The Financial Situation (72 Viewers)

[Ocelot]

You are talking about this generation, previous years and decades says otherwise. Bayern easily bought every single star from other clubs if he wanted so.Yes they paid for them big money but they did not encounter problmes that Juve faces when dealing with other Italian clubs, I mean we are having trouble buying Fiorentina's biggest stars because of the hate, that would be equal of Bayern having trouble buying Gladbach or Frankfurts best players.Only transfer that they missed out due "the hate" that I can think of in recent time is Vidal.

Well, if you're talking history, then Juve also has Nedved, Buffon, Baggio, Thuram, Emerson, etc. to show for. Add to that that Bayern never had any true rival equalling them in Germany for more than a few years, and none of the other clubs ever came close to it in terms of financial capabilities as well as prestige.

 

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[Zacheryah]

Apart from milan during 2 decades, no one did to juventus eighter

 

[JuveMkd]

You are talking about this generation, previous years and decades says otherwise. Bayern easily bought every single star from other clubs if he wanted so.Yes they paid for them big money but they did not encounter problmes that Juve faces when dealing with other Italian clubs, I mean we are having trouble buying Fiorentina's biggest stars because of the hate, that would be equal of Bayern having trouble buying Gladbach or Frankfurts best players.Only transfer that they missed out due "the hate" that I can think of in recent time is Vidal.

we bought Baggio from fiorentina and so many stars from other teams in the past thats why they hate us so much and refuse to sell to us sometimes

in germany its different there aren't any zamparinis or delaurentis or other mad men at the head of their clubs

 

[Adrian]

If we keep on raping the rest of the serie a we are in good business.. Players like iturbe go to Roma because they still think Roma has a chance to do something.. if we win the league again they might reconsider ..

Imo the pogba transfer, the vidal transfer and so on is the right kind of business.. I hope coman is going to rape Italy too.. Every youngster wants to join us because we give them a chance.. So potential Wc players for next to nothing and wc players for the rest of our budget

yeah I agree...whilst we look at Serie A teams for players the better ones have actually come from abroad. Vidal, Pogba, Barzagli, Tevez, Llorente..Coman and Morata maybe. Don't get me wrong Pirlo has been immense.

But the success of Pogba has clearly put out the perception that Juve likes young players and give them a chance to play. Even Coman's first game and being a starter sends that message.

Iturbe would have happened if Conte didn't resign when he did. The deal was there but once Conte resigned it went pair shaped and in favour of Roma. I still think they overpaid and we may have a player that we got for free who is younger and just as good.

 

[blacknwhite]

ManUs revenue for 13/14: £433.2M (=~ 540 Mio. EUR)

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ted-plc-2014-Fourth-Quarter-Full#.VBB6APl_vSu


reals revenue for 13/14: 603 Mio. EUR




the question is: will we ever be competitive again? i dont think that we will ever catch up to the top-4/5 (real, barca, manU, Bayern, maybe PSG) again, but we should establish right behind them.

what revenue is predicted for us for 14/15 (without the money of transfers)? and the figures of 13/14?

 

[j0ker]

ManUs revenue for 13/14: £433.2M (=~ 540 Mio. EUR)

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ted-plc-2014-Fourth-Quarter-Full#.VBB6APl_vSu


reals revenue for 13/14: 603 Mio. EUR




the question is: will we ever be competitive again? i dont think that we will ever catch up to the top-4/5 (real, barca, manU, Bayern, maybe PSG) again, but we should establish right behind them.

what revenue is predicted for us for 14/15 (without the money of transfers)? and the figures of 13/14?

13/14 - 315

14/15 - 330

15/16 - 350

 

[petersmit]

Uprising... So we can't complain

 

[blacknwhite]

13/14 - 315

14/15 - 330

15/16 - 350

According to the last financial report updated on juventus.com we made 283 Mio. EUR revenue in 12/13 (without transfers). is it sure we had a revenue increase in the last season 13/14? 283 Mio. -> 300 Mio.?

 

[j0ker]

Results are better than what was expected few months ago.

Exor published half year report and between 01.01. - 30.06. Juve recorded 160m of revenues. In total, for the year 2013/14, Juventus have earned 315m, which is 11,7% (33m) more than what we earned last year. Net debt is 206m.

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According to the last financial report updated on juventus.com we made 283 Mio. EUR revenue in 12/13 (without transfers). is it sure we had a revenue increase in the last season 13/14? 283 Mio. -> 300 Mio.?

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[blacknwhite]

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thx a lot

we do small steps, but we are still improving. that gives hope :theflag:

 

[Hydde]

the question is: will we ever be competitive again? i dont think that we will ever catch up to the top-4/5 (real, barca, manU, Bayern, maybe PSG) again, but we should establish right behind them.

I think i answered this some weeks ago, but ill go at it again.

To answer you: It all depends on what you interpret of competitive .

IMO, competitive for Juventus is to continue the path we are walking, which is to increase our revenue year after year to get to a break even state....and after that work on improving on it. Also to continue doing deals in the line of Pogba, Coman and Morata, while dodging bullet deals like Matri, Quags and Vucinic.

Like you said, and like i said before.... we need to be clear in something: Juventus will never reach the economical power of old ever again...or, not while there exists teams like Madrid and Barca with huge hype , revenue and suspicious deals, or teams owned by filthy rich people who invest in those teams like if they were toys.

We are in a lower league and in a totally different reality, but it doesnt mean that we cannot compete with inteligent business. Yes money can buy you success and players... but is not a foolproof formula to be buying galacticos every year and expect to win everything. We do not need to get to that point to be sucessful.


In Summary, for Juventus to be competitive, they will have to play smart and find great deals of promising players that can turn into WC in the future, while at the same time increasing revenue from merchandising and improving the brand name. As long as our numbers are green, as long as we remain active in the CL showing great performances against much richer teams....we will be okay and stay at the top even when not having the economical power.

Our real problem willl be to keep star players after a couple of years of good performances (Pogba), because we will not be able to meet the offers said players will receive from other teams. That will be our real test of might to stay competitive, and something that we will have to find a workaround.

 

[Knowah]

Where is Dortmund on that list? Where is A. Madrid?

You don't need 600m+ revenue to be successful. You need smart transfer strategy and get young players about to explode, develop them and then build around them. We are doing that with Pogba, Coman, Morata.

By the way, Mandzukic would have been an amazing signing for Juve. Don't know why we didn't grab him. Such a disappointment.

 

[j0ker]

Neither of them are there, that's why Chelsea and Bayern raid them whenever they want.

And yes I understand your point but money is still the most important part. The moment a club comes with a double salary players don't give a shit if you're doing smart business or not.

 

[Red]

By the way, Mandzukic would have been an amazing signing for Juve. Don't know why we didn't grab him.

20m+ (and a pretty big wage, I assume) for a player who isn't compatible with Llorente?

Sounds great.

 

[Knowah]

20m+ (and a pretty big wage, I assume) for a player who isn't compatible with Llorente?

Sounds great.

Then sit Llorente. Mandzukic/Tevez up top would be insanely lethal.

20m for a proven striker with a great goalscoring pedigree is great business in this market.

 

[zizinho]

Where is Dortmund on that list? Where is A. Madrid?

You don't need 600m+ revenue to be successful. You need smart transfer strategy and get young players about to explode, develop them and then build around them. We are doing that with Pogba, Coman, Morata.

By the way, Mandzukic would have been an amazing signing for Juve. Don't know why we didn't grab him. Such a disappointment.

@Hustini Just>So be it>Explodes?

 

[Zacheryah]

Then sit Llorente. Mandzukic/Tevez up top would be insanely lethal.

20m for a proven striker with a great goalscoring pedigree is great business in this market.

Just sit 4.5 mil on the bench ? What, did we suddenly became real madrid ?


And stop underrating Llorente cause dont know a shit about him. Rate him after this season.

 

[Knowah]

@Hustini Just>So be it>Explodes?

Maybe I worded that incorrectly. By "about to explode" I should've said "with a high chance to develop." Good players who have a high ceiling and have the possibility to grow. Coman/Pogba are good examples. I know it isn't that simple but if you look at clubs like A. Madrid, Sporting and Porto. Clubs that grab young players with huge upside on the cheap and then develop them.

Just sit 4.5 mil on the bench ? What, did we suddenly became real madrid ?


And stop underrating Llorente cause dont know a $#@! about him. Rate him after this season.

Perhaps its not as simple as that but perhaps it is. And I "don't know shit about him" because I would bench him over Mandzukic? Mandzukic is a proven goalscorer from a better league (Bundesliga > La Liga), younger, and in his prime. Llorente had a great year last year but he isn't on Mandzukic's level. We'll see what he does after this season, no doubt, but I don't think a 29-year old is suddenly going to up his game to the level that Mandzukic is already at.

In the end, we're all fans armed with only our own opinions on an internet message board about Juventus. You're not in their back office (though I'm sure you think you could be ) so you're opinion has about as much weight as my own.

Again, I'm looking forward to seeing what Llorente can do this year after a full season with us. Exciting times ahead.

 

[Zacheryah]

Well the thing is this. I'm not convinced Mandzukic is better, and IF he is, its gonna be a pretty small margain, whilst i do think Llorente suits us better.
Still IF he is that slightly bit better, why would we invest huge wages and a big transfer, if we have other places we can improve much more ?

Remember, upgrading an excellent player with a slightly more excellent one, is inferior to upgrading a good player to an excellent one.


As it stands, our defence and goalkeeper require all our finances in the near future

 

[Knowah]

Well the thing is this. I'm not convinced Mandzukic is better, and IF he is, its gonna be a pretty small margain, whilst i do think Llorente suits us better.
Still IF he is that slightly bit better, why would we invest huge wages and a big transfer, if we have other places we can improve much more ?

Remember, upgrading an excellent player with a slightly more excellent one, is inferior to upgrading a good player to an excellent one.


As it stands, our defence and goalkeeper require all our finances in the near future

Fair enough. I can agree with that.