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[V]

Samuel is a rock at CB, he's out of form now and mainly because he made two wrong career choices in a row, Real Madrid and Inter. If we were to get him I promise you we would have a new Cannavaro on our hands. Samuel is top class stuff, while at Roma he was one of the best CB's in the world. Not to mention he has tons of experience on pretty much all stages. I think this is more of a nationality issue for you, as you insist on Italian CB's and you said so yourself you don't like Argentian players. That's of course your opinion, one which you are entitled to as everyone else, but I believe you're 100% wrong in your Samuel estimation.

As for Hasan, we already dicsussed this, and I'm certain he won't be a rotation players, he will feauture in the first 11, nothing to do but wait I suppose.

 

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[tonykart]

Samuel is a rock at CB, he's out of form now and mainly because he made two wrong career choices in a row, Real Madrid and Inter. If we were to get him I promise you we would have a new Cannavaro on our hands. Samuel is top class stuff, while at Roma he was one of the best CB's in the world. Not to mention he has tons of experience on pretty much all stages. I think this is more of a nationality issue for you, as you insist on Italian CB's and you said so yourself you don't like Argentian players. That's of course your opinion, one which you are entitled to as everyone else, but I believe you're 100% wrong in your Samuel estimation.

As for Hasan, we already dicsussed this, and I'm certain he won't be a rotation players, he will feauture in the first 11, nothing to do but wait I suppose.

At least you attempted to be classy.

This has nothing to do with nationality. It has to do with the fact that I think Cannavaro is better, and Dainelli is cheaper. I wouldn't pick cheaper over class, but I don't beleive Samuel's class outweighs picking up a good player on a free transfer.

Salihamidizic will be in an out of the starting 11 as he should be. He is not a full time starter. He will share time with the majority of players locked into their positions. He is a utility player. There is a reason he has been in this role for so long. His versatility is why he is so valuable. It is ok to be a super sub.

 

[V]

At least you attempted to be classy.

This has nothing to do with nationality. It has to do with the fact that I think Cannavaro is better, and Dainelli is cheaper. I wouldn't pick cheaper over class, but I don't beleive Samuel's class outweighs picking up a good player on a free transfer.

Salihamidizic will be in an out of the starting 11 as he should be. He is not a full time starter. He will share time with the majority of players locked into their positions. He is a utility player. There is a reason he has been in this role for so long. His versatility is why he is so valuable. It is ok to be a super sub.

I'm always classy, thank you.

I think it has to do with the nationality, for the reasons I pointed out, but nevermind. I believe Samuel's class is unquestionable, especially when you consider the fact we get him pretty cheap, and this was a player that was sold to Real for no bag of peanuts, I can't remember how much but it was a big amount.

Hasan was that in Bayern, but not because he is not a full time starter but because he always had great competition in all his years at Bayern, all the way from Bassler to Scholl to Schweinsteiger. This won't be the case in this new Juventus, which lacks the quality and DEPTH we usually had and I don't think we're gonna fix that in just one season. Hasan was brought because he is class and can add something extra to the squad, quality and versatility, and of course he was free. I don't think we can say much on this subject anymore, as most has already been said.

 

[tonykart]

I'm always classy, thank you.

I think it has to do with the nationality, for the reasons I pointed out, but nevermind. I believe Samuel's class is unquestionable, especially when you consider the fact we get him pretty cheap, and this was a player that was sold to Real for no bag of peanuts, I can't remember how much but it was a big amount.

Hasan was that in Bayern, but not because he is not a full time starter but because he always had great competition in all his years at Bayern, all the way from Bassler to Scholl to Schweinsteiger. This won't be the case in this new Juventus, which lacks the quality and DEPTH we usually had and I don't think we're gonna fix that in just one season. Hasan was brought because he is class and can add something extra to the squad, quality and versatility, and of course he was free. I don't think we can say much on this subject anymore, as most has already been said.

Samuel is not bad. I would take him next to Barzagli anyday. It all depends on the price. How "cheap" is he?

That is a very good point in the last paragraph. Although, I certainly don't see him as a full time SB. To me, he is clearly a SM, with the ability to add an attacking dimension when the need calls at SB. I wouldn't want him there full time. At SM he will have Nedved and Camoranesi to compete with. Unless we move Nedved inside, I don't see a spot for him. However, he would work well at LM. RM, he would be decent. I like to see a speed guy out at RM in our current system.

 

[V]

I don't know certainly, but I figure Samuel is available for around 7,8 mil Euro.

 

[Marc]

I don´t doubt Samuel is a very good defender, but he really isn´t impressive for Inter. Cordoba, Materazzi and even Burdisso are having a better season, I don´t know if we can revive him, I hope we can.

And I must make Tony happy and declare that Barzagli is playing really good lately, he improved a lot and I am willing to have him in our squad, I just hope Milan, Roma or Inter don´t snap him infront of our eyes like they did already with Cannavaro, Nesta, Mexes, Chivu, etc,.... it would be pitty if we ended with players like Lucio, Legrottaglie, Boumsong in our squad. :frown:

 

[V]

I wouldn't mind having Barzagli or giving him a chance, but to buy him for Palermo's asking price is out of the question. They ask for 15-20mil! Sorry but he's not worth it, under 10mil I can live with. No Europe experience, played for small clubs his whole career, negligable International experience. He's talented and can become a great defender, but he's nowhere near his asking price.

 

[#10]

Samuel is not bad. I would take him next to Barzagli anyday. It all depends on the price. How "cheap" is he?

That is a very good point in the last paragraph. Although, I certainly don't see him as a full time SB. To me, he is clearly a SM, with the ability to add an attacking dimension when the need calls at SB. I wouldn't want him there full time. At SM he will have Nedved and Camoranesi to compete with. Unless we move Nedved inside, I don't see a spot for him. However, he would work well at LM. RM, he would be decent. I like to see a speed guy out at RM in our current system.

Think of it like this, Brazzo is a winger who can actually defend, that makes him an attractive option imho fo rthe left wing to allow Neddy move inside.

Brazzo, Neddy and Chiellini could be very effective combination in my opinion.

Shame about the Camo/Zebina right flank.

Regarding Samuel, he has been relatively poor since his Roma days. Cappello's ultra defensive tactics suited him as he didnt get caught short having to cover space like he had to at real and now at inter. He could be usefull for us depending on our style of play and the quality of the other CB.

 

[Marc]

Vlatko

I agree that he is not worth 20 million EURO-s, but if the price is at least 5 millions less I would take the risk and buy both Samuel and Barzagli. Barzagli has more playing years in front of him and he is yet to reach the peak. He could do us many favours in the future. He is no Nesta or Cannavaro, but he is close enough to Ciro Ferrara in his bets years. What do you think ?

 

[#10]

I wouldn't mind having Barzagli or giving him a chance, but to buy him for Palermo's asking price is out of the question. They ask for 15-20mil! Sorry but he's not worth it, under 10mil I can live with. No Europe experience, played for small clubs his whole career, negligable International experience. He's talented and can become a great defender, but he's nowhere near his asking price.

I dont think Barzagli should cost more than £10 mil. Zampa will take a couple of fringe players and some cash. He has been lucky to keep hold of Barzagli until now.

 

[V]

Vlatko

I agree that he is not worth 20 million EURO-s, but if the price is at least 5 millions less I would take the risk and buy both Samuel and Barzagli. Barzagli has more playing years in front of him and he is yet to reach the peak. He could do us many favours in the future. He is no Nesta or Cannavaro, but he is close enough to Ciro Ferrara in his bets years. What do you think ?

I'm all for giving him a shot, but for a reasonable price, which IMHO is not over 10mil Euro for a inexperienced 25 year old defender. I don't like Zamparini and I don't wanna do him any favours. Him and Samuel both I'd be perfectly ok with, though I would have prefered Metzelder and Samuel, cheaper and just as effective combination.

 

[V]

I dont think Barzagli should cost more than £10 mil. Zampa will take a couple of fringe players and some cash. He has been lucky to keep hold of Barzagli until now.

He's asking for close to 20mil Euro, which is about 14mil GBP. That's a little wild if you ask me.

 

[#10]

He's asking for close to 20mil Euro, which is about 14mil GBP. That's a little wild if you ask me.

His asking price isnt gonna be what he actually gets, im sure Zampa will be persuaded to accept a slightly lower fee.

Imho £10m is a lot for any player. But we will have huge competition from AC Milan and even binter in the summer, it will be midding war imho.

 

[Marc]

It will be a bidding war and that is why Zamparini asks a lot, cause he knows Inter and Milan can afford this money. I´m not sure if Juventus can follow them though, I hope Barzagli will pick us even if the offer and wage are smaller.

 

[V]

His asking price isnt gonna be what he actually gets, im sure Zampa will be persuaded to accept a slightly lower fee.

Imho £10m is a lot for any player. But we will have huge competition from AC Milan and even binter in the summer, it will be midding war imho.

True and true, 14mil is still a whole lotta money and I'm not sure Barzagli's worth it.

 

[#10]

True and true, 14mil is still a whole lotta money and I'm not sure Barzagli's worth it.

Not many young defenders of his potential calibre about. We have Dom Cris , but we need more.

If he was fully fit, id say Gonzo Rodriguez of Villareal could do the job. He would cost £10m again.

 

[JuveGER]

I like Tonys squad. It has quality and depth. I have a very similiar in mind. And I thing it's not too unrealistic. We could end up with a squad like that. I'm just not sure about Dainelli (since I don't know much about his quality) and Gilberto (too old, we have enough old players).

 

[Marc]

What do you guys think of Robert Huth ?

IMO he is tough, tall and strong, he would be available for a relatively cheap price and he has many years of football ahead of him. I would especially like to hear an opinion from you JuveGER cause you know all about German players....(and I must say that I appreciate your opinion a lot).

 

[Falafel]

What do you guys think of Robert Huth ?

IMO he is tough, tall and strong, he would be available for a relatively cheap price and he has many years of football ahead of him. I would especially like to hear an opinion from you JuveGER cause you know all about German players....(and I must say that I appreciate your opinion a lot).

Good idea

Btw, was he called up to the world cup?

 

[Marc]

Btw, was he called up to the world cup?