Talks between the US and Iraqi fighters an admission of defeat by the US? (10 Viewers)

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++
I've booked us in for a councilling session next week. If you're not there, i'll take the hint

What kind of councilling? *suspicious*

You're not gonna make me sign the divorce papers are you? :frown:

 

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[Tom]

erm ....

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[Azzurri7]

this is getting hot...

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++
erm ....

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You'll sorely miss me you know

 

[Tom]

I know, who am I kidding :frown:

 

[- vOnAm -]

++ [ originally posted by Azzurri7 ] ++


US weren't like this I know, But they'll go on like this, It's the beginning of the Road, Middle-East and the Golf is US's 1st step, Changing the Dictatorship regime is what the US Policy wants, not only Bush, and I agree with them, because I assume that they are a real danger on this planet.

So after Iraq they'll be moving towards Syria(Removing the Dictatorian-ship as well, Al-Assad Family and take them to the Court) and also another thing that they will be Punished for opening the boarder with Iraq and hiding alot of wanted people from the United States, then you got Iran and Saudi and so on.

So It's more like a well Build Plan, "New World Order" If we can call it this way.

Bush is not arrogant as you just called him, He's doing his Job, He's already thanked by alot of Iraqians, for removing that dictatorian Saddam.
I got many Iraqian friends, thankfull for the US, So I don't see why Bush should be bashed here. Though am not sure If you were talking about his personality or his political way.

There is no doubt that the middle east has its problems, although I am a muslim and know that the middle east represents a muslim community, I am not blinded by the fact that they have issues.
But I doubt that the issues are tottally endangering the planet. You have to look at the bigger picture.
Yes the middle east contains many dictatorship and some are bad but the US is really exploiting this opportunity for their own gain in the name of bringing peace. I am fully convinced that it is a matter of OIL. The US are really dependant on the oil that comes out of that region, and it would be in the interest of the US to have some control over it.
Alot of iraqians have died since the war ended and most are civilians. Of course they are thankful but if you asked them I doubt that they would really want the US to be involved. The US realeasing them IMO basically means they get the better options out of the worst available. And please dont get carried away with your words, I am not Bashing Bush, and calling him arrogant is nowhere bashing.
And "New WOrld Order" ? Who sounds like the dictator now?

Just remember that whatever Bush does is in the interest of the US, dont begin to sound like Bush's actions are doing the world a huge favor. If Bush was really concerned about the world, he would have signed the Kyoto treaty which really would be bad for the US economy.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++
Yes the middle east contains many dictatorship and some are bad but the US is really exploiting this opportunity for their own gain in the name of bringing peace. I am fully convinced that it is a matter of OIL.

I wouldn't say fully per se. But no question we wouldn't be there at all if not for U.S. energy interests. If this was an African nation, you could hear the yawns in the White House echo around the world.

The truth is probably more of a mixture of about 1 part well intentions towards the Iraqis, 5 parts interest in potentially stabilizing the Middle East with some democracy (as misguided as those efforts might be), and 9 parts economic interest (i.e., energy supply stability concerns).

Just remember that whatever Bush does is in the interest of the US, dont begin to sound like Bush's actions are doing the world a huge favor. If Bush was really concerned about the world, he would have signed the Kyoto treaty which really would be bad for the US economy.

The Kyoto treaty wasn't necessarily going to be bad for the U.S. economy. It was going to present the possibility for a competitive economic disadvantage when lined up against emerging industrial nations. For example, one such nation whose initials are CHINA.

 

[- vOnAm -]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


I wouldn't say fully per se. But no question we wouldn't be there at all if not for U.S. energy interests. If this was an African nation, you could hear the yawns in the White House echo around the world.

The truth is probably more of a mixture of about 1 part well intentions towards the Iraqis, 5 parts interest in potentially stabilizing the Middle East with some democracy (as misguided as those efforts might be), and 9 parts economic interest (i.e., energy supply stability concerns).

This is actually what I was trying to say.
I ment fully convinced that the main reason(part) is for oil.

The Kyoto treaty wasn't necessarily going to be bad for the U.S. economy. It was going to present the possibility for a competitive economic disadvantage when lined up against emerging industrial nations. For example, one such nation whose initials are CHINA.

yes a competitive disadvantage is what I consider a bad thing. the US would need to cut down pollution to meet the quota given to them while China I think still have space to grow until they meet their quota.
But this treaty would ultimately be fair to the world as each nation should be responsible for their pollution.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by m_elayyan ] ++
I am sure Azzuri7 if you live in lebanon you wont say and feel those things , all the world know that bush is the worst president in the history of America in terms of the damage he has done to the world , but sadly the us citizens dont care about this

Sadly, you're post is filled with nonsense and mistakes.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

"but iraq has WMD i am sure of that (or am i ) "


i think this is what pissed of most people

 

[ReBeL]

Well, let me explain some things...

Not all the Iraqis are supporting the American OCCUPATION for Iraq...

Only the Shiiat and Kurds are the pros for an idiot president like GW...

The Sunna are killed without any right and nobody in the whole world is doing anything to save them...

Bush is there for OIL and nothing but OIL...

If he wants to delete dictatorships in the Middle East, Mubarak and Gulf Sheikhs should be the first erased thing...

but those who kiss his ass are not touched...

Don't even mention the freedom thing because all the world know it's a rediculous justification!!!