The Financial Situation (69 Viewers)
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I'd never invest in this shit 
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=JUVE.MI&b=20&a=11&c=2001&e=7&d=08&f=2014&g=m
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=JUVE.MI&b=20&a=11&c=2001&e=7&d=08&f=2014&g=m
I'd never invest in this $#@!
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=JUVE.MI&b=20&a=11&c=2001&e=7&d=08&f=2014&g=m
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nah. the leaders are, but not the top-10 overall.
i think, we will establish ourselves in Europe's Top-7/top-8 in terms of revenue: :theflag:
1.-4.: real, barcelona, ManU, bayern -> out of reach for us for years to come
5.-7.: the rest of the english big-four (chelsea, city, arsenal) -> ahead of us cuz of their crazy PL-tv and sponsoring-deals
8.: JUVE, and thats where we should establish ourselves.
football has changed. pre calciopoli we were in the top-4/5, nowadays we can be content with top-8
EDIT: and lets not forget that its a huge advantage that we dominate our domestic league. bayern for example benefit from this point for years. they have built their whole empire on years of dominating their league and always getting the best players of bundesliga.
we have to follow their role model
i think, we will establish ourselves in Europe's Top-7/top-8 in terms of revenue: :theflag:
1.-4.: real, barcelona, ManU, bayern -> out of reach for us for years to come
5.-7.: the rest of the english big-four (chelsea, city, arsenal) -> ahead of us cuz of their crazy PL-tv and sponsoring-deals
8.: JUVE, and thats where we should establish ourselves.
football has changed. pre calciopoli we were in the top-4/5, nowadays we can be content with top-8
EDIT: and lets not forget that its a huge advantage that we dominate our domestic league. bayern for example benefit from this point for years. they have built their whole empire on years of dominating their league and always getting the best players of bundesliga.
we have to follow their role model
nah, i think the point is financial wise: bayern being able to get werder bremens or schalkes or dortmunds best players for example is just because these teams pay low wages.
dortmund for example has paid/pays very low wages (top-earner are guys like reus and hummels with 2,5 mio. net), so bayern has an easy task to seduce their players with higher salaries.
in italy it wasnt that easy up to now, cuz especially the milanese teams paid (very) high wages as well. you cant attract top-earners easily. in past years i speak of guys like ibra, silva, pato, etoo, snejider, balotelli, higuain and so on.
dortmund for example has paid/pays very low wages (top-earner are guys like reus and hummels with 2,5 mio. net), so bayern has an easy task to seduce their players with higher salaries.
in italy it wasnt that easy up to now, cuz especially the milanese teams paid (very) high wages as well. you cant attract top-earners easily. in past years i speak of guys like ibra, silva, pato, etoo, snejider, balotelli, higuain and so on.
The clubs are perhaps more professional about it, though also the discrepancy between what Bayern and other suitors abroad can offer in monetary terms is less than between Juventus and other non-Italian teams, but I can assure you that the fans are very much outraged by the transfers, just look at Götze, Lewandowski or Neuer.
The fans may despise Bayern, the ones in charge seemingly don't give a shit though, and openly deal with Bayern. Plus as I said, you have the likes of Lewandowski who would simply wait and join them on a free anyway so you can sell to them for a profit, or get some more use out of a player but lose him on a free which is a bit reckless.
For us, our rivals demand mega money for their players, and their players will happily go to the BPL/Spain if they do run their contracts down. Bayern have the league in a choke hold, perhaps we could have something similar if we continue our dominance but it's also worth noting the talent pool in Serie A is comparatively crap.
For us, our rivals demand mega money for their players, and their players will happily go to the BPL/Spain if they do run their contracts down. Bayern have the league in a choke hold, perhaps we could have something similar if we continue our dominance but it's also worth noting the talent pool in Serie A is comparatively crap.
they dont offer wages like the spanish, english oder french giants as well. lets take a look at the personnel costs (whole club: players + staff) according to their financial reports:
Bayern 10/11: 156,3 Mio. EUR
Bayern 11/12: 165,6 Mio EUR
Bayern 12/13: 202,8 Mio. EUR (including huge Treble-bonuses for the whole staff i assume)
JUVENTUS 10/11: 139,6 Mio. EUR
JUVENTUS 11/12: 150 Mio. EUR
JUVENTUS 12/13: 163,5 Mio. EUR
remember: in 2008 bayern got raped by Zenit in UEFA-Cup (!) 4:0 (Bayern didnt play CL at all), 2010 they reached the CL-final and had the chance to win the triple. football is a short-lived business. 2006 hoeneß complained that bayern cant compete with juventus financially, in 2014 we complain the other way round.
in medium-term (and maybe even long-term) we have no chance to compete with the financial top-4 real, barca, ManU, bayern. but we can establish ourselves in the top-8 and that should be our goal.
Bayern 10/11: 156,3 Mio. EUR
Bayern 11/12: 165,6 Mio EUR
Bayern 12/13: 202,8 Mio. EUR (including huge Treble-bonuses for the whole staff i assume)
JUVENTUS 10/11: 139,6 Mio. EUR
JUVENTUS 11/12: 150 Mio. EUR
JUVENTUS 12/13: 163,5 Mio. EUR
remember: in 2008 bayern got raped by Zenit in UEFA-Cup (!) 4:0 (Bayern didnt play CL at all), 2010 they reached the CL-final and had the chance to win the triple. football is a short-lived business. 2006 hoeneß complained that bayern cant compete with juventus financially, in 2014 we complain the other way round.
in medium-term (and maybe even long-term) we have no chance to compete with the financial top-4 real, barca, ManU, bayern. but we can establish ourselves in the top-8 and that should be our goal.
If we keep on raping the rest of the serie a we are in good business.. Players like iturbe go to Roma because they still think Roma has a chance to do something.. if we win the league again they might reconsider ..
Imo the pogba transfer, the vidal transfer and so on is the right kind of business.. I hope coman is going to rape Italy too.. Every youngster wants to join us because we give them a chance.. So potential Wc players for next to nothing and wc players for the rest of our budget
.. Imo the pogba transfer, the vidal transfer and so on is the right kind of business.. I hope coman is going to rape Italy too.. Every youngster wants to join us because we give them a chance.. So potential Wc players for next to nothing and wc players for the rest of our budget
Lewandowski wasn't sold, he rejected a contract extension and every club but Bayern.
Götze was transferred due to a clause as well, the club would have most likely rejected a move.
Neuer at 22 million was very expensive for a GK, #2 fee behind Buffon.
Pretty much every other star, Robben, Ribery, Martinez, etc, came from abroad.
Götze was transferred due to a clause as well, the club would have most likely rejected a move.
Neuer at 22 million was very expensive for a GK, #2 fee behind Buffon.
Pretty much every other star, Robben, Ribery, Martinez, etc, came from abroad.
You are talking about this generation, previous years and decades says otherwise. Bayern easily bought every single star from other clubs if he wanted so.Yes they paid for them big money but they did not encounter problmes that Juve faces when dealing with other Italian clubs, I mean we are having trouble buying Fiorentina's biggest stars because of the hate, that would be equal of Bayern having trouble buying Gladbach or Frankfurts best players.Only transfer that they missed out due "the hate" that I can think of in recent time is Vidal.