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Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++


What I find interesting in all of that, is that Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry in general is part of the tax-bracket that ususally gets coddled by the Republicans to begin with.

And I don't think that its a case of them not knowing, I think that its more or less they've come to a point in their lives, be it financially, mentally, or spiritually, that they can now speak out against what they perceive as injustices and not have to worry about ramifications. Its very easy to speak out in a controversial tone when you've already achieved everything in life that you've set out to do. No such thing as bad publicity. However, if they overstep their bounds, it might, and I stress might, damage their reputation.

Bruce Springsteen has never been for the Republicans, going back to the early 80's when Reagan was in office. Eddie Vedder, whose opinions I would view with more substance than any other celebrity out there, has been anti-Republican for as long as I can remember. Its when the J-Lo's and Ben Affleck's, whose nose is so far up Kerry's Ass he can see what Kerry had for lunch the other day, decide to speak up, and they readily admit that they didn't even vote in 2000, that I take those views with a whole barrel of salt.
Exactly. Frankly I don't care what any of these stars have to say, with exception to Sean Penn, who is a good actor and someone who seems knowledgable. I can listen to what he has to say. I just find it rediculous how so much money is made by people who join this Anti-Bush bandwagon. The band Sum-41, who has some tracks on the Album, are from Canada, not the U.S. Bunch a punks. :rolleyes:
 

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KB824

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I don't really listen to what entertainers have to say in regards to politics, to tell you the truth.

We are at a point in time wherethe tools for finding out practically everything we could ever want to know about what's going on in our country and around the world is right in front of you.


I don't need a celebrity telling me to

A) Go out and vote, and

B) In subtle or not so subtle implications, try to tell me who the right person to vote for is.


If you don't want to do the research and pay attention to what's going on around you, then quite honestly we don't need that vote. If all the information they get for this election is from MTV and Entertainment Tonight or Access Hollywood, then there is a problem.

The right to Vote is not a privelege, it is a right. And just like any other rights, they can be revoked without warning at any time, and that is something that we Americans take for granted. Think of all the countries in the world who don't have that right. There are quite possibly members of this forum who don't have it as we speak.

Yet, we see MTV with the "Rock the Vote" campaign, and all these celebrity functions to get people to vote.

I'm sorry? Have we not had that right for over 200 years now? Is this something new all of a sudden, the "right to vote"? Do we really need P. Diddy out there hawking his "Vote or Die" merchandise in order to raise awareness?

I apologize if I'm venting, but I think that you can see my point.


And I don't want to de-rail this thread from its main purpose, which is discussing terrorism.


And No, don't ask me who I'm voting for in November. Josh already tried last night, to no avail :D I'm just honored to have the right to do so.
 

KB824

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I'm re-reading my last post, and I realize that I said "right" WAY too many times in that one paragraph.

Hey, I was mad, what can you expect.


My belief still stays the same, though.
 

Vinman

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Sergio,

voting for Kerry will be the demise of our country.............

Iran said a few days ago that it has nuclear weapons that can hit the US, and WILL attack 29 US cities when their leader so commands....

Now ask yourself "what would Kerry do in this situation ???"

I KNOW what Bush will do !!!!
 
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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

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God damn! I expressed my self wrong.....I wanted to say that Jewish Bible cannot be the cause of mass-killing. Thats stupid.....Bible says; "thats your land" and then you must suck into USA ass to get some weapons and when you get it....killl as much as possible and place them in refugee-camps. I think thats stupid.....and I support Palestinian suicide bombers.....that is their onley way to do something.....till they get their own state(which will be 500X times smaller than it used to be before 1947.) Ariel Sharon is a true war-criminal and Im feeling annoyed that he cant be delivered to a war-crime court in Haag....if our people can be there just for defending their own state and lives......he could be also...but he will never be there.....so long FREE PALESTINA!!!!!!!!
 

KB824

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++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
Sergio,

voting for Kerry will be the demise of our country.............

Iran said a few days ago that it has nuclear weapons that can hit the US, and WILL attack 29 US cities when their leader so commands....

Now ask yourself "what would Kerry do in this situation ???"

I KNOW what Bush will do !!!!

I refuse to imply one way or the other on who I will be voting for. My wife doesn't even know, although she has a good idea on which way I will be leaning. I knew a long time ago who I was going to vote for, so I'm not going to be one of those going eenie-meenie-miney-moe in the booth.
 
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Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
    Sergio,

    voting for Kerry will be the demise of our country.............

    Iran said a few days ago that it has nuclear weapons that can hit the US, and WILL attack 29 US cities when their leader so commands....

    Quite frankly, thats the most ridiculous thnk I've ever heard, and no politician of any kind or calibre would evver consider saying something like that, let alone say it out loud.


    ++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++

    Now ask yourself "what would Kerry do in this situation ???"

    I KNOW what Bush will do !!!!

    I do to. Knowing him, he'll probably invade Algeria. Why? I dont know, probably because they have oil, they cant fight back, and they'll distract the people from the real issues, where Bush would clearly lose.

    WMDs in Iraq? Puh-leaseeee, where are they? North Korea on the other hand, has nuclear weapons, as they have admitted themselves, and they have a leader that wouldnt be afraid to use them. Now, I dont see America going in there. Why isnt that something Bush would do?

    You know what Bush would do, please... :rolleyes: Nothing he's done so far has been right, I guess you want to give him 4 more years to let him finish his job, fvcking the world up as much as humanly possible.
     
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    Zlatan

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    Exactly. Frankly I don't care what any of these stars have to say, with exception to Sean Penn, who is a good actor and someone who seems knowledgable. I can listen to what he has to say. I just find it rediculous how so much money is made by people who join this Anti-Bush bandwagon. The band Sum-41, who has some tracks on the Album, are from Canada, not the U.S. Bunch a punks. :rolleyes:
    This election is not just about America, it's important for the rest of the world as well, and we do have the right to state our opinions.
     

    Bjerknes

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    I'm re-reading my last post, and I realize that I said "right" WAY too many times in that one paragraph.

    Hey, I was mad, what can you expect.


    My belief still stays the same, though.
    Yeah and I agree with you Serge 100%. :)

    And I don't need to ask, because you've already told me your views on who we should vote for in November. :D
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++


    This election is not just about America, it's important for the rest of the world as well, and we do have the right to state our opinions.
    You do have a right to state your opinions, but you don't have any sort of bearing in the Election outcome, unless people here can't make up their minds themselves. :rolleyes:
     
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    Zlatan

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    AS the electons will will influence our lives as well, we have a right to state our opinions and try to influence the result in our favour. By we, I mean non americans.
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
    Sergio,

    voting for Kerry will be the demise of our country.............

    Iran said a few days ago that it has nuclear weapons that can hit the US, and WILL attack 29 US cities when their leader so commands....

    Now ask yourself "what would Kerry do in this situation ???"

    I KNOW what Bush will do !!!!
    He'd blow Iran the f**k out. :D




    :eek: :frown:
     

    KB824

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


    You do have a right to state your opinions, but you don't have any sort of bearing in the Election outcome, unless people here can't make up their minds themselves . :rolleyes:

    Bingo.



    That's my main point of contention.

    Its a lack of wanting to gather information. Too much is dependent on, "Well, I don't like candidate A, not for his issues, but because of something totally irrelevant, so I'll vote for candidate B" Politicians absolutely love this time of the year, because they know that the vast majority of people who vote don't follow the issues, and will simply vote for the person who can quite honeslty, yell the loudest closer to November.
     

    Bjerknes

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    AS the electons will will influence our lives as well, we have a right to state our opinions and try to influence the result in our favour. By we, I mean non americans.
    Well yeah, everybody has their own opinions, but who is gonna listen to them? Not I, thats for sure. I don't need any help in making up my own mind, or having someone persuade me into other opinions which quite frankly aren't mine. So yes, you can state your opinions as it is your right as a human being, but don't count on many people here to listen.
     

    KB824

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    He'd blow Iran the f**k out. :D




    :eek: :frown:
    No he wouldn't.

    What SHOULD he do?

    Get Israel and Palestine together and get this increasingly ugly situation resolved.


    THIS is the fuse that will ingite the Keg to WW3 if this isn't resolved somehow. I don't claim to know the answers to this, but I feel pretty confident that this is where the greatest amount of attention, in regards to foreign policy, needs to be turned to.


    North Korea?? Not Worried.

    Why?

    Because China won't have any of it, that's why. And you think North Korea can stand up to China? Especially now that relations between the US and China, at least economically, is the best its been since Nixon,there's no way that anything will happen in North Korea. They'll have the entire Pacific Rim on their ass in no time flat.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Bingo.



    That's my main point of contention.

    Its a lack of wanting to gather information. Too much is dependent on, "Well, I don't like candidate A, not for his issues, but because of something totally irrelevant, so I'll vote for candidate B" Politicians absolutely love this time of the year, because they know that the vast majority of people who vote don't follow the issues, and will simply vote for the person who can quite honeslty, yell the loudest closer to November.
    This will be my first voting experiance in November, so I'm trying to follow whats going on in politics currently. I just need to get all the facts straight before making an honest decision. But I suspect everybody here knows who I'm voting for. :rolleyes:
     

    KB824

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


    This will be my first voting experiance in November, so I'm trying to follow whats going on in politics currently. I just need to get all the facts straight before making an honest decision. But I suspect everybody here knows who I'm voting for. :rolleyes:
    Regardless of who you vote for, Andy, you are the exception when it comes to young people wanting to know the issues before making a decision, and I applaud you for that.

    Just please tell me you didn't put money in P. Diddy's pocket by purchasing a "Vote or Die" T-Shirt:D
     

    Bjerknes

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    ++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++


    Regardless of who you vote for, Andy, you are the exception when it comes to young people wanting to know the issues before making a decision, and I applaud you for that.

    Just please tell me you didn't put money in P. Diddy's pocket by purchasing a "Vote or Die" T-Shirt:D
    Oh yeah, I bought a few of them, all in different colors. :D

    Hell no, I wouldn't give that a guy a penny to do anything, except for maybe disappear off to an abandoned island so I never see him again. :D

    Thanks by the way. :)
     

    Vinman

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    ++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



    Quite frankly, thats the most ridiculous thnk I've ever heard, and no politician of any kind or calibre would evver consider saying something like that, let alone say it out loud.





    I do to. Knowing him, he'll probably invade Algeria. Why? I dont know, probably because they have oil, they cant fight back, and they'll distract the people from the real issues, where Bush would clearly lose.

    WMDs in Iraq? Puh-leaseeee, where are they? North Korea on the other hand, has nuclear weapons, as they have admitted themselves, and they have a leader that wouldnt be afraid to use them. Now, I dont see America going in there. Why isnt that something Bush would do?

    You know what Bush would do, please... :rolleyes: Nothing he's done so far has been right, I guess you want to give him 4 more years to let him finish his job, fvcking the world up as much as humanly possible.
    Here Zlatan, this is for you......seeing as you know so much


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    Sunday, September 5, 2004


    Let's begin by looking at some facts.
    On Saturday, June 26, only a few weeks ago, two security guards at the Iranian U.N. Mission were expelled from the United States, and allowed to sneak back to Tehran. The State Department says that they were "engaged in activities inconsistent with their duties." Sure. They were spies.

    The pair had been observed by the FBI for months moving around Manhattan videotaping landmark buildings and other infrastructure. It took an alert transit police officer to arrest them when he saw them taking video images on the subway tracks. They claimed diplomatic immunity and were not charged with any crime.

    In Tehran, as August began, the Islamic Republic's supreme guide Ali Khamenei, was answering questions from a hundred or so Islamic guidance officials, home from foreign postings for retraining. Most of his answers were trite slogans, but when he was asked, "Is our Islamic Republic at war against the United States," he paused before replying. "It is the United States that is at war against our Islamic Revolution."





    However, Khamenei's own newspaper was even more direct. Writing this July, it said, "the White House's 80 years of exclusive rule are likely to become 80 seconds of hell that will burn to ashes. Those who resist Iran will be struck from directions they never expected."

    To these facts add that an Arab newspaper published in London and Beirut reported that an Iranian intelligence unit has established a center called "The Brigades of the Shahids of the Global Islamic Awakening," controlled by a Revolutionary Guards intelligence officer, Hassan Abbasi. The newspaper has a tape recording of Abbasi when he spoke of Iran's secret plans, which include "a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization."

    Missile strikes

    To bring this about, Abbasi said, "There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them." This Revolutionary Guard officer continued by saying, "Iran's missiles are now ready to strike at Western targets, and as soon as the instructions arrive from Ali Khamenei, we will launch our missiles at their cities and installations."

    These are facts. Now let's consider the information coming in from Iraq where, day after day, our troops are being killed.

    Most of the killing is now being done by Muslim militia -- Shi'ite Muslims -- in the cities of Fallujah, Mosul and Najaf. This militia appears to have some loyalty -- but not much -- to the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, but he is equally obviously not their paymaster.

    The militias need weapons, ammunition, gas for their vehicles, food, water and everything else to fight the Iraqi police and our military. Just remember that these are Shi'ites. The Iranians, just over the border are also Shi'ites. So we needn't be surprised to learn that the word on the streets of Baghdad and Tehran is that they are providing millions of dollars every month for the "hot" war against the Americans.

    The Iranian Shi'ites have during the past few weeks established relations with the Kurds in the north of Iraq and with the main Arab Sunni rebel group led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. And, every alliance is cemented with dollars.

    25-year war

    Iran has been at war with the United States since the mullahs ousted the shah's forces in 1979.

    Iran's war against the United States has gone on for 25 years. It is past time that the ayatollahs, mullahs and imams begin to understand that there are limits to our tolerance and that our military might is by no means exhausted?

    That February in 1979, the Revolutionary Guards invaded 27 U.S. listening posts in Iran that had been set up to monitor Soviet rocket tests. The posts were closed and our guys expelled.

    That was enough for Democrat Jimmy Carter. He sent a wonderful letter to the Ayatollah Khomeini, praising him as "a man of God." And, in a show of goodwill, Carter lifted the ban he had imposed on arms exports to Iran.

    A few days later, the Revolutionary Guards raided our embassy in Tehran and seized our diplomats as hostages for a year and a half. In April 1980, Carter tried a military rescue attempt, which ended in disaster with more Americans being killed.

    Since then Iran has created one disaster after another. The Marine barracks in Beirut with 241 U.S. Marines killed, some 30 U.S. hostages taken in Lebanon, the torture-killing of the CIA's Middle Eastern chief and the generalized support of all America's enemies.

    On July 27, Iranian Member of Parliament Hamid-Reza Katoziyan told a television audience "Muslims living in the U.S. are currently, in my opinion, in a special situation. Perhaps they do not walk the streets with weapons or attach bombs to themselves to carry out a suicide operation, but the thought is there."

    And, one last fact: The 9/11 commission in its report poses a question, "September 11 was a day of unprecedented shock. The nation was unprepared. How can we avoid such a tragedy again?"

    The answer has to be obvious. Ensure that Iran does not have the opportunity to make a first-strike against the U.S. and that Iran stops attempting to make Iraq a colony.

    Dateline D.C. is written by a Washington-based British journalist and political observer.
     
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