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I am not soft with CR, i am just trying to be fair/objective
You should have see my post, defending him at his thread.:toast:
I do believe that some of the managerial decisions were beyond his hand and it is a mistake to blame him, or any other innocent man for that.
I know that his position holds him responsible for that anyway, but i am merciful with the ppl, who are forced to take their bosses blame/mistakes with a big smile on their face, as they turn into the ultimate scapegoats...
I also believe that there are some real reasons/mistakes, CR needs to ask for,
blaming him for everything is not my style of criticism.
An emotional opinion can be easily discredited or even change, when the situation changes in the future. Therefore i insist on blaming him, for the specific parts, that are his confirmed duties alone! Because he can never escape from that, no matter the results.
The guy is working with a handicap and considering that, he has done well,
he is a coward and a loser, but he is at least more open minded than Capello and he can easier adapt to a new situation and improve from there.
(dropping the 4-4-2 with 2 DMs, dropping Neddy for Giovinco, try a CM, even dare to try the trident at times, were all clear indications that he has at least his eyes and ears open. A slow/retarded learner maybe, but still a learner)
I am pleased with that and i am also pleased with the work he has done with the available material.
He could avoid repeating some mistakes, he could have treated some of our youngsters a little better and he should interfere with our strategical disastrous mistakes with more authority, but... he is only CR after all and my realistic expectations didnt ask for anything more than that. Its not like i am soft with him, but i know with who am i dealing with...
On the other hand, the board has done some grave mistakes, they dont seem to learn form their mistakes, they have more influence than CR and those mistakes are critical. I see them as the real threat to our cause right now!!
I believe that if we want to eradicate a problem for good, we should start with rooting out source first! They are the weakest link and the priority of my criticism.
Their faulty decisions expand everywhere and affect our future.
So far they have built nothing and they cant base on the old core forever like leeches, time will come that we have to live without the left overs of the Moggi era and this board has been proved way to inefficient for the job...
Even the loser CR with the triade in his back, would have won us a title at this point!
And finally for Molinaro, i have been a proud hater from day one,
but since the summer it seems that i am way to soft with him.
Thats because of two reasons:
-Molinaro this year has reached the maximum of his potential, at this very point the harm he does in our team, every time we field him, is very limited/minimized, comparing it with the harm he has been doing last year.
Last season, with Moli on the field, it felt like we were playing with 10 players, as he was running up and down, but always out-synced and at the wrong direction. This year, he is at least running at the right direction and thats all i can ask from an extremely limited "player" like himself...
-And the second reason, is concerning our strategical plans and team development, i see limited players like Molinaro, made starters and becoming the core of our team, as a great threat to our plans for a future, competitive Juve. He lacks the necessary talent and basic football skills to ever become Juve material and i see the investment (time on the pitch) on him as a waste of time.
Even if he is now more reliable than he was, his presence is still a threat to our future plans, because with such limited players, we can never accomplish the quality step we are aiming for! So i would sacrifice this minimal reliability, to try out and give chances into more talented players, who would integrate faster than him and have the potential/talent to be a part of a future competitive Juve.
Molinaro presence forbids that possibility!
But it is futile to ask for that as long as CR is our coach, he has a personal reason:money:
imp: 
, which goes beyond Juve's interests and the on the field performances with Molinaro, so i have decided that we have to live with that handicap and i can only hope that this issue will not multiply in other places (Grygera, Marchionni and in a lesser extend Legro) and affects our team even more...
As for Carlo, he he:xmas: , indeed at some cases it seems that we copy each others quotes, but i dont think that he is the only who shares the same concerns/worries with me. Every objective Juve fan and every non- Juve fan would say the same for Molinaro. And the rest of us would have said the same about Moli, if he was a Milan or Inter player...
PS i m very pleased with the Sony Ericsson news!
You should have see my post, defending him at his thread.:toast:
I do believe that some of the managerial decisions were beyond his hand and it is a mistake to blame him, or any other innocent man for that.
I know that his position holds him responsible for that anyway, but i am merciful with the ppl, who are forced to take their bosses blame/mistakes with a big smile on their face, as they turn into the ultimate scapegoats...
I also believe that there are some real reasons/mistakes, CR needs to ask for,
blaming him for everything is not my style of criticism.
An emotional opinion can be easily discredited or even change, when the situation changes in the future. Therefore i insist on blaming him, for the specific parts, that are his confirmed duties alone! Because he can never escape from that, no matter the results.
The guy is working with a handicap and considering that, he has done well,
he is a coward and a loser, but he is at least more open minded than Capello and he can easier adapt to a new situation and improve from there.
(dropping the 4-4-2 with 2 DMs, dropping Neddy for Giovinco, try a CM, even dare to try the trident at times, were all clear indications that he has at least his eyes and ears open. A slow/retarded learner maybe, but still a learner)
I am pleased with that and i am also pleased with the work he has done with the available material.
He could avoid repeating some mistakes, he could have treated some of our youngsters a little better and he should interfere with our strategical disastrous mistakes with more authority, but... he is only CR after all and my realistic expectations didnt ask for anything more than that. Its not like i am soft with him, but i know with who am i dealing with...
On the other hand, the board has done some grave mistakes, they dont seem to learn form their mistakes, they have more influence than CR and those mistakes are critical. I see them as the real threat to our cause right now!!
I believe that if we want to eradicate a problem for good, we should start with rooting out source first! They are the weakest link and the priority of my criticism.
Their faulty decisions expand everywhere and affect our future.
So far they have built nothing and they cant base on the old core forever like leeches, time will come that we have to live without the left overs of the Moggi era and this board has been proved way to inefficient for the job...
Even the loser CR with the triade in his back, would have won us a title at this point!
And finally for Molinaro, i have been a proud hater from day one,
but since the summer it seems that i am way to soft with him.
Thats because of two reasons:
-Molinaro this year has reached the maximum of his potential, at this very point the harm he does in our team, every time we field him, is very limited/minimized, comparing it with the harm he has been doing last year.
Last season, with Moli on the field, it felt like we were playing with 10 players, as he was running up and down, but always out-synced and at the wrong direction. This year, he is at least running at the right direction and thats all i can ask from an extremely limited "player" like himself...
-And the second reason, is concerning our strategical plans and team development, i see limited players like Molinaro, made starters and becoming the core of our team, as a great threat to our plans for a future, competitive Juve. He lacks the necessary talent and basic football skills to ever become Juve material and i see the investment (time on the pitch) on him as a waste of time.
Even if he is now more reliable than he was, his presence is still a threat to our future plans, because with such limited players, we can never accomplish the quality step we are aiming for! So i would sacrifice this minimal reliability, to try out and give chances into more talented players, who would integrate faster than him and have the potential/talent to be a part of a future competitive Juve.
Molinaro presence forbids that possibility!
But it is futile to ask for that as long as CR is our coach, he has a personal reason:money:
imp: , which goes beyond Juve's interests and the on the field performances with Molinaro, so i have decided that we have to live with that handicap and i can only hope that this issue will not multiply in other places (Grygera, Marchionni and in a lesser extend Legro) and affects our team even more...As for Carlo, he he:xmas: , indeed at some cases it seems that we copy each others quotes, but i dont think that he is the only who shares the same concerns/worries with me. Every objective Juve fan and every non- Juve fan would say the same for Molinaro. And the rest of us would have said the same about Moli, if he was a Milan or Inter player...
PS i m very pleased with the Sony Ericsson news!
I do not have such expectations from him, failing to repeat that would prove that it was nothing more, than a random phenomenon.
But personally, i never expected him to insist on a such a low quality "player" like Molinaro...
That proves that CR either lost his touch, or never had it...
His only valid excuse is that some players were imposed to our team by our board.
Or he has a certain personal interest that would benefit him from their presence.
Some coaches are getting paid from some player agents or the players themselves give a part of their salaries to the coach, so that he selects them.
He might have sexual relationships with some of our players.
Or some of them could be relatives with powerful board members, who are able to threaten/intimidate the coach and impose their will.
All these do happen in the world of football and there is a lot more dark interference form managers, sponsors and directors than we know.
CR has always been weak character, vulnerable to external or internal manipulation, he is a coward and a loser, but he is not a fool, he wont dare to defy the will of stronger men...
But personally, i never expected him to insist on a such a low quality "player" like Molinaro...
That proves that CR either lost his touch, or never had it...
His only valid excuse is that some players were imposed to our team by our board.
Or he has a certain personal interest that would benefit him from their presence.
Some coaches are getting paid from some player agents or the players themselves give a part of their salaries to the coach, so that he selects them.
He might have sexual relationships with some of our players.
Or some of them could be relatives with powerful board members, who are able to threaten/intimidate the coach and impose their will.
All these do happen in the world of football and there is a lot more dark interference form managers, sponsors and directors than we know.
CR has always been weak character, vulnerable to external or internal manipulation, he is a coward and a loser, but he is not a fool, he wont dare to defy the will of stronger men...
Sexual relationship? It looks as if you could really believe that this might be true.:burke:
And i dont think Molinaro is paying Ranieri for playing him, although i admit, i cant find a reason why he insisted playing him all of last season. But if he improves next season as much as he did this one, he will be a fine fullback
And i dont think Molinaro is paying Ranieri for playing him, although i admit, i cant find a reason why he insisted playing him all of last season. But if he improves next season as much as he did this one, he will be a fine fullback
thats true ... many fullbacks are wingbacks actually (what i mean to say is, they are even worse defenders than molinaro, but add something to the attack).
adding some bosingwa-style fullback (i know he plays on the right side) would only make us more vulnerable at the back ...without a solid cb partnership
adding some bosingwa-style fullback (i know he plays on the right side) would only make us more vulnerable at the back ...without a solid cb partnership
Improve? What do you mean?? How he can possibly improve??
He has nothing to build from, he cant control the ball, he cant tackle, cant man mark, cant pass, cant dribble, cant cross, cant head the ball, cant shoot. What he could possible offer, that he didnt already offer? How can he ever possible improve from here?? None of his football characteristics has been improved, not even a bit, the lack of basic football skills at this age, means that he will never develop them anyway. We can expect from talented players to gian some exp and discover more efficient ways to use their potential.
We cannot expect someone as untalented as Moli, to ever become a football player, esp at this level!
The only thing that Molinaro is capable of, is using his stamina and make some runs and provide some support onwards, by his presence alone (God forbid, he tries passing, shooting or crossing from there)
Thats the maximum and the minimum anyone can ever expect from Molinaro
and thats why i was so mad on him last here, because the lack of tactical awareness, denied him the the means to provide the only thing, he would ever could offer!
At this season, Moli has been awaken and has finally managed to sync his runs with the rest of our team. I dont know if its due to his ultra-boosted confidence, CR's advice, the increased teamwork of our team that has rather adapted to his style, since they had to live with him and he couldnt adapt to their needs.
But the point is, that minimum i ever asked from Molinaro and it also happens to be the maximum such a limited player would ever offer.
Hopefully (for him, not for us) his age and remarkable endurance, will keep him fit enough, to offer these runs a couple years more,staying at this optimal for his standard level, but when he will start losing the only possible weapon he has, then he will be completely useless again...
Because if running is the only thing he can ever do, what will he do when he cant run anymore?? Cross?
He has nothing to build from, he cant control the ball, he cant tackle, cant man mark, cant pass, cant dribble, cant cross, cant head the ball, cant shoot. What he could possible offer, that he didnt already offer? How can he ever possible improve from here?? None of his football characteristics has been improved, not even a bit, the lack of basic football skills at this age, means that he will never develop them anyway. We can expect from talented players to gian some exp and discover more efficient ways to use their potential.
We cannot expect someone as untalented as Moli, to ever become a football player, esp at this level!
The only thing that Molinaro is capable of, is using his stamina and make some runs and provide some support onwards, by his presence alone (God forbid, he tries passing, shooting or crossing from there)
Thats the maximum and the minimum anyone can ever expect from Molinaro
and thats why i was so mad on him last here, because the lack of tactical awareness, denied him the the means to provide the only thing, he would ever could offer!
At this season, Moli has been awaken and has finally managed to sync his runs with the rest of our team. I dont know if its due to his ultra-boosted confidence, CR's advice, the increased teamwork of our team that has rather adapted to his style, since they had to live with him and he couldnt adapt to their needs.
But the point is, that minimum i ever asked from Molinaro and it also happens to be the maximum such a limited player would ever offer.
Hopefully (for him, not for us) his age and remarkable endurance, will keep him fit enough, to offer these runs a couple years more,staying at this optimal for his standard level, but when he will start losing the only possible weapon he has, then he will be completely useless again...
Because if running is the only thing he can ever do, what will he do when he cant run anymore?? Cross?
Look, I'm not saying Molinaro is good enough to start for Juve or that he is ever likely to be.
However, if you compare the player he is today to the player he was 18 months ago, he has improved at pretty much everything you mention have mentioned.
His defending has massively improved, especially his positioning and concentration. Very few goals we have conceded this season have come down his side (the majority have been balls in behind the defence or crosses from the RB area).
Having improved his defending, the focus in the last 6 months seems to have shifted to improving his passing and crossing. While these are still poor, I think you will find that they are miles better than what they were.
And once he starts to lose his pace, he can move to CB where he will be able to make better use of his outstanding ability to read the game.
However, if you compare the player he is today to the player he was 18 months ago, he has improved at pretty much everything you mention have mentioned.
His defending has massively improved, especially his positioning and concentration. Very few goals we have conceded this season have come down his side (the majority have been balls in behind the defence or crosses from the RB area).
Having improved his defending, the focus in the last 6 months seems to have shifted to improving his passing and crossing. While these are still poor, I think you will find that they are miles better than what they were.
And once he starts to lose his pace, he can move to CB where he will be able to make better use of his outstanding ability to read the game.
The player hasnt been improved, as a football player, he has only synced his sprints... he didnt improve any footballistic skills.
I ve seen trained dogs able to sync their runs like Moli, it was about time...
Defending what defending?? When has Molinaro has actually ever stopped someone?? He is just running along with them trying to harrash them, he never attempts a tackle and never prevents them of stepping in our box, or trying a cross.
Lately, he is never actually there to stop them because of his running forward...
And i disagree most of the goals we have conceded this season were crosses or runs from this flank and Molinaro was never there to stop them...
His defending is not improved, the effectiveness of his runs did, he is uncapable, as a defender to ever stop a winger of achieving his job!
I wont asking from moli to improve anything offensive wise, this is a right that has been denied to him by his birth, i just want him to concentrate on defending,
i am not at all pleased with skills either. Above a LB is a defender and he should start acting like a defender, how can he be a massively improved defender, when he cant actually stop no one.
I dont want a defender who can but cant defend and moli is just that, he cant run and stop an incoming threat and he cant run and cross or provide efficient support forwards. Whats his freakin role? Why is he running?
Last year he was running away from the ball, this year is running along the ball,
but every time he tries to interact with her, smth bad happens...
honestly, i dont see what else are asking from moli to do?
He just cant do anything more than that.
What outstanding ability to read the game?? He improved there, but he is still is the worst player we have on that department, by the time he improves, the rest of the players will become... extraterestrial...
The CB line wasnt funny, it was tragic, a scary thought actually
I ve seen trained dogs able to sync their runs like Moli, it was about time...
Defending what defending?? When has Molinaro has actually ever stopped someone?? He is just running along with them trying to harrash them, he never attempts a tackle and never prevents them of stepping in our box, or trying a cross.
Lately, he is never actually there to stop them because of his running forward...
And i disagree most of the goals we have conceded this season were crosses or runs from this flank and Molinaro was never there to stop them...
His defending is not improved, the effectiveness of his runs did, he is uncapable, as a defender to ever stop a winger of achieving his job!
I wont asking from moli to improve anything offensive wise, this is a right that has been denied to him by his birth, i just want him to concentrate on defending,
i am not at all pleased with skills either. Above a LB is a defender and he should start acting like a defender, how can he be a massively improved defender, when he cant actually stop no one.
I dont want a defender who can but cant defend and moli is just that, he cant run and stop an incoming threat and he cant run and cross or provide efficient support forwards. Whats his freakin role? Why is he running?
Last year he was running away from the ball, this year is running along the ball,
but every time he tries to interact with her, smth bad happens...
honestly, i dont see what else are asking from moli to do?
He just cant do anything more than that.
What outstanding ability to read the game?? He improved there, but he is still is the worst player we have on that department, by the time he improves, the rest of the players will become... extraterestrial...
The CB line wasnt funny, it was tragic, a scary thought actually
yes he has improved and he does now use his "skills" for the better of the team... he does make the runs and that is fine and before all he does not try to cross every time he gets the ball and that is a great improvement... and being a molinaro-hater cronios surely forgot that he did have at least 2 situations where he did break through the defense on the left side and made a nice low pass that could have been an assist ... if the other player would have got the shot right (i think one time del piero slipped and the other time there shot went wide).
if molinaro does only pass low then he can be effective, because low passes have a smaller chance to reach the target in the box, but when they do its often a very good scoring opportunity
if molinaro does only pass low then he can be effective, because low passes have a smaller chance to reach the target in the box, but when they do its often a very good scoring opportunity
The player hasnt been improved, as a football player, he has only synced his sprints... he didnt improve any footballistic skills.
I ve seen trained dogs able to sync their runs like Moli, it was about time...
Defending what defending?? When has Molinaro has actually ever stopped someone?? He is just running along with them trying to harrash them, he never attempts a tackle and never prevents them of stepping in our box, or trying a cross.
Lately, he is never actually there to stop them because of his running forward...
And i disagree most of the goals we have conceded this season were crosses or runs from this flank and Molinaro was never there to stop them...
His defending is not improved, the effectiveness of his runs did, he is uncapable, as a defender to ever stop a winger of achieving his job!
I wont asking from moli to improve anything offensive wise, this is a right that has been denied to him by his birth, i just want him to concentrate on defending,
i am not at all pleased with skills either. Above a LB is a defender and he should start acting like a defender, how can he be a massively improved defender, when he cant actually stop no one.
I dont want a defender who can but cant defend and moli is just that, he cant run and stop an incoming threat and he cant run and cross or provide efficient support forwards. Whats his freakin role? Why is he running?
Last year he was running away from the ball, this year is running along the ball,
but every time he tries to interact with her, smth bad happens...
honestly, i dont see what else are asking from moli to do?
He just cant do anything more than that.
What outstanding ability to read the game?? He improved there, but he is still is the worst player we have on that department, by the time he improves, the rest of the players will become... extraterestrial...
The CB line wasnt funny, it was tragic, a scary thought actually
I ve seen trained dogs able to sync their runs like Moli, it was about time...
Defending what defending?? When has Molinaro has actually ever stopped someone?? He is just running along with them trying to harrash them, he never attempts a tackle and never prevents them of stepping in our box, or trying a cross.
Lately, he is never actually there to stop them because of his running forward...
And i disagree most of the goals we have conceded this season were crosses or runs from this flank and Molinaro was never there to stop them...
His defending is not improved, the effectiveness of his runs did, he is uncapable, as a defender to ever stop a winger of achieving his job!
I wont asking from moli to improve anything offensive wise, this is a right that has been denied to him by his birth, i just want him to concentrate on defending,
i am not at all pleased with skills either. Above a LB is a defender and he should start acting like a defender, how can he be a massively improved defender, when he cant actually stop no one.
I dont want a defender who can but cant defend and moli is just that, he cant run and stop an incoming threat and he cant run and cross or provide efficient support forwards. Whats his freakin role? Why is he running?
Last year he was running away from the ball, this year is running along the ball,
but every time he tries to interact with her, smth bad happens...
honestly, i dont see what else are asking from moli to do?
He just cant do anything more than that.
What outstanding ability to read the game?? He improved there, but he is still is the worst player we have on that department, by the time he improves, the rest of the players will become... extraterestrial...
The CB line wasnt funny, it was tragic, a scary thought actually
you are exaggerating way too much..... He is not burdisso or rivas of inter.
Moli used to suck but lately he's done more than ok... our weakest link this season is grygera NOT molinaro..
molinaro's defense has improved substantially and he gives his 100% every match... His runs upfront are not bad.. his crosses are what suck...
Moli needs to learn how to make good crosses and he'll be a good full back.
