: Sweden, Spain


As you see, no Holland, nor Germany, nor Portugal.

 

[Dragon]

++ [ originally posted by kurvengeflüster ] ++


Having seen both teams in Portugal I really doubt wether Italians could destroy Koller and friends

With the correct lineup and no mistakes done by Trap Italy could do that


WERE THE BEST TEAM IN THE WHOLE COMPETITION!!

 

[Dan]

++ [ originally posted by kurvengeflüster ] ++


Having seen both teams in Portugal I really doubt wether Italians could destroy Koller and friends

Koller was great aswell today. A goal and assist. great game.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by blackmint ] ++
dont blame the ref for the failure. I never ever do.

What, because he turned a blind eye to three Latvian penalties today?

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
You can see all the results, fixtures, tables, and ALL the scorers in the first post

I wrote that during the game. Do you do live updates? Then shut up

that was a bit harsh... I liked it :devil:

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
You should be happy that he didnt give the first penalty (when Ujfaluši held Ruud), you would have missed and Ruud scored anyways.

We would have missed? Oh, right, I forgot you're psychic.

Regardless - we should have been given one. It was OURS to fuck up!!!

Anyways, A few days ago I told my friend that there are three groups of favourites in this tournament:


Group 1: France, Czech Republic
Group 2: Italy
Group 3: Sweden, Spain


As you see, no Holland, nor Germany, nor Portugal.

Well if YOU say so...

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Stop giving me so much shit then

Okay maybe it's not the time for jokes right now :down:

btw I'm just wondering about Holland's second goal, scored by Ruud. Maybe he was obeying (exploiting) the offside rule, but I think it should be revised somewhat. He was waaaaay offside when the ball was passed out to Robben, but since he wasn't interfering with play at the time, he wasn't ruled offside. But then Robben crosses the ball for him to score. Isn't that a bit unfair for the Czechs? I guess it doesn't matter now, but at the time I think they would've been spewing

It's kind of hard to explain, try watching a replay of the goal and you'll see what I mean.

I heard an UEFA licensed ref explain it, apparantly by the rules the pass to Robben and the pass to Ruud were two different plays. He wasnt interfering with the first one, and was in an ok position in the second.

Altho I agree, Ruud did get an unfair advantage by being there.