Terrorism (32 Viewers)

[Vinman]

I just watched Fahrenheit 9/11 for the first time, and I have to say I gained a little bit of respect for this movie when Moore documented the situation in Flint, Michigan. As stated in the film, Flint looks just as bad as some parts of Baghdad right now, and most of the blame can be directed to Joke Bush. This "President" has completely let parts of Michigan go to hell, but that's no surprise...it's a common fact that Michigan is 75% Democrat, and a hard core Texas Republican will have no part in going out of his way to help the struggling people in Michigan, just like the liberal and poor Katrina victims in New Orleans. Bush would rather help his cronies out in the defense industry.

As for the other parts of the movie, the bias really destroys some of the good points Moore brings up, and some of the accusations the man insinuates in his film are rather hard to believe. Of course George Bush being a lousy, corrupt President is not one of them.

Another upsetting fact I learned from this movie was that when a soldier from Flint died in the line of duty, his family received his paycheck that did not include the final five days of his service...only because he died "too early" as it was cited. Moore exposed some good topics in this piece, however you know its doctered up with too much bias...as I expected.

uhmmm....

excuse me , amico mio...

but doesn't Michigan have a state government ??? A govenor ??

Those are the people you should be directing your displeasure with

The feds give money to each individual state...its up to the morons in Michigan to spend the money correctly !!!

 

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[swag]

Speaking of WMDs, the ever-controversial Scott Ritter -- the UN Weapons Inspector who was relieved before the most recent invasion of Iraq -- is coming to the Commonwealth Club (where I've been taking my Italian lessons this year as a member) to do a talk on the subject this Friday. I just nabbed tickets.

Whether or not you believe he's become a traitor over his movie funding from Baath party members, it should be interesting when I saw the write up for his talk say, "And now he makes the case for how the CIA sabotaged the work of UN arms inspectors to achieve hidden U.S. foreign policy objectives in the Middle East."

Incidentally, I saw him speak at the Roxie Theater in SF at the opening of his controvertial and, IMO entertaining, 2001 flick, In Shifting Sands: The Truth About Unscom and the Disarming of Iraq. That movie was banned in all but about 3 theaters in the U.S. at the time (Oct 2002).

After reading about his experiences in an article in The New Yorker in 2001, I had every reason to believe he would be the first person I would trust on whether he believed there were WMDs in Iraq or not. When he came out at that speech, and in his movie, that he thought there were currently no Iraqi WMDs and that the U.S. would invade Iraq anyway within the month (it was more like 4 months), that was what convinced me most that the rationale for the (then impending) Iraqi invasion was complete horse dung.

I'll be sure to report back in case anyone is curious...

 

[Shoryuken]

Speaking of WMDs, the ever-controversial Scott Ritter -- the UN Weapons Inspector who was relieved before the most recent invasion of Iraq -- is coming to the Commonwealth Club (where I've been taking my Italian lessons this year as a member) to do a talk on the subject this Friday. I just nabbed tickets.

Whether or not you believe he's become a traitor over his movie funding from Baath party members, it should be interesting when I saw the write up for his talk say, "And now he makes the case for how the CIA sabotaged the work of UN arms inspectors to achieve hidden U.S. foreign policy objectives in the Middle East."

Incidentally, I saw him speak at the Roxie Theater in SF at the opening of his controvertial and, IMO entertaining, 2001 flick, In Shifting Sands: The Truth About Unscom and the Disarming of Iraq. That movie was banned in all but about 3 theaters in the U.S. at the time (Oct 2002).

After reading about his experiences in an article in The New Yorker in 2001, I had every reason to believe he would be the first person I would trust on whether he believed there were WMDs in Iraq or not. When he came out at that speech, and in his movie, that he thought there were currently no Iraqi WMDs and that the U.S. would invade Iraq anyway within the month (it was more like 4 months), that was what convinced me most that the rationale for the (then impending) Iraqi invasion was complete horse dung.

I'll be sure to report back in case anyone is curious...

Typical, guy has the balls to speak the truth and they brand him a traitor.

I bet he will be an American hero by 2030 and that his lifestory will be turned into a movie which will win an Oscar for best motion picture with hundreds of Hollywood people clapping their hands while wondering how the generation before them could be so stupid.

P.s This isnt an anti-American post. Its an anti sheep-mentality post.

Please keep me updated Swag, i would like to hear more about this guy.

 

[Bjerknes]

uhmmm....

excuse me , amico mio...

but doesn't Michigan have a state government ??? A govenor ??

Those are the people you should be directing your displeasure with

The feds give money to each individual state...its up to the morons in Michigan to spend the money correctly !!!

Spend it wisely? Michigan doesn't have enough money to begin with Vinni...and all the money goes to places like Detroit and Dearborn where the situation is in some cases just as bad. There is only so much a governor can do...just look at what has been going on in New Orleans. You should also examine the difference in response to the hurricanes that hit Brother Bush's Florida last year and this season, and compare it to the Katrina situation. The differences are quite stunning actually..

 

[swag]

Typical, guy has the balls to speak the truth and they brand him a traitor.

I bet he will be an American hero by 2030 and that his lifestory will be turned into a movie which will win an Oscar for best motion picture with hundreds of Hollywood people clapping their hands while wondering how the generation before them could be so stupid.

P.s This isnt an anti-American post. Its an anti sheep-mentality post.

Please keep me updated Swag, i would like to hear more about this guy.

You cannot deny that he was right, whether or not you are suspicious of his ties or motives.

Seeing his reports as late as 2001 of how he was muscled around by Saddam's henchmen, and subjected to shell games of delays and blockades by the Iraqi officials, I thought he would be the first person to say that Iraq was hiding some scary *$#%. So I was pretty shocked when he came out to say that he thought their infrastructure was still decimated by the first Gulf War and they undoubtedly had squat.

Then he pretty much called the inevitability of the U.S. invading Iraq right after ... He probably would have been right also on the date if not for some intervention in the White House for a feeble attempt to try some international collaboration channels first.

And I am so with you on the anti-sheep mentality thing does not mean anti-American. The fact that his movie was essentially banned was more than a little suspicious at the time. There is that balance of freedoms you have to consider with a democracy that feels under threat, but it was clear that pressure was being exerted to prevent people from seeing and hearing what he had to say. Even if it was just the opportunity to hear him out and then say that he was full of crap... we should have at least been afforded that opportunity.

I don't wholly trust the guy's biases and intentions overall myself. But you cannot deny his track record.

 

[Bjerknes]

Typical, guy has the balls to speak the truth and they brand him a traitor.

I bet he will be an American hero by 2030 and that his lifestory will be turned into a movie which will win an Oscar for best motion picture with hundreds of Hollywood people clapping their hands while wondering how the generation before them could be so stupid.

...a generation that was divided exactly down the middle in 2000 and 52/48 in 2004. And some people have a hard time understanding that foreign relations are not a priority to some people, and care more about domestic issues that involves them voting for one party, not because they agree on Iraq alone.

The Americans who deserve to be burned at the stake for this are those who didn't know what they were voting for in 2004, meaning those who just voted for one party's ticket every four years just because that is what their fathers did...or those who voted for Bush just because they were scared the Liberals would take their precious little firearms away. These are the people who I personally blame, because in actuality they are the ones who decided the past two elections..

 

[swag]

I just wish the system had more accountability... more than just votes in elections.

If I f*# up and make a bad decision on my job, I get reprimanded. If my bad decision costs the company several thousand dollars, it could be much worse. I could, and should, be fired.

Then you take someone who is a hawk and lays out a strategy to send us to war based on bogus, misleading, or mistaken information ... and does so resulting in the deaths of over 2,000 U.S. citizens, untold Iraqi citizens, and a cost of over $250 billion to U.S. taxpayers ... and doesn't even get so much as a hand slap.

I don't even necessarily mean the President here. All I am asking for are the likes of Paul Wolfowitz to be held accountable. Is even that too much to expect? :frown: At least a big "L" tattooed on their forehead at least. C'mon! Throw me a bone here, folks....

 

[Shoryuken]

You cannot deny that he was right, whether or not you are suspicious of his ties or motives.

Seeing his reports as late as 2001 of how he was muscled around by Saddam's henchmen, and subjected to shell games of delays and blockades by the Iraqi officials, I thought he would be the first person to say that Iraq was hiding some scary *$#%. So I was pretty shocked when he came out to say that he thought their infrastructure was still decimated by the first Gulf War and they undoubtedly had squat.

Then he pretty much called the inevitability of the U.S. invading Iraq right after ... He probably would have been right also on the date if not for some intervention in the White House for a feeble attempt to try some international collaboration channels first.

And I am so with you on the anti-sheep mentality thing does not mean anti-American. The fact that his movie was essentially banned was more than a little suspicious at the time. There is that balance of freedoms you have to consider with a democracy that feels under threat, but it was clear that pressure was being exerted to prevent people from seeing and hearing what he had to say. Even if it was just the opportunity to hear him out and then say that he was full of crap... we should have at least been afforded that opportunity.

I don't wholly trust the guy's biases and intentions overall myself. But you cannot deny his track record.

100% agreed. Blocking a movie with an important message no matter what intentions the person has who creates it is controlled(seemingly widely accepted) dictatorship.

I wouldnt trust the guys intentions 100% either concidering he got the money to make it from a sworn enemy of the Us(is that proven?) but more important then the intentions of the moviemaker is the "other point of view" which is so often lacking all around the world.

 

[Shoryuken]

...a generation that was divided exactly down the middle in 2000 and 52/48 in 2004. And some people have a hard time understanding that foreign relations are not a priority to some people, and care more about domestic issues that involves them voting for one party, not because they agree on Iraq alone.

The Americans who deserve to be burned at the stake for this are those who didn't know what they were voting for in 2004, meaning those who just voted for one party's ticket every four years just because that is what their fathers did...or those who voted for Bush just because they were scared the Liberals would take their precious little firearms away. These are the people who I personally blame, because in actuality they are the ones who decided the past two elections..

You kind of moved away from my point and started another subjekt within the subjekt with that post Andy but i agree with most of it.

Except, i wouldnt even blame the people. Without information people make allot of mistakes, blame the government for not educating the people. And by that i mean, even the most ignorant man who votes solely as his father did could easily change his mind if he would of had all the information that is needed to make the right choice.

 

[Shoryuken]

I just wish the system had more accountability... more than just votes in elections.

If I f*# up and make a bad decision on my job, I get reprimanded. If my bad decision costs the company several thousand dollars, it could be much worse. I could, and should, be fired.

Then you take someone who is a hawk and lays out a strategy to send us to war based on bogus, misleading, or mistaken information ... and does so resulting in the deaths of over 2,000 U.S. citizens, untold Iraqi citizens, and a cost of over $250 billion to U.S. taxpayers ... and doesn't even get so much as a hand slap.

I don't even necessarily mean the President here. All I am asking for are the likes of Paul Wolfowitz to be held accountable. Is even that too much to expect? :frown: At least a big "L" tattooed on their forehead at least. C'mon! Throw me a bone here, folks....

:rofl2: Good post.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I just wish the system had more accountability... more than just votes in elections.

If I f*# up and make a bad decision on my job, I get reprimanded. If my bad decision costs the company several thousand dollars, it could be much worse. I could, and should, be fired.

Then you take someone who is a hawk and lays out a strategy to send us to war based on bogus, misleading, or mistaken information ... and does so resulting in the deaths of over 2,000 U.S. citizens, untold Iraqi citizens, and a cost of over $250 billion to U.S. taxpayers ... and doesn't even get so much as a hand slap.

I don't even necessarily mean the President here. All I am asking for are the likes of Paul Wolfowitz to be held accountable. Is even that too much to expect? :frown: At least a big "L" tattooed on their forehead at least. C'mon! Throw me a bone here, folks....

Brilliant, I really like reading your stuff.

 

[Vinman]

Spend it wisely? Michigan doesn't have enough money to begin with Vinni...and all the money goes to places like Detroit and Dearborn where the situation is in some cases just as bad. There is only so much a governor can do...just look at what has been going on in New Orleans. You should also examine the difference in response to the hurricanes that hit Brother Bush's Florida last year and this season, and compare it to the Katrina situation. The differences are quite stunning actually..

again, Andy, the state gov'ts get enough money...its up to THEM as to how they want to spend it !!

do you know that Louisiana has had the sufficient funds for the last 7 years to have completely improved the levee system in New Orleans ?? this catastrophe could have been avoided had the state done the right thing years ago....

I agree that the hurricane relief situation in Florida is flawed. They get tons of money per year (OUR MONEY !!) to rebuild

I propose that since Florida has no state tax, that they have to start paying a "hurricane tax" to rebuild their cities...why are we always paying for it ???

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Vinny is right, the states are alloted a certain amount of money each year.

Listen to him, he is a state employee.

 

[Bjerknes]

While Vinni may be right, Bush would rather take care of places he cares about instead of giving a helping hand to some place he doesn't. He will never go out of his way to help the Liberal Michigan, no matter what the State does. And last time I checked the Governor of Michigan doesn't make Presidential decisions that effect our economy..

It's easy to say the State is responsible for everything, however before Bush was in office people were not living as hard as they are today...at least in the places I'm familiar with.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43012

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[Layce Erayce]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43012

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funny article

:coffee:

 

[The Goalkeeper]

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????

 

[Layce Erayce]

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????

Consciousness.:coffee:

 

[Layce Erayce]

I miss Ali from Kenya

 

[swag]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43012

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Choice.