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    from this website:

    It has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")

    Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.

    Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

    1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
    2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
    3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
    4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
    5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
    6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."


    As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

    1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

    2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

    3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

    4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

    5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

    6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.


    Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

    Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.
     
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    heres another one:

    "At the end of the last century, the Jewish organizations consolidated a hellish plan to take over the world by sparking revolutions or taking control of the keys to governments in various countries, first and foremost the US and Russia."

    "At the beginning of the twentieth century, the goal of the Russians, and with them the Jews and their global organizations, was to topple Russian imperialism, which they considered antisemitic. To this end, the Jewish organizations across the world sought to create a Jewish socialist system. Most of this system's leaders were Jews, and they financed the Russian Revolution, which if truth be told was more of a Jewish revolution than a Russian one. This revolution's main financier was the well-known Jewish capitalist Jacob Schiff of New York."

    "The Jewish sense of superiority is typified by hypocrisy and zeal… The Jews are incapable of actualizing their influence and control for a simple reason, and that is that they are a demographic minority in every society in the world. For this reason, the Jews are trying by means of their trickery to weaken the national identity [of the non-Jews] and thus take over affairs and direct them to serve their interests. This is obvious everywhere in the world where there is a large community, both in Arab societies and in American society, such as the European-American community or African-American and even among the Muslims in the Arab world, where the Jews act by means of their control of the media, politics, and the economy in order to weaken the non-Jewish groups and bring about their disintegration, in order to secure their goals. How is this carried out?"

    "It is carried out by the principle of 'divide and rule.' The Jewish zealots fear, and fight, any racial non-Jewish coalition. In the Western countries, the Jews fight all the organizations attempting to safeguard European interests and tradition. In the non-European countries, the Jews constantly act to fracture and weaken the coalitions and the homogeneity of the main racial groups."

    "In America, for example, the Jews did not act merely to weaken the homogeneity and the coalition of European-Americans, but also fought other coalitions, such as the black national movement, the Nation of Islam, and other movements. All these African-American organizations wanted was to preserve the traditions that they had lost in the multicultural society – but the Jews, due to their well-known sense of superiority, did not want anyone besides themselves to preserve their traditions and collective interests. Therefore, they always try to make other societies feel guilty, even about their pride in their culture. They present this interest and sense of pride in the culture of those non-Jewish organizations as a racist tendency."

    "The Jews also act to weaken loyalties and other coalitions by using an expression that has been made familiar by the Jewish media to describe these organizations: antisemitism. This charge serves two goals. First, it reinforces the [Jewish] connections across the world, thus obtaining support for the State of Israel. Second, this expression incites anyone not Jewish to collective hatred of the Jews, thus preventing the Jews from assimilating into other peoples."

    "Let us take an example of the hypocrisy of the zealous Jews [regarding] intermarriage between the Jewish race and other races. During President George W. Bush's election campaign, Bush found himself subject to great media criticism because he gave a lecture at the Bob Jones [University], which is opposed to the principle of intermarriage. The contradiction is that every Jewish synagogue in America and every leading Jewish organization in America fights Jewish intermarriage. What is strange is that the media has never addressed this well-known fact, and never mentioned this duplicity at all – in a society that one assumes enjoys freedom of speech such as American society."

    "When we realize that the American media is controlled by the Jews, we are no longer surprised. Presenting this obvious fact does not suit Jewish interests, and damages the Jews' relations and interests with the American people. For this reason, it is concealed, as are the daily Jewish crimes against the Palestinians."

    "On the other hand, we now find books and films, most of them written and produced by zealous Jewish hands, condemning any racial movement that is not Jewish. At the same time, only a very few books have dared to write against Jewish racism. Since the big publishing houses are at the mercy of the Jews, only a few of these are published – and if they are published, their distribution is extremely small… If these Jewish zealots were credible, they should have written about the Jewish racism they know so well."

    "After discussing the global Jewish agenda and the well-known Jewish policy of divide and rule, let us conclude this limited study about Jewish racism and their sense of superiority with another tactic of the Jews, one no less important than what we have already mentioned. This is the policy of silencing those opposed to and critical of the Jews and their racism."

    "The arrogance and tyranny of the Jews, who manage to hide it from the Western public, has reached such proportions that anyone who talks about them, their hegemony, and their racism knows that he will pay a high price. In America, for example, anyone who dares to talk about this in public has his good name smeared in the media, and declares bankruptcy if he works in commerce. If he is an official, he loses his job. When anyone dares to state a fact that does not please the Jews or does not suit their interests, the Jews' methods of silencing him range from threats to physical harm, in addition to damaging his capital and transferring him to the rolls of the unemployed if he is an official or a businessman. If he is a politician, he is completely done for, and is flung aside. This task is being carried out by the Jewish media, the Jewish lobby, and the Jewish defense team, which always accuses its adversaries of intolerance towards other ethnic, religious, and racial groups."

    "If only it would end with accusations against their [the Jews'] critics. But the situation is worse than that. The Jewish zealots, with their great monetary, media, and political influence, can have them imprisoned. The Jewish zealots have already managed to jail many of their critics in many European countries –perhaps because they are incapable, at the moment, of assassinating anyone who criticizes them and exposes their racism in the countries of the West. But they are capable of silencing him in other ways. Anyone who desires to present the words of the racist Jewish leaders as testimony finds himself in prison – this is due to their influence. The Jews do not leave out any charge they can fabricate so as to leave anyone who has dared to speak the truth behind prison bars for many long years."

    "What we say is happening [in reality] is hundreds of those who deviated from the outline laid out by the Jews, and who dared to go beyond the red lines drawn for them, find themselves behind bars. These red lines are none other than saying and exposing the truth – something in which the Jews are not interested. [In the prisons] there are hundreds of people who spoke of the Holocaust and exposed the truth about falsified Jewish propaganda."

    "In conclusion, the reader is likely to wonder about the extent of the Jews' control … So as to prove our words, we will not address Jewish control of the media in Western countries, primarily in the US… but we will give an example of the Jews' infiltration and control of the top positions in the American administration. This control aroused astonishment in the days of the Clinton administration…: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, FBI chief George Tenet, Defense Secretary William Cohen, Clinton's national security advisor Sandy Berger – all Jews. Through this infiltration of the various American administrations, and through controlling the media and money, the Jews impose their agenda on the other peoples, and the Jewish sense of superiority, whose aim is to recruit the peoples and their resources for the good of Jewish interests and their racist state Israel, remain unchanged."
     

    Badass J Elkann

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    from this website:

    It has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")

    Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.

    Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

    1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
    2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
    3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
    4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
    5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
    6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."


    As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

    1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

    2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

    3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

    4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

    5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

    6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.


    Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

    Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.
    and isnt it ironic how jesus was jewish, so it was like a jew killing another jew, and pissing off 3/4 of the world.

    who has heard this conspiracy story. apperently the jews are getting together and because alot of them are at the top of these big banks, they are getting together and planning to take ove the world.
    ah well the jews were forced into accountency as its against the beliefs of the religion back in the middle ages, and obviously it was a punishment that backfired ever since
     
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    and isnt it ironic how jesus was jewish, so it was like a jew killing another jew, and pissing off 3/4 of the world.



    ah well the jews were forced into accountency as its against the beliefs of the religion back in the middle ages, and obviously it was a punishment that backfired ever since
    jesus probably didnt die a jew.
     

    Badass J Elkann

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    not really mate, theres many of them and the romans just re-wrote with whatever "creative" idea hit their head
    and its those creative ideas that has evolved religion over the centuries into conflict with one another.

    whos to say jesus even existed, i mean we're just reading out of a text book really. for all i know jesus never existed, he was really called bob and he was actually a baker and he was black.
     

    Eddy

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    and its those creative ideas that has evolved religion over the centuries into conflict with one another.

    whos to say jesus even existed, i mean we're just reading out of a text book really. for all i know jesus never existed, he was really called bob and he was really a baker and he was black.
    if thats the idea, then it goes the same way for moses, all the way to muhammed.

    religion is man and man is religion.
     

    Badass J Elkann

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    if thats the idea, then it goes the same way for moses, all the way to muhammed.

    religion is man and man is religion.
    well exactly. its stories handed down in time mouth to mouth biased perceptions and ideas. and thats what i find truely pathetic about these religious wars, what was it actually all for? and in the name of actally what? a fairly tale?
     

    Zé Tahir

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    lol, this is the perfect time to insert this. From a Swedish stand-up comedian:

    Another type of people that are really whiny, aren't they the jews? I mean honestly... 'Have pity on us...please have pity on us' Of course we feel pity on you but we feel pity on everyone, right? 'But have more pity on us, have more pity on us!!' Ethnic cleansning on the Balkans..no one gives a damn about it...1 million Cambodians killed in the 70's, no one gives a damn.. 'But have pity on us!' Yea but it was 60 years ago! Damn, get over it already... And you can't even criticize Israel...they're building a wall that's making the Berlin Wall look like a tiny fence...but no, you can't criticize because then you're being 'anti-semetic' even if Jews themselves say anything they get called self-hating Jews...What the hell is going on here? Have you ever heard of anyone Cambodian being called an anti-Cambodian..ever?? No! But of course they should have their own country, I agree with that. But why the hell do they do they create it where people are already living?? Put it in Greenland, not even I give a damn about them...I mean they're eskimo's....18 Chinese Danes...but the Jews reasoning as to why their country should be where it is, is that 'we were here first!' But it was 2000 years ago!! Talk about living in the past! I mean..should be turn back everything 2000 years? Then you'll get 3 freakin happy Native Americans who'll be like "Damn look at all this space we just got"
    My translation probably doesn't do it justice, but it was hilarious :lol2:

     

    Eddy

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    well exactly. its stories handed down in time mouth to mouth biased perceptions and ideas. and thats what i find truely pathetic about these religious wars, what was it actually all for? and in the name of actally what? a fairly tale?
    To be honest, what you questioned right now was pretty powerful...

    I think of it this way. Jesus's story was fascinating. Brilliant, epic in it's words, and the tragedies in the end were hardfully emotional for anyone to take. For such a kind man that is the definition of "Love" and "Peace". Hmm, I wouldnt know who would write such a thing,I wonder if Shakespeare at that time could even think of such a beautiful story as this.

    Now here's what I think. I think of it as some unknown author who had just released the #1 best-selling book of the century.

    And then a person comes along, amazed by this inspiring story, touched by the insanity, and in some nomadic way, dont ask me how, turns Jesus into a god.

    For all I know, Jesus could have been the author of the book.
     
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