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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

It's a known fact that jews (most) are extremists

i have many jewish friends

I thought you hated extremists......

How do you mean unnatural? Do you really think this world would be any different without religion?

Since you're a South Park fan, which I also am btw: have you seen this episode? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go_XII. It reflected my opinion on hating religion in a brilliant way.

Yea, I've seen that shit.

you're asking badass if jews are extremists when he's a jew ?

True. Good point.

It is humanity that has made religion what it is today . Not vice versa .

NOT! Religion made humanity how it is. Look at every Mid-Eastern state. They are all, well many, are Islamic based governments that treat others as unequals (women) for the sole basis of religion.

I agree with you on that.

But have you seen the South Park episode I referred to?

DA!

If not religion , then there would be other kinds of other extremists ..

Yea, like the X-GAMES!

tbh i really does annoy me when prople rip on jews all the time. they've been persecuted for over 2,000 years. there is a lot of hate towards jews still, even in england.

Word....

and when we remove more and more of those concepts, it gets better and better..

We'll start with one. Religion.

I hereby desecree a law that will ban every religion, sect, ritualising and other forms of communication to it's so called "god" BANNED!

I wish this was real.

yeah but then people are stupid to pick on jews as i could probably garantee that most people have jewish descendants of some sort

I do....

isnt that chunk from the goonies lol.

Yea, Andy has never even seen that movie.

i call it jelously of the fact that jews are seen as intelligent people with good jobs and money

Maybe, but it's more a stereotype.

Although in 1999, 97% of the New York diamond market was controlled by Jews.

with my superman t shirt! :toast:

Yea, I think that just is you.

from this website:

It has been said that the history of almost all of the Jewish holidays can be summed up succinctly: "They wanted to kill us; we won. Let's eat." Why has anti-Semitism been so pervasive in so many countries, in so many time periods and for so many reasons? (One begins to wonder. Perhaps there is something wrong with the Jews and Judaism? After all, there is an old Yiddish saying -- "If one person calls you a donkey, ignore him; if two people call you a donkey, buy a saddle.")

Between the years 250 CE and 1948 CE - a period of 1,700 years - Jews have experienced more than eighty expulsions from various countries in Europe - an average of nearly one expulsion every twenty-one years. Jews were expelled from England, France, Austria, Germany, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, Bohemia, Moravia and seventy-one other countries.

Historians have classified six explanations as to why people hate the Jews:

1. Economic -- "We hate Jews because they possess too much wealth and power."
2. Chosen People -- "We hate Jews because they arrogantly claim that they are the chosen people."
3. Scapegoat -- "Jews are a convenient group to single out and blame for our troubles."
4. Deicide -- "We hate Jews because they killed Jesus."
5. Outsiders, -- "We hate Jews because they are different than us." (The dislike of the unlike.)
6. Racial Theory -- "We hate Jews because they are an inferior race."


As we examine the explanations, we must ask -- Are they the causes for anti-Semitism or excuses for Anti-Semitism? The difference? If one takes away the cause, then anti-Semitism should no longer exist. If one can show a contradiction to the explanation, it demonstrates that the "cause" is not a reason, it is just an excuse. Let's look at some contradictions:

1. Economic -- The Jews of 17th- 20th century Poland and Russia were dirt poor, had no influence and yet they were hated.

2. Chosen People -- a) In the late 19th century, the Jews of Germany denied "Choseness." And then they worked on assimilation. Yet, the holocaust started there. b) Christians and Moslems profess to being the "Chosen people," yet, the world and the anti-Semites tolerate them.

3. Scapegoat -- Any group must already be hated to be an effective scapegoat. The Scapegoat Theory does not then cause anti-Semitism. Rather, anti-Semitism is what makes the Jews a convenient scapegoat target. Hitler's ranting and ravings would not be taken seriously if he said, "It's the bicycle riders and the midgets who are destroying our society."

4. Deicide -- a) the Christian Bible says the Romans killed Jesus, though Jews are mentioned as accomplices (claims that Jews killed Jesus came several hundred years later). How come the accomplices are persecuted and there isn't an anti-Roman movement through history? b) Jesus himself said, "Forgive them [i.e., the Jews], for they know not what they do." The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. Neither statement of Christian belief lessened anti-Semitism.

5. Outsiders -- With the Enlightenment in the late 18th century, many Jews rushed to assimilate. Anti-Semitism should have stopped. Instead, for example, with the Nazis came the cry, in essence: "We hate you, not because you're different, but because you're trying to become like us! We cannot allow you to infect the Aryan race with your inferior genes."

6. Racial Theory -- The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.


Every other hated group is hated for a relatively defined reason. We Jews, however, are hated in paradoxes: Jews are hated for being a lazy and inferior race - but also for dominating the economy and taking over the world. We are hated for stubbornly maintaining our separateness - and, when we do assimilate - for posing a threat to racial purity through intermarriages. We are seen as pacifists and as warmongers; as capitalist exploiters and as revolutionary communists; possessed of a Chosen-People mentality, as well as of an inferiority complex. It seems that we just can't win.

Now we know what are NOT the reasons for anti-Semitism.

Nice post.

this maybe a biased view as it is from a rabbii.

The post I quoted above, or you are?

or a black man calling another black man NIGGER!

YOU DIRTY LEFTY ARAB NIGGER LOVER!

is that what the bible says? because as i understood it it was his disciples after his death that created the following which was later accepted as a religion

Well, that is true about later Christianity took hold. It's like the old trick question i love.

"How many popes were Jewish?" Most people say none....

the answer is "one" as Pope Peter I was a disciple of Jesus and was Jewish.

not really mate, theres many of them and the romans just re-wrote with whatever "creative" idea hit their head

First council of Nicea.

and its those creative ideas that has evolved religion over the centuries into conflict with one another.

whos to say jesus even existed, i mean we're just reading out of a text book really. for all i know jesus never existed, he was really called bob and he was actually a baker and he was black.

The only thing you said there that is right is the fact that Jesus was black.

if thats the idea, then it goes the same way for moses, all the way to muhammed.

religion is man and man is religion.

Well, the fact is, Man created God and religion because he needed a reason to not be alone, because man's greatest fear is being alone. What if there is no God, people would be so scared.

well exactly. its stories handed down in time mouth to mouth biased perceptions and ideas. and thats what i find truely pathetic about these religious wars, what was it actually all for? and in the name of actally what? a fairly tale?

Going to war over religion is like going to war over whose imaginary friend is better.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

To be honest, what you questioned right now was pretty powerful...

I think of it this way. Jesus's story was fascinating. Brilliant, epic in it's words, and the tragedies in the end were hardfully emotional for anyone to take. For such a kind man that is the definition of "Love" and "Peace". Hmm, I wouldnt know who would write such a thing,I wonder if Shakespeare at that time could even think of such a beautiful story as this.

Now here's what I think. I think of it as some unknown author who had just released the #1 best-selling book of the century.

And then a person comes along, amazed by this inspiring story, touched by the insanity, and in some nomadic way, dont ask me how, turns Jesus into a god.

For all I know, Jesus could have been the author of the book.

well when you read back on the old and new testiment and read the things people have done ie moses and the plagues on the egyptians, jesus walking on water, etc... im sorry to say but i find that very hard to believe i mean nobody could do that now, unless they were the ancient version of david blane or it was just a coincidence that the tide was low enough for jesus to walk on, a boil plague was in egypt at the time, moses actually climbed up mount sinai and collected the 10 commandments

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

lol, this is the perfect time to insert this. From a Swedish stand-up comedian:



My translation probably doesn't do it justice, but it was hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydeg2HLEgS4

That is pretty funny.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Originally Posted by Badass Devil View Post
i call it jelously of the fact that jews are seen as intelligent people with good jobs and money

burke posted -
Maybe, but it's more a stereotype.

Although in 1999, 97% of the New York diamond market was controlled by Jews.


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thats what im saying, alot of people stereotype the jews

 

[Eddy]

jesus walking on water, etc... im sorry to say but i find that very hard to believe i mean nobody could do that now,

Well Jesus himself stated it wasn't based on a true story (nor what is written in the Bible) and obviously, he never really walked on water.

Chill out man, its just a novel. Enjoy it while you can. His book was "sold-out" immediately and is roughly translated in more than 50 languages! Unfortunately, people now worship him for his book and he is now labelled a god and has more than one billion followers.

I wish I was Jesus.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

See, the funny thing about stereotypes is....they are true.

If they weren't, they wouldn't be stereotypes.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Well Jesus himself stated it wasn't based on a true story (nor what is written in the Bible) and obviously, he never really walked on water.

Chill out man, its just a novel. Enjoy it while you can. His book was "sold-out" immediately and is roughly translated in more than 50 languages! Unfortunately, people now worship him for his book and he is now labelled a god and has more than one billion followers.

Yea, Jesus was a regular guy, just as The Mo-hammer was.

I wish I was Jesus.

I do too, so you could tell everyone you were a lying cheat, you were black, and say that all of your true followers would live in Antarctica and eat only the fingers of their children.

Now that shit would be phat.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Well Jesus himself stated it wasn't based on a true story (nor what is written in the Bible) and obviously, he never really walked on water.

Chill out man, its just a novel. Enjoy it while you can. His book was "sold-out" immediately and is roughly translated in more than 50 languages! Unfortunately, people now worship him for his book and he is now labelled a god and has more than one billion followers.

I wish I was Jesus.

no jesus wishes he was chriss angel

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQLq2VmZcA

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Is that the vid of his flying around like a cock sucker?

 

[Eddy]

I wish this was real.

As would I

YOU DIRTY LEFTY ARAB NIGGER LOVER!

First council of Nicea.

Yes!

Well, the fact is, Man created God and religion because he needed a reason to not be alone, because man's greatest fear is being alone. What if there is no God, people would be so scared.

Don't go all religious on me now.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Is that the vid of his flying around like a cock sucker?

nah where hes walking on water

 

[Eddy]

Yea, Jesus was a regular guy, just as The Mo-hammer was.

I bet you, if there was a place to chill and relax after you die, Muhammed and Jesus would propably be drinking and partying shouting "WERE LEGENDARY! WERE LEGENDS" to one another while drinking Al Maza and Schmaltz

 

[Eddy]

I do too, so you could tell everyone you were a lying cheat, you were black, and say that all of your true followers would live in Antarctica and eat only the fingers of their children.

Now that shit would be phat.

How cool would that be.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

nah where hes walking on water

i hate that little chanker neo-goth bastard so much.

I bet you, if there was a place to chill and relax after you die, Muhammed and Jesus would propably be drinking and partying shouting "WERE LEGENDARY! WERE LEGENDS" to one another while drinking Al Maza and Schmaltz

And Nikola Tesla is just constantly doing heroin.


But yea, that shit would be off the hook.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

How cool would that be.

It would be cooler than the other side of the pillow.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

i hate that little chanker neo-goth bastard so much.


And Nikola Tesla is just constantly doing heroin.


But yea, that shit would be off the hook.

tbh i've never heard of him and i dont think hes even known here in england. but magic wasnt really sumthing i was into unless it was derren brown or david blaine

 

[Eddy]

Hes a goth ?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Hes a goth ?

meh, must mean he has a half decent taste in music then

 

[Eddy]

I wouldnt want to listen to that junk of garbage anyway

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Hes a goth ?

Umm, yea....look....

he's on the right.