Thanks Gabriel Batistuta (1 Viewer)

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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#22
++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++


Cause I don't like every decent striker out there.

To me Batistuta is no more than a decent striker.
You'd be less ridiculed if you said players like Ronaldinho, Maradona, Di Stefano or van Basten were also "decent strikers", frankly if Batigol was "decent" god knows what in your mind "world class" is...scary...
 

Elnur_E65

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Feb 21, 2004
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#23
++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
The most prolific attacker of the 90's with Beppe Signori and the serie A record holder of the most consecutive goals scored (13 in 11 successive games) is only a decent striker?:howler:
I don't remember much of him. So I don't have much else to say.

So yes, Decent.
 

Elnur_E65

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Feb 21, 2004
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#24
++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++


You'd be less ridiculed if you said players like Ronaldinho, Maradona, Di Stefano or van Basten were also "decent strikers", frankly if Batigol was "decent" god knows what in your mind "world class" is...scary...
Yep. I am not too big of a fan of praising individual performances.
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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#26
One of Bati's most memorable goals for me was the one that knocked Arsenal out of the Champions League in 1999. A wonderfully sweetly struck shot when he didn't really have any angle to shoot at.

Of course there's other memories of his great performances like his successive hat-tricks at the 94 and 98 World Cups. I don't recall the last player to achieve that feat.

I just adored the way Batistuta had the ability to shoot absolute rockets, even when he was standing still :strong:

Thank you Batigoooool
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
19,250
#27
Batigol will be missed, no doubt about that.


Definitely the best striker to come out of Argentina in the last decade. Crespo would be a close second.
 

Elnur_E65

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Feb 21, 2004
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#28
++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
Dont you think its a bit unfair to call him just a 'decent' player when you havent seen much of him ? Thats very judgmental.
1. Everything in this world in judgemental.

2. Just because I have not seen much of someone does not necesarily imply that I am completely unaware of him.

3. Everyone has the right for a personal opinion.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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#29
++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++
1. Everything in this world in judgemental.
Yeah, your grammar sucks.

2. Just because I have not seen much of someone does not necesarily imply that I am completely unaware of him.
It also doesn't put you in a position to make any sort of accurate stab at making a balanced judgement of them.

3. Everyone has the right for a personal opinion.
Yep, but some of us are less than enthusiastic about people presenting uninformed ones.
 

Elnur_E65

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Feb 21, 2004
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#30
++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

Yeah, your grammar sucks.
Yeah, I know :D
Thanks for pointing out though ;)

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
It also doesn't put you in a position to make any sort of accurate stab at making a balanced judgement of them.
Certainly not, and that was in no way my goal. My very first statement was "I never liked the guy".


++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
Yep, but some of us are less than enthusiastic about people presenting uninformed ones.
Well, those some can simply enjoy life.
 

Elnur_E65

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Feb 21, 2004
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#32
++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
just to get this straight - you dont like batistuta, whom you havent seen much of because hes just a decent striker ?
Not exactly,

- I do not like Batistuta
- I do not remember much of Beppe Signori, not Batistuta
- Batistuta may be the best striker of all times, to me he is no more than a decent striker.

And good luck with universally defining "average", "decent", and "world class".
 
Dec 27, 2003
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#33
I have some trouble understanding how one can categorize a player while at the same time admitting he does not remember much of him. It's like claiming you don't like France when you've only crossed the German border and stopped in Strasbourg for a night. Or, to use another analogy, if I am introduced to Bill Gates, whatever my first impression of him is, I am not gonna stand there and say : "nah, I don’t think that guy actually is the owner of Microsoft".

Regardless, anyone who has followed the serie A for more than 5 years, i.e. anyone who has been lucky to witness Batistuta's feats before his star started declining in Rome and before he became a circus animal at Inter, will say that he was indeed an awesome player.

Now, defining world class in the case of Batigol is hardly a difficult exercise. In Florence, he quite simply re-wrote history. He became the team's all-time scorer, this with a rate of well over 0,6 goals a game in the 9 seasons he’s spent there. As mentioned before, he holds the enviable serie A record for most consecutive days of scoring (11). In just a few months, he has managed to make the city forget the traumatism that was the departure of that living God called Baggio. The fans even built him a statue in front of Artemio Franchi. Internationally, he has been a main protagonist in all the major tournaments in which he took part (Copa America and WC, except for the last one obviously), and he is the all-time topscorer with Argentina's NT, ahead of a certain Diego Maradona.

In terms of sheer skills, very few attackers shared the same deadly dashing, perfect sense of position and shot accuracy as his, and to my knowledge only defenders such as Branco or Bob Carlos could boast such a powerful strike in his era. In fact, he quite simply reunited all the essential characteristics of a world class goalscorer. And considering that a goalscorer’s job is, well, to score goals, and that only Signori (the three times serie A topscorer with 25 or more goals, to be sure) has been able to rival him in those years, if Batistuta does indeed only correspond to the definition of decency, it is fair to assume that the following are at risk of falling into the category of the "sub-decents" : Montella, Vialli, Vieri, Amoroso, Crespo, Chiesa, Inzaghi, Weah, Boksic (though the latter two probably belong to another category of players)...

PS : Nicole, Van Basten is the God of centre-forwards, plain and simple. Just like Maradona is the God of fantasisti. Let’s only compare what’s comparable, please.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
#34
++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
One of Bati's most memorable goals for me was the one that knocked Arsenal out of the Champions League in 1999 . A wonderfully sweetly struck shot when he didn't really have any angle to shoot at.

Of course there's other memories of his great performances like his successive hat-tricks at the 94 and 98 World Cups. I don't recall the last player to achieve that feat.

I just adored the way Batistuta had the ability to shoot absolute rockets, even when he was standing still :strong:

Thank you Batigoooool
believe it or not but somehow i saw that coming;)although i expected it coming from Andy:D
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
7,561
#35
++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
PS : Nicole, Van Basten is the God of centre-forwards, plain and simple. Just like Maradona is the God of fantasisti. Let’s only compare what’s comparable, please.
I know, I share your admiration for van Basten even though I cant claim to have seen him many times, but I was merely trying to show that to call Batigol "decent" was as "absurd" as calling players like van Basten and Maradona "decent" as well, even though they were better players...
 

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