tactics and formations (4 Viewers)

[JCK]

This 4-3-3 is basically a 4-5-1 with many solutions though, Seven.

 

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[Salvatore]

Grygera having strict instructions to get upfield and put his head on a Nedved corner would be lovely.

 

[Bjerknes]

A typical Dutch 4-3-3, I love it. Iaquinta can replace either Camoranesi or Trezeguet also.

The Dutch 4-3-3 is my favorite and like you said there are so many possibilities that come along with it. I think it gives you the must bang for your buck as the midfield is secure and those three players up top have some room to roam. And also having Camoranesi in a more advanced role could turn out to be a good move as well with the way he can work around the box.

4-3-3 is a very agressive and risky formation. I doubt Ranieri will have the guts to play like that.

Ranieri used the 4-5-1 while at Valencia which could be considered a 4-3-3 with the wingers he had in the team. So it's possible he could use such a formation.

I don't think so.

Why?

With Tiago behind the strikers and Camornesi and Nedved advancing on both wings, Nocerino will be the only midfield back to stop counterattacks. You simply cannot field two wingers in diamond midfield in Italy as the teams will eat you alive on the counterattack. Unless Tiago is restricted as a regular central midfielder along with Nocerino it won't work.

 

[Marceℓℓo]

With Tiago behind the strikers and Camornesi and Nedved advancing on both wings, Nocerino will be the only midfield back to stop counterattacks. You simply cannot field two wingers in diamond midfield in Italy as the teams will eat you alive on the counterattack. Unless Tiago is restricted as a regular central midfielder along with Nocerino it won't work.

I think you got me wrong.

I just placed the players like this to show that Nocerino is our DM.
Tiago wasn't meant to be behind the strikers,but as a CM.
Nedved and Camo should have worked defensively too.
I could have placed them like this:
My intention was just to make their positions more clear.

Camoranesi__Nocerino__Tiago___Nedved

I still don't think a team like this will be eaten alive.

 

[Bjerknes]

Camoranesi__Nocerino__Tiago___Nedved

I still don't think a team like this will be eaten alive.

That looks a lot better.

But lets not forget about Almiron.

 

[Marceℓℓo]

That looks a lot better.

But lets not forget about Almiron.

Yeah it seems almost a done deal,maybe he could play next to Tiago,but I don't know cuz I haven't seen him play.From what I've heard he isn't really defensive oriented,just like Tiago.So we would end up with two Central midfieders who have their strenght in the offence mainly and good passig range. But who would do the 'dirty work'?That's why I prefer a DM next to Almiron or Tiago.
It doesn't has to be Nocerino but I like him,we already got him and we could splash the cash to strenghten our defence. Zanetti is good too.

 

[juveBIH]

i think we're still 8 transfers away from that

I HOPE ITS LIKE U SAID

 

[Red]

-----------------------------Buffon

Grygera-------Barzagli-------------Milito----------Chiellini

--------------------------Zanetti


-------------Almiron-------------Tiago


-----------------------Nedved


----------------Trezeguet----Del Piero


I think this is realistic and would work.

I would prefer a new DM rather than Zanetti and we may have to replace Trez as well but this would be a good starting point.

 

[Mysticism]

seeing as you are portugese do you know anything about Antunes and his best position?

He's the future of Portugal squad as left defender. Young, with great stamina and a very attacking player crossing really well, but stills a little shy. Need more experience, maybe in a better portuguese club and then the big step to Juve

Try to see tomorrow Portugal vs Italy in sub-21 European.
Players like Antunes, Miguel Veloso, Manuel Fernandes, Montolivo, Rosina, Pazzini or Aquilani. All good options to Juve's future

 

[Ahmedios]

-----------------------------Buffon

Grygera-------Barzagli-------------Milito----------Chiellini

--------------------------Zanetti


-------------Almiron-------------Tiago


-----------------------Nedved


----------------Trezeguet----Del Piero


I think this is realistic and would work.

I would prefer a new DM rather than Zanetti and we may have to replace Trez as well but this would be a good starting point.

This is one of the best or already the best starting eleven I've seen lately. Even the small hint I wanted to add about Zanetti you said it.

There is another point here. Your central midfield is solid defensively and competent offensively, but what about our offensive abilities through both flanks? I think that Chiellini is better defensively, that's why I don't rely greatly on him when it comes to attacking. But I don't know if Grygera is that effective in attacking as well as in defending or not.

 

[Bjerknes]

This is one of the best or already the best starting eleven I've seen lately. Even the small hint I wanted to add about Zanetti you said it.

There is another point here. Your central midfield is solid defensively and competent offensively, but what about our offensive abilities through both flanks?

You're sort of contradicting yourself there. You say that formation is the best but then allude to the fact that we don't have enough attacking presence on the flanks.

 

[Ahmedios]

You're sort of contradicting yourself there. You say that formation is the best but then allude to the fact that we don't have enough attacking presence on the flanks.

Actually, In 4-4-2 formation, I prefer one fullback to share in attacking more than the opposite one. And I think that Chiellini isn't as good in attacking as in defending, as I said before. That's why I was asking about the offensive abilities of Grygera. Even though, I still think that Red's lineup is capable of creating the best chances through the centre and the versatility of Nedved, Tiago and Almiron. That's all.

 

[P_neddy]

I kinda like Juve red's formation, but we should only think about utilizing it on the condition of Camo's departure, which I don't like at all. The reason why we managed to keep on our goalscoring and winning record during the Capello's days was largely due to the wingers' explosiveness and ability to create chances out of nothing or even scoring goals themselves, because our central midfield at the time (Vieira + Emersonumpkin: ) can't even create a damn single sparks in the midfield even if their lives depend on it. I'm still terrified about those days when I smash the monitor every time I have to endure seeing Canna and Thuram launching rockets on the sky with 173 cm DP (well, he isn't on the field during Cap's days), clueless Trezeguet, and a f********ing pathetic Ibrahimovic watching the opposition's defenders heading them away for fun. Now, that's why Neddy and Camo's roles in our team are ALWAYS crucial, as we can't initiate ANY decent attack without them, and it even remains so in Serie B!!!!!!!!!
Some people saw a potential possibility in us playing 4-3-3 with Iaquinta and Del Piero on the wing plus Trezeguet as the target man, in addition to Nedved being playmaker, something Barcelona or Chelsea have been playing over the years. Lol, let me tell you something, that if you play Iaquinta as the right forward from the wing , do NOT ever expect him to score any goal, nor make ANY assist! And when he fails miserably in his role, I assume every of us will be asking for his head, Secco's and Blanc's organs, and Gigli to be electrified. If you're going to play Iaquinta at least play him in the right position. Watch the youtube video that show his hattrick against Pana. in the CL, where did he score all of his goals???? Have you ever seen Iaquinta pulling off a Nedved type of goal (dribbling with speed, cutting in the middle, fire a volley into the back of the net!!!)????? He's the target type of man with a lot of energy running like a headless chicken distracting the opposition's defenders. That's what he is!!!!!!!!!! I would dare say his style of play kinda imitates Drogba, but Drogba improves massively nowadays anyway. An good analogy would be....playing Iaquinta as the right forward would be like placing Trezeguet in a playmaking role, and we should all know how successful it should end up.
Barca and Chelsea were able to play 4-3-3 because they each have two players capable of playing as forwards from the wing (Robben, Duff, Cole for Chelsea), or Ronaldinho and Messi for Barcelona. There's NOBODY in our team who's capable of playing their roles (maybe Nedved as he's the most complete player i've seen, could easily play like Drogba but his legs are not fresh anymore). So there's the difference between 4-3-3 and 4-5-1. Trust me, if Ronaldinho and Messi know a thing or two about defending, Barcelona would play 4-5-1 in a heartbeat, because that would definitely balance their strength and weaknesses in the midfield. You see nowadays barca is such a lightweight team because of their central midfield (and partly fullbacks too).
So, 4-5-1 is still my ideal situation with DP and Nedved switching roles oftenly to create chances along with camo and Tiago. Marchionni is the Camo sub and he perfectly fits into that category as well too. I can already see what's in Ranieri's mind and I think our success would solely depends on how efficient our target man is. If Trezeguet is set for another disappointed position, and iaquinta turns out to be a joke, this plan will 100% fail, or we just simply need to find a forward to can put the ball in the back of the net.

 

[Bjerknes]

Lol, let me tell you something, that if you play Iaquinta as the right forward from the wing , do NOT ever expect him to score any goal, nor make ANY assist!

Indeed, especially about the goals part. He does remind me of a headless chicken running around and he would add virtually nothing to the right flank. This also makes me believe that Iaquinta is INDEED a Trezeguet replacement, which makes me want to kill myself.

There's NOBODY in our team who's capable of playing their roles (maybe Nedved as he's the most complete player i've seen, could easily play like Drogba but his legs are not fresh anymore). So there's the difference between 4-3-3 and 4-5-1. Trust me, if Ronaldinho and Messi know a thing or two about defending, Barcelona would play 4-5-1 in a heartbeat, because that would definitely balance their strength and weaknesses in the midfield. You see nowadays barca is such a lightweight team because of their central midfield (and partly fullbacks too).
So, 4-5-1 is still my ideal situation with DP and Nedved switching roles oftenly to create chances along with camo and Tiago. Marchionni is the Camo sub and he perfectly fits into that category as well too. I can already see what's in Ranieri's mind and I think our success would solely depends on how efficient our target man is. If Trezeguet is set for another disappointed position, and iaquinta turns out to be a joke, this plan will 100% fail, or we just simply need to find a forward to can put the ball in the back of the net.

I agree somewhat, but I think Camoranesi could actually play that right forward role pretty well if he's allowed the freedom to roam around the 18. We have seen how lethal he can be around the box and if we just give him the freedom to roam he should be a capable player there.

If we have a solid midfield with the likes of Tiago and Zanetti who can defend, we should be able to use the 4-3-3. Almiron might not be a very good tackler but with Chiellini at left-back staying home and Del Piero on the left bringing the ball towards the touchline, things would be balanced out. It's all about balance and if you think about it, a team such as this is pretty well balanced:

Buffon

Zebina - Barzagli - Milito - Chiellini

Tiago - Zanetti - Almiron

Camoranesi - Trezeguet - Del Piero


Chiellini is the stay at home left-back with the more playmaking Almiron on the left, while Zebina can venture forward with Tiago who can do it all in midfield available to cover. Camoranesi can also come back when needed. I would really love to see how well this formation would work out because IMO it's indeed balanced.

 

[sateeh]

-----------------------------Buffon

Grygera-------Barzagli-------------Milito----------Chiellini

--------------------------Zanetti


-------------Almiron-------------Tiago


-----------------------Nedved


----------------Trezeguet----Del Piero


I think this is realistic and would work.

I would prefer a new DM rather than Zanetti and we may have to replace Trez as well but this would be a good starting point.

looks very good but i think its too narrow for my liking. Besides if your gonna play a diamond then you will need two strong full backs in attacks with precise crosses. Something like Milan have

 

[Red]

This is one of the best or already the best starting eleven I've seen lately. Even the small hint I wanted to add about Zanetti you said it.

There is another point here. Your central midfield is solid defensively and competent offensively, but what about our offensive abilities through both flanks? I think that Chiellini is better defensively, that's why I don't rely greatly on him when it comes to attacking. But I don't know if Grygera is that effective in attacking as well as in defending or not.

looks very good but i think its too narrow for my liking. Besides if your gonna play a diamond then you will need two strong full backs in attacks with precise crosses. Something like Milan have

I agree that the main weakness in my side is a lack of width.

Chiellini is very willing to get forward but is not the most technically gifted player around. Nedved rather than playing in the centre could drift out to the left flank to provide some width.

As for the right side Grygera is OK going forward from what I have seen but I'm not convinced of hs crossing ability. The main alternative (assuming Camo leaves) to give width on the right is Salihamidzic. He could be used either RB or RM depending on the strength of the opposition and is of course very good going forward.

 

[Dominic]

Camoranesi Tiago Almiron Nedved

.. A little unorthodox and risky(something which is befitting of Ranieri), but it could prove to be a very interesting and dynamic midfield. Whenever things get dicey and we want to add a little stability, throw in Zanetti.

It reminds me of Roma's midfield.

 

[Lion]

what about a 5-3-2?


-----------------------Buffon------

-------------Barzagli--Milito--Criscito
---Brazzo----------------------------------Nedved

----------------Nocerino/Zanetti----
-------------Tiago------------Almiron----------


------------Trez------Del Piero?

I'm not saying that this formation is right to use but what do peaople think of it? I realise that you need a strong defense and Criscito and Barzagli while decent, could be risky but it could kind of work out. This way we would have the width we need plus Both Brazzo and Nedved can back track and help the defense. Nocerino would stay back and protect the defense and flanks. Almiron will distribute the ball around and Tiago will be there to so as well and help in the attack and defense when needed.

 

[Azzurri7]

What then?

Put Neddy as a goalkeeper?

 

[Lion]

NO. But since you have nothing significant to contribute kindly STFU