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how far pre-partition are we talking? and which partition are we talking? is bangladesh not pakistan? you re looking at athis from a pretty nationalistic point of view. My intent was not to offend pakistanis but rather, as melo said, theres really no contest here. Sure india has its share of problems, but its brain trust and relatively booming economy has propelled them some light years in development ahead of the islamic republic.
By that logic no nation should separate from the other, let's not pretend we live in an Utopian world, shall we?
Fact is Pakistan wasn't created for you or Deneb so with all due respect ya'll go can go fuck yourselves. As for the blame for the bloodshed that occurred as a result of partition lies on none other than Mountbatten, Nehru, and Gandhi. Many lives could have been saved if it wasn't for the arrogance and stubbornness of the three. They purposely hurried the proceedings of the partition in hopes that Pakistan would fail within months and that Jinnah would come begging to be taken back into union. It was also their fault for not addressing the needs and concerns of the Sikh community. In any case, it was my forefathers that died and I didn't ask any of you shed a tear for them so I really don't get the needless expression of sorrow.
Fact is that after centuries of being ruled by others, which included Muslims, the Hindu's were facing the chance of self-rule for the first time in a long long time. This is no small thing and this psyche was a huge factor on how everything played out and how some of the decisions were made around this time. The British Cabinet Mission, responsible for the transfer of power, drew up a proposal where provinces would be divided up into majority Hindu & majority Muslim. This way the Muslims of India would be assured that they would have an equal say in the new nation. Initially the Congress agreed to this but then went back on their word. Nehru & Gandhi had their own agenda and weren't willing to concede an inch of their 'vision'.
Read this excerpt from The Agony of Pakistan by Sir Chaudry Zafrulla Khan:
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"Congress obduracy thus compelled the British Prime Minister, however reluctantly, to contemplate the possibility of partition."
So as you see, contrary to popular belief that Pakistan was created as a result of Muslim India insisting a nation of its own is a myth. The British and the Muslim League tried its best to get all parties at the table but Nehru & Gandhi were obtuse and power hungry that wanted an India as they saw it.
Do your homework before you weeping about an issue that was never yours and one that doesn't affect you. I understand the bourgeois need to be able to tell friends that you drank some 'lovely chai' along the banks of the Ravi river or the fascination with riding a camel along the shores of Karachi while taking in the breathtaking view of the city in a United India but partition was hardly going to be prevented to facilitate or please you lot.
Coming back to the claim that India is superior to Pakistan. It's just bad taste to come into a Desi thread and try to stir shit up. We get along in here and believe it or not most of us try to avoid this subject because we know it won't get us anywhere and will only lead to fights. I don't see you guys going into the Balkan thread and doing this so why do you do it here? It's pathetic really.
I don't wish ill on Indians and I'm happy for their success and I also know these things work in cycles. One day Pakistan will free itself of its evils and live up to its potential and the fulfill the image our founder and my forefathers had. Its evils which everyone knows to be Islamic Fundamentalism, which ironically came from 'Muslims' who were staunch resistors of the partition (read about Deobandi & Ahrari viewpoints on the partition) and only came to Pakistan years after its creation. Again...do your homework.
Fact is Pakistan wasn't created for you or Deneb so with all due respect ya'll go can go fuck yourselves. As for the blame for the bloodshed that occurred as a result of partition lies on none other than Mountbatten, Nehru, and Gandhi. Many lives could have been saved if it wasn't for the arrogance and stubbornness of the three. They purposely hurried the proceedings of the partition in hopes that Pakistan would fail within months and that Jinnah would come begging to be taken back into union. It was also their fault for not addressing the needs and concerns of the Sikh community. In any case, it was my forefathers that died and I didn't ask any of you shed a tear for them so I really don't get the needless expression of sorrow.
Fact is that after centuries of being ruled by others, which included Muslims, the Hindu's were facing the chance of self-rule for the first time in a long long time. This is no small thing and this psyche was a huge factor on how everything played out and how some of the decisions were made around this time. The British Cabinet Mission, responsible for the transfer of power, drew up a proposal where provinces would be divided up into majority Hindu & majority Muslim. This way the Muslims of India would be assured that they would have an equal say in the new nation. Initially the Congress agreed to this but then went back on their word. Nehru & Gandhi had their own agenda and weren't willing to concede an inch of their 'vision'.
Read this excerpt from The Agony of Pakistan by Sir Chaudry Zafrulla Khan:
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"Congress obduracy thus compelled the British Prime Minister, however reluctantly, to contemplate the possibility of partition."
So as you see, contrary to popular belief that Pakistan was created as a result of Muslim India insisting a nation of its own is a myth. The British and the Muslim League tried its best to get all parties at the table but Nehru & Gandhi were obtuse and power hungry that wanted an India as they saw it.
Do your homework before you weeping about an issue that was never yours and one that doesn't affect you. I understand the bourgeois need to be able to tell friends that you drank some 'lovely chai' along the banks of the Ravi river or the fascination with riding a camel along the shores of Karachi while taking in the breathtaking view of the city in a United India but partition was hardly going to be prevented to facilitate or please you lot.
Coming back to the claim that India is superior to Pakistan. It's just bad taste to come into a Desi thread and try to stir shit up. We get along in here and believe it or not most of us try to avoid this subject because we know it won't get us anywhere and will only lead to fights. I don't see you guys going into the Balkan thread and doing this so why do you do it here? It's pathetic really.
I don't wish ill on Indians and I'm happy for their success and I also know these things work in cycles. One day Pakistan will free itself of its evils and live up to its potential and the fulfill the image our founder and my forefathers had. Its evils which everyone knows to be Islamic Fundamentalism, which ironically came from 'Muslims' who were staunch resistors of the partition (read about Deobandi & Ahrari viewpoints on the partition) and only came to Pakistan years after its creation. Again...do your homework.
By that logic no nation should separate from the other, let's not pretend we live in an Utopian world, shall we?
Fact is Pakistan wasn't created for you or Deneb so with all due respect ya'll go can go fuck yourselves. As for the blame for the bloodshed that occurred as a result of partition lies on none other than Mountbatten, Nehru, and Gandhi. Many lives could have been saved if it wasn't for the arrogance and stubbornness of the three. They purposely hurried the proceedings of the partition in hopes that Pakistan would fail within months and that Jinnah would come begging to be taken back into union. It was also their fault for not addressing the needs and concerns of the Sikh community. In any case, it was my forefathers that died and I didn't ask any of you shed a tear for them so I really don't get the needless expression of sorrow.
Fact is that after centuries of being ruled by others, which included Muslims, the Hindu's were facing the chance of self-rule for the first time in a long long time. This is no small thing and this psyche was a huge factor on how everything played out and how some of the decisions were made around this time. The British Cabinet Mission, responsible for the transfer of power, drew up a proposal where provinces would be divided up into majority Hindu & majority Muslim. This way the Muslims of India would be assured that they would have an equal say in the new nation. Initially the Congress agreed to this but then went back on their word. Nehru & Gandhi had their own agenda and weren't willing to concede an inch of their 'vision'.
Read this excerpt from The Agony of Pakistan by Sir Chaudry Zafrulla Khan:
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"Congress obduracy thus compelled the British Prime Minister, however reluctantly, to contemplate the possibility of partition."
So as you see, contrary to popular belief that Pakistan was created as a result of Muslim India insisting a nation of its own is a myth. The British and the Muslim League tried its best to get all parties at the table but Nehru & Gandhi were obtuse and power hungry that wanted an India as they saw it.
Do your homework before you weeping about an issue that was never yours and one that doesn't affect you. I understand the bourgeois need to be able to tell friends that you drank some 'lovely chai' along the banks of the Ravi river or the fascination with riding a camel along the shores of Karachi while taking in the breathtaking view of the city in a United India but partition was hardly going to be prevented to facilitate or please you lot.
Coming back to the claim that India is superior to Pakistan. It's just bad taste to come into a Desi thread and try to stir shit up. We get along in here and believe it or not most of us try to avoid this subject because we know it won't get us anywhere and will only lead to fights. I don't see you guys going into the Balkan thread and doing this so why do you do it here? It's pathetic really.
I don't wish ill on Indians and I'm happy for their success and I also know these things work in cycles. One day Pakistan will free itself of its evils and live up to its potential and the fulfill the image our founder and my forefathers had. Its evils which everyone knows to be Islamic Fundamentalism, which ironically came from 'Muslims' who were staunch resistors of the partition (read about Deobandi & Ahrari viewpoints on the partition) and only came to Pakistan years after its creation. Again...do your homework.
Fact is Pakistan wasn't created for you or Deneb so with all due respect ya'll go can go fuck yourselves. As for the blame for the bloodshed that occurred as a result of partition lies on none other than Mountbatten, Nehru, and Gandhi. Many lives could have been saved if it wasn't for the arrogance and stubbornness of the three. They purposely hurried the proceedings of the partition in hopes that Pakistan would fail within months and that Jinnah would come begging to be taken back into union. It was also their fault for not addressing the needs and concerns of the Sikh community. In any case, it was my forefathers that died and I didn't ask any of you shed a tear for them so I really don't get the needless expression of sorrow.
Fact is that after centuries of being ruled by others, which included Muslims, the Hindu's were facing the chance of self-rule for the first time in a long long time. This is no small thing and this psyche was a huge factor on how everything played out and how some of the decisions were made around this time. The British Cabinet Mission, responsible for the transfer of power, drew up a proposal where provinces would be divided up into majority Hindu & majority Muslim. This way the Muslims of India would be assured that they would have an equal say in the new nation. Initially the Congress agreed to this but then went back on their word. Nehru & Gandhi had their own agenda and weren't willing to concede an inch of their 'vision'.
Read this excerpt from The Agony of Pakistan by Sir Chaudry Zafrulla Khan:
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"Congress obduracy thus compelled the British Prime Minister, however reluctantly, to contemplate the possibility of partition."
So as you see, contrary to popular belief that Pakistan was created as a result of Muslim India insisting a nation of its own is a myth. The British and the Muslim League tried its best to get all parties at the table but Nehru & Gandhi were obtuse and power hungry that wanted an India as they saw it.
Do your homework before you weeping about an issue that was never yours and one that doesn't affect you. I understand the bourgeois need to be able to tell friends that you drank some 'lovely chai' along the banks of the Ravi river or the fascination with riding a camel along the shores of Karachi while taking in the breathtaking view of the city in a United India but partition was hardly going to be prevented to facilitate or please you lot.
Coming back to the claim that India is superior to Pakistan. It's just bad taste to come into a Desi thread and try to stir shit up. We get along in here and believe it or not most of us try to avoid this subject because we know it won't get us anywhere and will only lead to fights. I don't see you guys going into the Balkan thread and doing this so why do you do it here? It's pathetic really.
I don't wish ill on Indians and I'm happy for their success and I also know these things work in cycles. One day Pakistan will free itself of its evils and live up to its potential and the fulfill the image our founder and my forefathers had. Its evils which everyone knows to be Islamic Fundamentalism, which ironically came from 'Muslims' who were staunch resistors of the partition (read about Deobandi & Ahrari viewpoints on the partition) and only came to Pakistan years after its creation. Again...do your homework.
since you took the gloves off, whats really pathetic is that you would take this to heart so much, so i wont tell you to 'respectfully go fuck yourself', but hoefully one day you wont be as naive.
