The 4-yr. old Preacher (123 Viewers)
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I've missed this whole thread up until now, but when I saw that a thread about a 4 year-old preacher had reached ~500 posts, I had to take a look, and now I can see why.
I don't have time to go back and read the rest of this thread, but I'll answer this point:
Christians don't necessarily believe in a young earth, and the age of the earth is by no means a crucial part of Christianity. I personally believe in the 'days' of Creation being literal 24-hour periods, but also an old earth. Contrary to popular belief, the two views are not incompatible.
I don't have time to go back and read the rest of this thread, but I'll answer this point:
I'm criticising the common terminology, not you. 
By 'you', I mean Christians in general. Or any other religion which says the earth is not billions of years old.
By 'you', I mean Christians in general. Or any other religion which says the earth is not billions of years old.
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Ok, if you want to look at it that way.
But the fact is that it's not entirely clear in Genesis whether each 'day' was a 24-hour period or an 'age', which is a popular view amongst those who believe in an old earth. It's open to interpretation, so the 'picking and choosing' you so dismissively accuse me of is merely me leaning towards a particular viewpoint.
That may even change in the future as I reassess the text, but in the end it doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things.
But the fact is that it's not entirely clear in Genesis whether each 'day' was a 24-hour period or an 'age', which is a popular view amongst those who believe in an old earth. It's open to interpretation, so the 'picking and choosing' you so dismissively accuse me of is merely me leaning towards a particular viewpoint.
That may even change in the future as I reassess the text, but in the end it doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things.
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It's not the interpretations I'm accusing of PnC, but the impact a certain topic has on your faith. I'd imagine that all of gods words have equal importance, but nooooo... some things he says don't even matter. Soon I'll meet a Christian who says whether the fact that he created Adam and Eve or not doesn't even matter to his faith!
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Is there a certain verse in the Bible that suggests that the days mentioned are actually ages? Or are you just making up your own interpretation?
Also, what if God actually implied the literal meaning rather than your expert interpretations? What if by second guessing god, you're pissing him off, thus going to hell?
Also, what if God actually implied the literal meaning rather than your expert interpretations? What if by second guessing god, you're pissing him off, thus going to hell?
Your a bit over dramatic and ridiculous.
Comparing Man and GOD’s time line
I would like to show you this little fact I got when I try to calculate the difference between GOD and Man’s time line. Did you know that 5 days here on earth is only 1 second clock tic on GOD’s time view?
GOD’s TIME MAN’s TIME
1 second = 5 days
Based from the bible itself 1000 years here on earth is only 1 day (2 Peter 3:8) in the eyes of the LORD. Now lets break it up to get that 5 days on earth is equal to GOD’s one second.
MAN’s Time line GOD’S Time line
1000yrs 1day
500yrs 12 hrs
250yrs 6hrs
125yrs 3hrs
62yrs & 6 mos 1hr & 30mins
31yrs & 3mos 45mins
15yrs & 7mos 15days 22mins & 30secs
7yrs & 9mos 22days 12hrs 11mins & 15 secs
3yrs ,10mos 26days 3hrs 5mins 37secs 30mili
1yr 11mos 13days 1hr 30secs 2mins 48secs 45mili
11mos 21days 12hrs 30min 15secs 1min 24sec 22.5mili
5mos 25days 18hrs 15min 7sec 30mili 42secs 11.25mili
2mos 27days 21hrs 7min 33secs 30mili 21secs 5.625mili
1mon 13days 22hrs 33min 46secs 45mili 10secs 32.81mili
21days 13hrs 16min 53sec 22.5mili 5secs 16.40mili
10days 18hrs 38min 26sec 16.25mili 2secs 38.20mili
5days 9hrs 19min 13secs 1sec 19.1mili
From that computation we see that 1 year on earth is only 2 minutes on GOD’s time!
Lesson from this. Life is short… Our lives is just a couple of minutes on GOD’s time line so we must use it wisely.. Time will come we shall give account all things we have done while we are living.
God bless you guys, post your thoughts on this topic.
Comparing Man and GOD’s time line
I would like to show you this little fact I got when I try to calculate the difference between GOD and Man’s time line. Did you know that 5 days here on earth is only 1 second clock tic on GOD’s time view?
GOD’s TIME MAN’s TIME
1 second = 5 days
Based from the bible itself 1000 years here on earth is only 1 day (2 Peter 3:8) in the eyes of the LORD. Now lets break it up to get that 5 days on earth is equal to GOD’s one second.
MAN’s Time line GOD’S Time line
1000yrs 1day
500yrs 12 hrs
250yrs 6hrs
125yrs 3hrs
62yrs & 6 mos 1hr & 30mins
31yrs & 3mos 45mins
15yrs & 7mos 15days 22mins & 30secs
7yrs & 9mos 22days 12hrs 11mins & 15 secs
3yrs ,10mos 26days 3hrs 5mins 37secs 30mili
1yr 11mos 13days 1hr 30secs 2mins 48secs 45mili
11mos 21days 12hrs 30min 15secs 1min 24sec 22.5mili
5mos 25days 18hrs 15min 7sec 30mili 42secs 11.25mili
2mos 27days 21hrs 7min 33secs 30mili 21secs 5.625mili
1mon 13days 22hrs 33min 46secs 45mili 10secs 32.81mili
21days 13hrs 16min 53sec 22.5mili 5secs 16.40mili
10days 18hrs 38min 26sec 16.25mili 2secs 38.20mili
5days 9hrs 19min 13secs 1sec 19.1mili
From that computation we see that 1 year on earth is only 2 minutes on GOD’s time!
Lesson from this. Life is short… Our lives is just a couple of minutes on GOD’s time line so we must use it wisely.. Time will come we shall give account all things we have done while we are living.
God bless you guys, post your thoughts on this topic.
I believe, like 2 Timothy 3:16 says, that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. When I say that the young/old earth issue isn't important in the grand scheme of things, I'm not saying that Genesis 1 isn't important, but that the age of the earth isn't a make-or-break issue in the Christian faith.
Giving equal importance to the whole Bible doesn't mean you have to get hung up on small details.
Fair point
Here's my reasoning:
In the context that it's used in Genesis, the Hebrew word 'yom' can only refer to a literal day, and especially in the context in which it's used, it must refer to a 24 hour period. Also, the fact that it says there was morning and evening on each day suggests to me that it's not referring to ages.
Like I've said though, it's not even a big deal
That's not how salvation works.
Giving equal importance to the whole Bible doesn't mean you have to get hung up on small details.
Fair point
Here's my reasoning:
In the context that it's used in Genesis, the Hebrew word 'yom' can only refer to a literal day, and especially in the context in which it's used, it must refer to a 24 hour period. Also, the fact that it says there was morning and evening on each day suggests to me that it's not referring to ages.
Like I've said though, it's not even a big deal
That's not how salvation works.
I believe, like 2 Timothy 3:16 says, that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. When I say that the young/old earth issue isn't important in the grand scheme of things, I'm not saying that Genesis 1 isn't important, but that the age of the earth isn't a make-or-break issue in the Christian faith.
Giving equal importance to the whole Bible doesn't mean you have to get hung up on small details.
Fair point
Here's my reasoning:
In the context that it's used in Genesis, the Hebrew word 'yom' can only refer to a literal day, and especially in the context in which it's used, it must refer to a 24 hour period. Also, the fact that it says there was morning and evening on each day suggests to me that it's not referring to ages.
Like I've said though, it's not even a big deal
Giving equal importance to the whole Bible doesn't mean you have to get hung up on small details.
Fair point
Here's my reasoning:
In the context that it's used in Genesis, the Hebrew word 'yom' can only refer to a literal day, and especially in the context in which it's used, it must refer to a 24 hour period. Also, the fact that it says there was morning and evening on each day suggests to me that it's not referring to ages.
Like I've said though, it's not even a big deal
and this :
http://www.iep.utm.edu/god-time/
it was on a christian blog
http://www.gl3nnx.com/divine-wonders/comparing-man-and-gods-time-line.htm
http://www.gl3nnx.com/divine-wonders/comparing-man-and-gods-time-line.htm
Why do you take that literally though? Just at first glance its seems more like an analogy. Time is our own creation/concept and if it wasn't for the sun we wouldn't even have that. Time in space doesn't exist; we're both in the past, the future, and the present in the same. So to me it just seems to be an analogy to make us understand in human terms.
Remember that 2 Peter 3:8 reads: But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
It's not literally saying that there's a metric by which we can measure God's time against ours. It's a simile. The words "But do not forget" show that Peter was quoting Psalm 90:4: For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. If you're going to be consistent, this means that a watch in the night is also 1000 years to God.
Remember the context of 2 Peter 3. Peter is reminding Christians that God's promises aren't nullified by time, because there will be scoffers who go around saying "what happened to this promised return of Jesus?" He's saying that if Jesus promised to return 1000 years ago, it's as good as if he promised 1 day ago.
You have to be wary when it comes to numbers, since the Bible uses them figuratively a lot of the time, to imply perfection or completion. For example, when Jesus says in Matthew 18:22 that we should forgive our brother 70x7 times, he's not saying that if someone wrongs us for the 491st time, we shouldn't forgive them. It's figurative.
It's not literally saying that there's a metric by which we can measure God's time against ours. It's a simile. The words "But do not forget" show that Peter was quoting Psalm 90:4: For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. If you're going to be consistent, this means that a watch in the night is also 1000 years to God.
Remember the context of 2 Peter 3. Peter is reminding Christians that God's promises aren't nullified by time, because there will be scoffers who go around saying "what happened to this promised return of Jesus?" He's saying that if Jesus promised to return 1000 years ago, it's as good as if he promised 1 day ago.
You have to be wary when it comes to numbers, since the Bible uses them figuratively a lot of the time, to imply perfection or completion. For example, when Jesus says in Matthew 18:22 that we should forgive our brother 70x7 times, he's not saying that if someone wrongs us for the 491st time, we shouldn't forgive them. It's figurative.
OP
Interesting read, guys.
I got a question: if 1 day is equal to a thousand years, and the 7th day is observed as a sabbath, then shouldn't we actually be observing the millennium 6000-6999 as sabbath rather than every Sunday of the week?
But an atheist will ask you which gods' time are we trying to understand. Cos there are so many gods. 1 day in Brahma's life is equivalent to 8.64 billion human years.
I got a question: if 1 day is equal to a thousand years, and the 7th day is observed as a sabbath, then shouldn't we actually be observing the millennium 6000-6999 as sabbath rather than every Sunday of the week?
But an atheist will ask you which gods' time are we trying to understand. Cos there are so many gods. 1 day in Brahma's life is equivalent to 8.64 billion human years.
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