The Gaby Milito to Juve saga (39 Viewers)

[Jem83]

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I never knew Milito was responsible for all those carbon emissions!

Milito? Don't you mean "I Militate" ?

 

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[nielsen]

ok... cheers mate...
and i think that his agent said that if milito was to leave zaragosa it would be only to Juventus i read that on calciomercato i think...
Bring milito home

 

[Jun-hide]

Yeah but Real had more success than us during that period... along with Zidane.

Andy,

I have to disagree with you. Since Zizou went to Madrird, I think they only won one CL and one La Liga title. Now if you compare that Juve's consistency both in Europe and domestic records, I think it is quite safe to say we have been a better team with a good margin.

Now, obviously Real didnt succeed not because they are not good at getting players they wanted. On contrary too good. That meant they were left with 10 strikers and a defender to win a game. Good transfer strategy requires well planned out thought. Moggi is a master of this game. Having said that I am relatively surprised by Secco in recent weeks. His getting his acts together. If he can keep Trez, conclude Milito, and buy rotational playmaker to backup both Nedved and Ale, you know, I might actually like Secco and apologize everything I said to him.

 

[malducato1]

Lets hope we can make this signing. With Milito we can even make due and play Chiellini at centerback and start Molinaro at left back and also Cristio if we don't loan him out.

 

[nielsen]

Andy,

I have to disagree with you. Since Zizou went to Madrird, I think they only won one CL and one La Liga title. Now if you compare that Juve's consistency both in Europe and domestic records, I think it is quite safe to say we have been a better team with a good margin.

Now, obviously Real didnt succeed not because they are not good at getting players they wanted. On contrary too good. That meant they were left with 10 strikers and a defender to win a game. Good transfer strategy requires well planned out thought. Moggi is a master of this game. Having said that I am relatively surprised by Secco in recent weeks. His getting his acts together. If he can keep Trez, conclude Milito, and buy rotational playmaker to backup both Nedved and Ale, you know, I might actually like Secco and apologize everything I said to him.

 

[Bjerknes]

That doesn't matter. You see, we didn't have succes with Zidane, but we did with Nedved, Buffon and Thuram. And we did beat Real in 2003 and 2005.

So what do you call the years between 1996 and 1998? Lackluster success?

 

[Wraith]

That doesn't matter. You see, we didn't have succes with Zidane, but we did with Nedved, Buffon and Thuram. And we did beat Real in 2003 and 2005.

I never said Real Madrid doesn't spend exorbitantly. But they are very good at unsettling players and getting their own way. They picked up the pichichi winner for 15m - which is only 2m more than we paid for Tiago. They made Lyon concede terms for Diarra, and Lyon usually asks for ridiculous amounts of money for anyone. They got Figo from f-ing Barcelona, money is one thing but still Real must have been pretty convincing. We shouldn't spend so much money on players like they do, but we should negotiate like a big club - which we haven't seen yet, because we haven't gone after any really high profile targets. No offense to Iaquinta, Almiron, or Tiago, because they're good transfers anyway.

Back on topic, to Milito: even if we don't get him, that Garay kid isn't the answer...

 

[Jun-hide]

Lets hope we can make this signing. With Milito we can even make due and play Chiellini at centerback and start Molinaro at left back and also Cristio if we don't loan him out.

I think that is very possible. Personally, I don't mind overspending on Milito a bit, and try to see how our youngsters can make up a step or two in the upcoming campaign. Grygera, Chiellini, Criscito, Boumsong means that we got a wealth of players to try our luck there next season, and surely one or two could step up and fill in the void. I think the wild-card is Criscito. If he plays well during the pre-season, I say keep him, and go for scatter-gun approach. If board thinks he is better off playing elsewhere, I say, we could look for a CB just b4 transfer deadline.

 

[Seven]

So what do you call the years between 1996 and 1998? Lackluster success?

I'm talking about the years between 1998 and 2002. Zidane was never going to be sold for the price he was between 1996 and 1998, Andy. Real simply wouldn't have offered the same amount.

Real bought Zidane when we simply didn't need him that much anymore and when he wasn't worth that kind of money. Which is why we let him go.

 

[Bjerknes]

Andy,

I have to disagree with you. Since Zizou went to Madrird, I think they only won one CL and one La Liga title. Now if you compare that Juve's consistency both in Europe and domestic records, I think it is quite safe to say we have been a better team with a good margin.

We're talking about Europe here Jun, and it's sad to say it but the years in which Seven specified were better years for Real in Europe. Afterall they won the tournament in 2002 with a Zidane wonderstrike.

 

[nielsen]

I never said Real Madrid doesn't spend exorbitantly. But they are very good at unsettling players and getting their own way. They picked up the pichichi winner for 15m - which is only 2m more than we paid for Tiago. They made Lyon concede terms for Diarra, and Lyon usually asks for ridiculous amounts of money for anyone. They got Figo from f-ing Barcelona, money is one thing but still Real must have been pretty convincing. We shouldn't spend so much money on players like they do, but we should negotiate like a big club - which we haven't seen yet, because we haven't gone after any really high profile targets. No offense to Iaquinta, Almiron, or Tiago, because they're good transfers anyway.

Back on topic, to Milito: even if we don't get him, that Garay kid isn't the answer...

for which player u'll go for then??????

 

[Ahmedios]

if I understand correctly, Capello wanted Milito but now that's he's probably gone they're are not sure if the new coach wants him.

The only team who made a formal offer is Juve, they need to find the right price.

I read elsewhere that Milito wants Juve, not Real.

We'll see.

So, anything will be possible now. Capello may stay at Real or may leave, Milito may opt to join us or join Real and Zaragoza want to raise Milito's transfer fee as possible as they can.

I think we can reach an agreement with them soon. In fact, the thing that gives me a little hope is the player's desire to join Juventus itself.

 

[Jem83]

Just being Juve is great. I could feel it vs Bologna at the Olimpico. No one in the crowd cared that it was Serie B. We were shouting and singing like mad . Pardon the digression, but I'm sitting here listening to Zadok the priest (the CL anthem) again. JUVE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bjerknes]

I never said Real Madrid doesn't spend exorbitantly. But they are very good at unsettling players and getting their own way. They picked up the pichichi winner for 15m - which is only 2m more than we paid for Tiago. They made Lyon concede terms for Diarra, and Lyon usually asks for ridiculous amounts of money for anyone. They got Figo from f-ing Barcelona, money is one thing but still Real must have been pretty convincing. We shouldn't spend so much money on players like they do, but we should negotiate like a big club - which we haven't seen yet, because we haven't gone after any really high profile targets. No offense to Iaquinta, Almiron, or Tiago, because they're good transfers anyway.

But then again, for years Real would spend money needlessly and not fix obvious problems at hand... such as the defense for a number of years. Perhaps shouldn't take lessons from them in regards to which players to buy, however we should be more of a monster in the transfer market.

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm talking about the years between 1998 and 2002. Zidane was never going to be sold for the price he was between 1996 and 1998, Andy. Real simply wouldn't have offered the same amount.

Real bought Zidane when we simply didn't need him that much anymore and when he wasn't worth that kind of money. Which is why we let him go.

I think the more accurrate statement is the sale of Zidane was beneficial to both parties in question, not just Juventus.

 

[Jem83]

I think the more accurrate statement is the sale of Zidane was beneficial to both parties in question, not just Juventus.

This is the truth

 

[Seven]

I think the more accurrate statement is the sale of Zidane was beneficial to both parties in question, not just Juventus.

The thing is though, Real never got as much back as they invested. Let's face it, they gave us a team and got one player in return. Zidane was great for them and most probably pivotal in their succes, however it was never going to be considered an awesome deal.

 

[Red]

The thing is though, Real never got as much back as they invested. Let's face it, they gave us a team and got one player in return. Zidane was great for them and most probably pivotal in their succes, however it was never going to be considered an awesome deal.

Real didn't get that much for their money really, only really 3 good years from Zidane for a ludicrous amount of money.

 

[Jem83]

What Zidane did in that final, in my opinion, is worth 53 million pounds alone.

 

[Jun-hide]

We're talking about Europe here Jun, and it's sad to say it but the years in which Seven specified were better years for Real in Europe. Afterall they won the tournament in 2002 with a Zidane wonderstrike.

If my memory serves correct since 2002 Real's record in CL is

2002: Winners
2003: Runners Up
2004: Quarter finalist
2005: Last 16
2006: Last 16
2007: Last 16

Juve's corresponding record is:

2002: 2nd Stage Group
2003: Finalist
2004: Last 16
2005: Last 8
2006: Last 8

So yes, in terms of European record, Real has definetely been better. But I think we are conflating two issues here: (1) How you get players and (2) How you set out your transfer policy.

Personally, I think Real's success during early stage of the above period was largely due to the foundation built buy Lorenzo Sanz, as their European success during his tenure was far more notable. Since a waste of sperm Perez took over, marketing has taken a priority over sporting success, and if buying big players for the sake of it, well I don't think we should follow Madrid. Then again, I understand your point. A well thought out transfer, which incorporates big names, is the best ones, and there is no reason why you can't be good at getting players as well as finding out which players to get. I believe Moggi was on the process of doing exactly that, bar for all that travesty we experienced last year. Real pitty, because I think we could have won a CL last year, considering how things panned out.